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Henri McPhee wrote:
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I agree that it looks like there was some kind of negotiations between the Ramsey lawyers at the time, Haddons, and the Boulder DA's office, and Boulder cops with regard to Ramsey police interviews in 1998.
I don't know about all the office politics about the matter or exactly why the Rasmeys were interviewed at that time. It could be something to do with the fact that the Grand Jury was about to happen.
Similarly, I don't know exactly why there was a Ramsey interview in Atlanta in 2000. All those police interviews were hostile interrogations, and must have been very long and stressful for the Ramseys.
It looks as though it was agreed for Patsy to be interviewed by the anti-Ramsey Denver detective, Tom Haney, to grill Patsy about things like the pineapple and flashlight, while the the intruder theory lawyer, Trip DeMuth, asked more sympathetic questions to Patsy.
John Ramsey was interviewed by Lou Smit and the 'Grand Jury specialist' Ramsey prosecutor Mike Kane in 1998, to balance it up.
I have always thought that Fleet White's pal, Spade, was one of Tom Haney's Denver police informants. Tom Haney seemed to be involved in the Ramsey case from the start for some reason. Lou Smit seemed to think Tom Haney is to be admired for some reason. Haney seemed pretty keen to get the innocent Ramseys convicted.
This is a reference to Tom Haney from Patsy on TV:
BARBARA WALTERS: Did either of you for a moment suspect .... each other?
JOHN RAMSEY: No.
PATSY RAMSEY: Not for a minute.
JOHN RAMSEY: Absolutely not for a microsecond.
PATSY RAMSEY: Tom Haney, who is the detective, homicide detective from Denver, asked me that very question in my three-day interrogation. After three days of listening to him hammer me, I said, don't even go there. If I thought for one moment that JonBenet Ramsey was murdered by her father, we wouldn't be having this interview right now.
It does bother me a bit, that Spade - Haney link, because i have to say that Haney does seem to be OK but Spade doesn't. Isn't Spade supposed to be RichardTalfey Jones and related to Nancy Krebs and said to have helped trash her?
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I don't know about the legality of only being allowed "one" interview. Is that a fact? In any event, he had plenty of access to Patsy and I am skeptical about the "one" interview allowed
If the reason for Smit questioning John was for what you have suggested, I would imagine it would be just as important for a lawyer to interview John, rather than a detective. After all, if they really believed it to be Patsy, John would be their #1 star witness and I don't think they would want to take chances on messing around with his testimony either.
Just my thoughts about that
Who knows Capricorn. I haven't a clue about the legalities of who can interview and how many interviews someone who hasn't been named as a suspect is required to give either. Plus we don't know what went on behind the scenes so all we can do is speculate. But it is all very intriguing

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<quoted text>Agreed, I don't think the boots point to BR or Helgoth anymore than they point to anyone else, they were too common a footwear, from hiking, to boating to just plain tennis shoes, and made for all ages and both male and female.
...and LE. The print comparison at Crimeshots leads me to agree with ST's assumption, accidental LE contamination...
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...and LE. The print comparison at Crimeshots leads me to agree with ST's assumption, accidental LE contamination...
I don't see why it has to be LE contamination Mama. If that type of boot was common at the time of the murder and it seems that it was, then it COULD have come from an intruder. Either way, it isn't a particularly useful piece of evidence. It identifies no-one, neither does it even point away from or towards an intruder. Why waste the time?

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aussiesheila wrote:
<quoted text>I don't see why it has to be LE contamination Mama. If that type of boot was common at the time of the murder and it seems that it was, then it COULD have come from an intruder. Either way, it isn't a particularly useful piece of evidence. It identifies no-one, neither does it even point away from or towards an intruder. Why waste the time?
That's my point. Although, I guess I didn't make that point here. It was the "Burden of Proof" thread. IMO, the print could NOT have been Burke's, but it could have been left by LE or by an "intruder". We may find out IF this case is ever resolved?... Boot=Moot.
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aussiesheila wrote:
<quoted text>It does bother me a bit, that Spade - Haney link, because i have to say that Haney does seem to be OK but Spade doesn't. Isn't Spade supposed to be RichardTalfey Jones and related to Nancy Krebs and said to have helped trash her?
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For those who seems to be hooked on BR's 'boots', perhaps you could go look at the variety of Hi-Tek shoes that are available and were available then. They don't make just hiking boots, they even make boating shoes, anyone you know connected to the case have a boat?

Also take into consideration the room it was found in, which held window screen, old paint cans, cigars, a case of wine, Christmas decorations, storage for Christmas decorations - a lot of traffic was in and out of that room, so Boot=moot is the real moot point. It could be any print from any person at any time.

I will agree it has nothing to do with the crime, and I believe some of you came up with the right answer but your process of getting there was wrong.

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For those who seems to be hooked on BR's 'boots', perhaps you could go look at the variety of Hi-Tek shoes that are available and were available then. They don't make just hiking boots, they even make boating shoes, anyone you know connected to the case have a boat?

Also take into consideration the room it was found in, which held window screen, old paint cans, cigars, a case of wine, Christmas decorations, storage for Christmas decorations - a lot of traffic was in and out of that room, so Boot=moot is the real moot point. It could be any print from any person at any time.

I will agree it has nothing to do with the crime, and I believe some of you came up with the right answer but your process of getting there was wrong.
Thanks for pointing that out. You need to realize that LE did a shoddy job in their attempt to connect Burke to the crime scene or to discount any intruder evidence. They did little research before deciding to inject this bit of false information into the Ramsey interrogations.

BTW, so many protest that the Rs lied/mislead/experienced "Ramnesia", etc. Does everyone realize that LE officers OFTEN lie/misrepresent facts/etc. during interrogations in an attempt to bait suspects? So, if we assume that this happened on occasion during the Ramseys' interviews, then wouldn't one expect a confused response? I am not sure the R's were always truthful, but I know LE was obviously not. The Burke's Hi-Tec shoes is a perfect example. It's too bad LE was unwilling to look at the evidence as it existed and ask REAL questions that might have elicited helpful responses. It's no wonder the R's "lawyered up" and hired their own PIs.

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