What does the Pineapple Digestion Timeline suggest?

From learnin:
"I have been a medical imaging technologist for 40 years. During this time, I have watched at least 1,000 stomachs empty.

As soon as liquid or solid substance lands into an empty stomach, peristalsis begins and wave after wave of muscle contraction begins pushing material through the duodenal cap into the duodenum of the small intestine.

The only time this would not happen is in the event of an obstruction, gastritis, bowel paralysis due to trauma or other sickness, etc.

Jonbenet's G.I. tract was not compromised by gastritis, obstruction or paralyisis. We know this because the little girl's upper G.I. tract was empty except for several pieces of UNDIGESTED pineapple. Her gastrointestinal tract was operating quite efficiently.

This little girl had an empty stomach when she bit into the pineapple. The flavor of the pineapple would have caused saliva to be secreted and peristalsis to begin.

My experience tells me that those pieces of pineapple (no more than they were), would have been going into the small intestine within 10 minutes.

"I believe the first blow was struck no later than 30 minutes after she ate the pineapple."

I'm not an expert in this field, but I personally know experts in this field. They would agree with your statement.

What can be ascertained from your last statement:
"I believe the first blow was struck no later than 30 minutes after she ate the pineapple."
For discussion sake assume it is a fact.

It's good to see someone actually interested in the case.

Tootlems, it means she knew the person who attacked her and went with him or her willingly.

I personally believe the pineapple and tea were on the table in the afternoon and JB just grabbed a few pieces out of the bowl that night.

Of course, I could be wrong and BR could have fixed the pineapple and tea after they came home. He liked tea and he liked pineapple some and he would have just left the dishes on the table for someone else to clean up.

One point is puzzling to me, though. The pineapple was on the breakfast room table. That is not on the route from JB's bedroom to the basement.

AjaMinor wrote:

It's good to see someone actually interested in the case.
Tootlems, it means she knew the person who attacked her and went with him or her willingly.
I personally believe the pineapple and tea were on the table in the afternoon and JB just grabbed a few pieces out of the bowl that night.
Of course, I could be wrong and BR could have fixed the pineapple and tea after they came home. He liked tea and he liked pineapple some and he would have just left the dishes on the table for someone else to clean up.
One point is puzzling to me, though. The pineapple was on the breakfast room table. That is not on the route from JB's bedroom to the basement.

Deb said she heard the pineapple and iced had been sourced. I would like to know more about that.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that the police lied about pineapple being in JB's intestines just to try to get John or Patsy to say JB was awake when she came home from the Whites'. If that's the case, it didn't work because John and Patsy say she was asleep. The fact that she was wearing the white shirt with the silver star on it and all that jewelry seem to indicate the Ramseys are telling the truth. If they'd given JB pineapple, they'd have gotten rid of it had they been guilty of harming her.

I've never heard the pineapple and tea had been sourced. We'll have to wait on Deb for that information.

AjaMinor wrote:

It's not out of the realm of possibility that the police lied about pineapple being in JB's intestines just to try to get John or Patsy to say JB was awake when she came home from the Whites'. If that's the case, it didn't work because John and Patsy say she was asleep. The fact that she was wearing the white shirt with the silver star on it and all that jewelry seem to indicate the Ramseys are telling the truth. If they'd given JB pineapple, they'd have gotten rid of it had they been guilty of harming her.
I've never heard the pineapple and tea had been sourced. We'll have to wait on Deb for that information.

They wouldn't have gotten rid of it if they forgot about it during all of the chaos that must have been going on. It's also possible that they didn't know that it would come back to haunt them. They were not into "true crime" like we are. Or maybe they didn't know that JB had eaten any of it. Burke could have gotten it out. At any rate, they could not admit to anything regarding the pineapple without being busted for lying about JB being asleep.

How do you know they weren’t into true crime, TWWO? Why do you think I am? I’m not. Just a few cases, but not true crime in general. If there is one thing I think the Ramseys would have remembered to get rid of had they been guilty, it would have been the bowl of pineapple. JMO, of course. I do not have proof.

tootlems wrote:

From learnin:
"I have been a medical imaging technologist for 40 years. During this time, I have watched at least 1,000 stomachs empty.
As soon as liquid or solid substance lands into an empty stomach, peristalsis begins and wave after wave of muscle contraction begins pushing material through the duodenal cap into the duodenum of the small intestine.
The only time this would not happen is in the event of an obstruction, gastritis, bowel paralysis due to trauma or other sickness, etc.
Jonbenet's G.I. tract was not compromised by gastritis, obstruction or paralyisis. We know this because the little girl's upper G.I. tract was empty except for several pieces of UNDIGESTED pineapple. Her gastrointestinal tract was operating quite efficiently.
This little girl had an empty stomach when she bit into the pineapple. The flavor of the pineapple would have caused saliva to be secreted and peristalsis to begin.
My experience tells me that those pieces of pineapple (no more than they were), would have been going into the small intestine within 10 minutes.
"I believe the first blow was struck no later than 30 minutes after she ate the pineapple."
I'm not an expert in this field, but I personally know experts in this field. They would agree with your statement.
What can be ascertained from your last statement:
"I believe the first blow was struck no later than 30 minutes after she ate the pineapple."
For discussion sake assume it is a fact.

