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DrSeussMd wrote:

Perhaps you missed this
http://www.shee-eire.com/Herbs,Trees&Fung...
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No, I didn't miss that. Shamanism is a part of many ancient cultures and is also practiced in modern times. Although most shamans follow similar paths, there are differences. I am looking at the total picture. Siberian shamanism gives the total picture, not Celtic.

do you have any proof that the McReynolds were shamans or are you speculating?

Well, you were the one who asked about the Celtic connection, after all.

The only problem here is that this has nothing to do with a child who was murdered. Interesting subject though, I'll give you that.

Georgie wrote:

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No, I didn't miss that. Shamanism is a part of many ancient cultures and is also practiced in modern times. Although most shamans follow similar paths, there are differences. I am looking at the total picture. Siberian shamanism gives the total picture, not Celtic.

DrSeussMd wrote:

Well, you were the one who asked about the Celtic connection, after all.
The only problem here is that this has nothing to do with a child who was murdered. Interesting subject though, I'll give you that.
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When and where did I do that? Do we now have to dis-sect the word "murdered"?

Here.

Georgie wrote:

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This has nothing to do with Celtic practice. Where did you come up with that from what I posted?

Chances are I don't need your help interpreting English, but I appreciate the offer.

Georgie wrote:

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When and where did I do that? Do we now have to dis-sect the word "murdered"?

DrSeussMd wrote:

Here.
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Chances are I don't need your help interpreting English, but I appreciate the offer.
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So you mis-understood my post. What I meant was I have not been posting anything about Celtic so I wondered where you got Celtic from anything I have posted. I have been posting about shamanism, Siberian shamanism, not Celtic shamanism.

Georgie wrote:

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This has nothing to do with Celtic practice. Where did you come up with that from what I posted? This is a practice of Siberian shamans then and now and the practice of Santa Claus the shaman as he journeyed with his "flying" reindeer. Fly agaric is alleged to be the only hallucinogenic mushroom that grows in Colorado and is also readily available on the Internet. It is most often taken, or given, in it's dry form. This would have caused JB to seizure and vomit and to be fearless. Residue was found on her face, which came from her mouth, IIRC. This has nothing whatsoever to do with my imagination. I have done the appropriate research. You should also do the same.

More "evidence" of the McR's use of Psychodelic drugs to enhance a trance is a poem written by Bill McReynolds. It's been a while since I've read it. If someone has it, maybe they would post it to this thread. The words of the "Simple Gifts" song the McReynolds used as their theme song is of a Shaker background. Shakers are also known to practice shamanism bringing themselves into induced trance-like states. There is a clear picture being formed in this case.

Georgie wrote:

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More "evidence" of the McR's use of Psychodelic drugs to enhance a trance is a poem written by Bill McReynolds. It's been a while since I've read it. If someone has it, maybe they would post it to this thread. The words of the "Simple Gifts" song the McReynolds used as their theme song is of a Shaker background. Shakers are also known to practice shamanism bringing themselves into induced trance-like states. There is a clear picture being formed in this case.

I found this in my files. The title of this poem is, "The Brain's Lament". Can this be the "song" you're talking about?

The Brain's Lament!

When your mind
goes round and round,
Who knows when
it stops what will be found?
It doesn't take
much to turn it about,
Pressure might begin
from a simple shout!
Oh, what few
of us must realize,
How easy our
brains might crystallize!!

Copyright @2007 Bill McReynolds

Wow, OS, I am amazed! Your file must be WAY thick. Yes, that is the poem I had read. Also, the Shaker song is "Simple Gifts".

Thanks a lot!

Georgie wrote:

Wow, OS, I am amazed! Your file must be WAY thick. Yes, that is the poem I had read. Also, the Shaker song is "Simple Gifts".
Thanks a lot!

It is. W-A-Y thick! I don't know which I have more of -- info on JMK or Santa Bill, LOL.

In fact, my family tells me if I'd get rid of some of the "junk" on my computer, it would be a whole lot faster, LOL.

But I found some more info that might be helpful. Try this:

"Simple Gifts"

'Tis the gift to be simple,'tis the gift to be free,
'Tis the gift to come down where we ought to be,
And when we find ourselves in the place just right,
'Twill be in the valley of love and delight.
When true simplicity is gain'd,
To bow and to bend we shan't be asham'd,
To turn, turn will be our delight,
Till by turning, turning we come round right.