I believe it means she knew her killer.

AjaMinor wrote:

It's not out of the realm of possibility that the police lied about pineapple being in JB's intestines just to try to get John or Patsy to say JB was awake when she came home from the Whites'. If that's the case, it didn't work because John and Patsy say she was asleep. The fact that she was wearing the white shirt with the silver star on it and all that jewelry seem to indicate the Ramseys are telling the truth. If they'd given JB pineapple, they'd have gotten rid of it had they been guilty of harming her.
I've never heard the pineapple and tea had been sourced. We'll have to wait on Deb for that information.

By what means was the stomach contents and bowl contents identified as pineapple?

Georgie wrote:

<quoted text>By what means was the stomach contents and bowl contents identified as pineapple?

Visual observation, I believe. The weird thing is, LE alluded to pineapple also being in a Tupperware dish in some little sack by the doorway in JB's room. It was in a PR transcript I recently read. I thought that was bizarre...

Mama2JML wrote:

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Visual observation, I believe. The weird thing is, LE alluded to pineapple also being in a Tupperware dish in some little sack by the doorway in JB's room. It was in a PR transcript I recently read. I thought that was bizarre...

I never read or heard about a tupperware bowl near JonBenet's doorway. IIRC, the bowl of food that was observed on the dining room table was never taken as evidence and the stomach contents were not tested. Is there a possibility the stomach contents were kept? I doubt it. Pineapple aside, I believe the viscous matter found at autopsy was Fly Agaric. This would have caused JB to vomit and evidence of vomit was found on JonBenet. If post mortem urine had been tested for Fly Agaric, it would have tested positive. If she urinated after ingestion but before death, that urine would also have tested positive.

Lou Smit used to publicly refer to pineapple and the tupperware in various references. It could be he was working out for himself an explanation for the supposed pineapple in JonBenet's body. I don't think Lou Smit ever came up with any real proof about the tupperware matter.

This is a bit of gossip about the tupperware matter from the Steve Thomas book. This has to be taken with a grain of salt as usual:

"ST Page 192

"Our experts studied the pineapple in the stomach and reported that it was fresh-cut pineapple, consistent down to the rind with what had been found in the bowl. It was solid proof that it wasn't canned pineapple, and what were the chances that an intruder would have brought in a fresh pineapple to cut up for his victim?

At lunch we had our sandwiches at that table while trying to convince Lou Smit of the connection between the mother's fingerprints on the bowl and the pineapple remains found in the child's body. He countered that a crime scene photo showed a Tupperware container in a - paper sack in JonBenet's bedroom, and he believed the contents of that plastic bowl might have been pineapple.

Maybe she got up during the night and ate the pineapple in her

ST Page 193

room, he said, giving us an unlikely alternative. The Tupperware container, never seized, was long gone, and the grainy photo on which he relied was totally inconclusive. I thought the material could have been popcorn, maybe beads, certainly not unrefrigerated pineapple. Perhaps, Smit argued, if she knew the intruder, he might have fed her. "Maybe Santa," he ventured."

Georgie wrote:

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I never read or heard about a tupperware bowl near JonBenet's doorway. IIRC, the bowl of food that was observed on the dining room table was never taken as evidence and the stomach contents were not tested. Is there a possibility the stomach contents were kept? I doubt it. Pineapple aside, I believe the viscous matter found at autopsy was Fly Agaric. This would have caused JB to vomit and evidence of vomit was found on JonBenet. If post mortem urine had been tested for Fly Agaric, it would have tested positive. If she urinated after ingestion but before death, that urine would also have tested positive.

The stomach contents were tested as well as the pineapple taken from the Ramsey home and it was a match, all the way to the rind

Please provide a source that shows there was evidence of vomit found on JonBenet

AjaMinor wrote:

I personally believe the pineapple and tea were on the table in the afternoon and JB just grabbed a few pieces out of the bowl that night.

One point is puzzling to me, though. The pineapple was on the breakfast room table. That is not on the route from JB's bedroom to the basement.

I agree with your first statement. Also, I find the location of the bowl puzzling. I do not think a perp would have been comfortable enough to sit down in the breakfast room and feed JB a snack before torturing her. This is one of the more incriminating pieces of evidence against the Rs, IMO. JR and PR claimed to have no recollection of the pineapple being served, nor does PR claim to remember buying and preparing the fresh pineapple. Someone is lying or VERY forgetful OR the perp was unafraid of being caught? None of the scenarios make a bit of logical sense to me.

Mama2JML wrote:

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I agree with your first statement. Also, I find the location of the bowl puzzling. I do not think a perp would have been comfortable enough to sit down in the breakfast room and feed JB a snack before torturing her. This is one of the more incriminating pieces of evidence against the Rs, IMO. JR and PR claimed to have no recollection of the pineapple being served, nor does PR claim to remember buying and preparing the fresh pineapple. Someone is lying or VERY forgetful OR the perp was unafraid of being caught? None of the scenarios make a bit of logical sense to me.

If you think in terms of FWDI (or was involved) the puzzle pieces fit together. Fleet or Priscilla could have fed her some pineapple shortly before the Ramseys left to go home and the killer could have taken the rest of the pineapple to the R's house, transferred it into one of their bowls and placed it on the breakfast room table.

It's not as far-fetched as it sounds. The killer would have known at autopsy would be done, the pineapple discovered in her GI tract and obviously the Ramseys would deny knowing anything about it. What better way to make them look like liars who had something to hide?

Do you have a source for anything you said in this post? There are the obvious misstatements like the pineapple wasn't tested, but Fly Agaric? Are you kidding? Just because you read somewhere that is part of a Celtic practice, you are now stating it as a fact in this case? This is how the imagination of some people with an agenda (in this case you and the McSantas) spin their own version of the case facts.

Georgie wrote:

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I never read or heard about a tupperware bowl near JonBenet's doorway. IIRC, the bowl of food that was observed on the dining room table was never taken as evidence and the stomach contents were not tested. Is there a possibility the stomach contents were kept? I doubt it. Pineapple aside, I believe the viscous matter found at autopsy was Fly Agaric. This would have caused JB to vomit and evidence of vomit was found on JonBenet. If post mortem urine had been tested for Fly Agaric, it would have tested positive. If she urinated after ingestion but before death, that urine would also have tested positive.

Mama2JML wrote:

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I agree with your first statement. Also, I find the location of the bowl puzzling. I do not think a perp would have been comfortable enough to sit down in the breakfast room and feed JB a snack before torturing her. This is one of the more incriminating pieces of evidence against the Rs, IMO. JR and PR claimed to have no recollection of the pineapple being served, nor does PR claim to remember buying and preparing the fresh pineapple. Someone is lying or VERY forgetful OR the perp was unafraid of being caught? None of the scenarios make a bit of logical sense to me.

I cannot agree that anyone would have sat down and "fed" JB anything. A six-year-old IMO would balk at being fed something. That's why I believe it far more likely, especially considering the odd utensils used and the tea bag in the glass, that JB herself and possibly Burke, too, were solely responsible for the snack. And that's why I believe it was possible that if she was very friendly with and knew the person who awakened her and came downstairs with her, that she would have "served" the snack to this person, pretending he was her guest.

Or, it could have been that JB and Burke were up and about and decided to have a snack. JMO

DrSeussMd wrote:

Do you have a source for anything you said in this post? There are the obvious misstatements like the pineapple wasn't tested, but Fly Agaric? Are you kidding? Just because you read somewhere that is part of a Celtic practice, you are now stating it as a fact in this case? This is how the imagination of some people with an agenda (in this case you and the McSantas) spin their own version of the case facts.
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This has nothing to do with Celtic practice. Where did you come up with that from what I posted? This is a practice of Siberian shamans then and now and the practice of Santa Claus the shaman as he journeyed with his "flying" reindeer. Fly agaric is alleged to be the only hallucinogenic mushroom that grows in Colorado and is also readily available on the Internet. It is most often taken, or given, in it's dry form. This would have caused JB to seizure and vomit and to be fearless. Residue was found on her face, which came from her mouth, IIRC. This has nothing whatsoever to do with my imagination. I have done the appropriate research. You should also do the same.

Barium alone is rarely used in GI studies. The preparations have additives to speed the flow of crap up so it can be photographed for assessment. It would be dangerous and impractical to see digestion in real time; it’s a slow process. The parallax error of timing is ingrained in evaluations so much so it’s irrelevant.

Perhaps you missed this

http://www.shee-eire.com/Herbs,Trees&Fung...

Georgie wrote:

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This has nothing to do with Celtic practice. Where did you come up with that from what I posted? You should also do the same.

Lynette 22 wrote:

<quoted text>....It's not as far-fetched as it sounds.

Yeah, it is...it's even more far fetched than it sounds

...The killer would have known at autopsy would be done, the pineapple discovered in her GI tract and obviously the Ramseys would deny knowing anything about it. What better way to make them look like liars who had something to hide?

Yeah, you are right. That is a real stupendous idea about the pineapple to make the Ramseys look guilty, instead of the other bazillion ways they could have achieved that without having to steal the pineapple from one house to the other and then also have to make sure that the prints belonging to Patsy and Burke were on there too. Great skilled murderer/s they were; thinking ahead