We should ask ourselves, was that song a clue?

Here is some additional information about "Simple Gifts":
The song was also used in a film about a mentally disturbed child. The movie concerns Tarra, a troubled child, who develops a friendship with a grown man no more than a child himself. The film was made when the actual girl, on whose story the movie is based, turned seven. "Simple Gifts" went to Cannes Film Festival the spring of 1998.gl

Yes, the McR's theme song. Note the constant theme between poem and song. We could analyze them, but it's pretty easy to determine where "down" is. When Fly Agaric ( the little good luck Xmas mushrooms) are ingested, sometimes in tea, the partakers dance and spin round and round in psychedelic "freedom" trances on their journey to love and delight/paradise.

I've asked before but maybe you didn't see it

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that the McReynolds were Shamans or practicing any of the things you have described or is this just your opinion and speculation

Just would like to be clear about this.

TIA

Capricorn wrote:

I've asked before but maybe you didn't see it
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that the McReynolds were Shamans or practicing any of the things you have described or is this just your opinion and speculation
Just would like to be clear about this.
TIA

Yes. I posted Cynthia's web page. I gave you the name of Tristan's shaman. I have given umpteen examples of everything the McReynolds have done and said. Really, there is no question. Everything about the crime, from the RN on down, gives clear evidence of their shamanistic paths.

Georgie wrote:

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Yes. I posted Cynthia's web page. I gave you the name of Tristan's shaman. I have given umpteen examples of everything the McReynolds have done and said. Really, there is no question. Everything about the crime, from the RN on down, gives clear evidence of their shamanistic paths.

So basically, it is your opinion and speculation based on someone's web page, someone ELSE's shaman and your interpretation of everything Bill and Janet have said and done. It is not clear evidence, but you are entitled to speculate and opine based on that as is your right

I just want to be clear that you don't KNOW for a fact that they are/were Shaman, but it is your opinion that they were on "shamanistic" paths, without actually being Shamans as a known fact

You have every right to believe all that, but you should present it as your belief and not as a fact that is to be accepted by anyone other than yourself. People can make their own decision on whether or not you presented enough evidence to interpret it as you have

It's not nice to assume that your theory, and it is a theory, is the correct one for others to believe. You should just present your opinion and interpretation and allow others to make their own decisions and draw their own conclusions

That's the right thing to do

Also, just so you know, I said the above for your own sake. As you know, your opinions about the McReynolds are pretty judgmental and before the IDI and others start beating you up about passing judgement on others, I thought I should warn you that you should be aware that "judging others" is not accepted by many on the forum

I guess you may not see that wrath because you aren't judging a Ramsey, but if they aren't hypocrites, I'm sure you'll see some scolding soon.

It comes with the territory, but we'll see if you receive what the RDI's receive; you may be exempt

Capricorn wrote:

Also, just so you know, I said the above for your own sake. As you know, your opinions about the McReynolds are pretty judgmental and before the IDI and others start beating you up about passing judgement on others, I thought I should warn you that you should be aware that "judging others" is not accepted by many on the forum
I guess you may not see that wrath because you aren't judging a Ramsey, but if they aren't hypocrites, I'm sure you'll see some scolding soon.
It comes with the territory, but we'll see if you receive what the RDI's receive; you may be exempt

Unless you believe that shamans and those who follow a shamanistic path are bad or evil, then you shouldn't think that I am being "judgmental". What is, is, and is not necessarily bad or evil. Shamanism has a different belief system than most others and they look at life and death differently. So what? But, just like in all walks of life, there are extremists. The McReynolds have made it quite clear they are extremists, period! They have made it clear and are proud of it! Do they have some things to hide? Absolutely! Have they lied throughout this investigation, yes! Do they believe they have lied, probably not. Do they believe what they did was for the greater good, so they think.

And fwiw, I don't respond to poster wrath. I don't give it either.

Not to worry Georgie; it seems you won't be incurring any poster wrath; judgemental about the McReynolds or not. You are obvioulsy one of the posters who won't receive the wrath of posters who would criticize your inferences about the McReynolds and their involvement in this crime. It isn't a Ramsey :)

Maybe the others who don't like that sort of thing just aren't posting today or they could just be hypocrites

Either way, you are in the clear