The Whites...

Have they ever shared their theory of what might have happened?

Mama2JML wrote:

Have they ever shared their theory of what might have happened?

No, now go away.

BrotherMoon wrote:

<quoted text>No, now go away.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend your sensibility....or lack thereof. Why don't you skip my posts entirely, since you don't seem to have any interest in answering my questions? Thanks and goodnight, brotherloon.

Mama2JML wrote:

Have they ever shared their theory of what might have happened?

No, in fact, they have been careful to have all their depositions sealed in order to protect what they have told authorities.

I personally believe they did this for one or two reasons (or possibly, both).

I believe they want to be able to testify in court without their testimony being challenged because of their statements having been hashed over the Internet.

Or, they did not want to be the ones to point their fingers, publicly, at the Ramseys. They preferred to sit back and let the Ramseys do all the talking and finger-pointing.

Thank you!

Ole South wrote:

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No, in fact, they have been careful to have all their depositions sealed in order to protect what they have told authorities.
I personally believe they did this for one or two reasons (or possibly, both).
I believe they want to be able to testify in court without their testimony being challenged because of their statements having been hashed over the Internet.
Or, they did not want to be the ones to point their fingers, publicly, at the Ramseys. They preferred to sit back and let the Ramseys do all the talking and finger-pointing.

Mama2JML wrote:

Thank you! <quoted text>

You should go to websleuths, they don't know anyting about the case either.

Hello wrote:

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The question is "what are YOU doing here?"
Mama opened the thread, if you dont like her then what in the hell are you doing here?
Hater!
I guess that lovely post of yours makes YOU a SPAMMER too!!
Your just another hater brothermoon.

You deserve to be hated, ergo I do a good thing in hating you.

Mama2JML wrote:

Thank you! <quoted text>

It is inappropriate to thank someone that gets their information via remote viewing.

Mama2JML wrote:

Have they ever shared their theory of what might have happened?

Good question. According to Lin Wood, White gave NOTHING but favorable, positive testimony about the Ramseys in the deposition he is covering up. Steve Thomas DID NOT get any pro-Ramsey feelings from Fleet White however. From Steve Thomas's deposition:

From ST's depo:

22 Q. Has Fleet White ever made any

23 statement to you about his opinion on who

24 killed JonBenet Ramsey?

25 A. Mr. White has always been very

286

1 careful with his language around me, as is

2 his wife and I don't know that I could sit

3 here and say today that he has come out and

4 made a declaration as to who he believes

5 killed JonBenet Ramsey.

I don't know that I could sit

3 here and say today that he has come out and

4 made a declaration as to who he believes

5 killed JonBenet Ramsey. But the tone and

6 inferences of some of these conversations made

7 it fairly clear to me.

8 Q. You think you understood from the

9 tone and inferences what he was trying to say

10 but not saying directly; is that your

11 testimony?

12 A. I think I believe that I know who

13 Fleet has in mind as the offender in this

14 case.

So it's anyone's guess. Fleet White is a huge wild card in this case, IMO.

There is a bit anout this matter in the Ramsey DOI book:

"Five days later, and just two days after Steve Thomas's resignation, Fleet White - the friend who had been with me when I found JonBenet's body on December 26, 1996 - sent a fourteen-page, rambling letter to "the people of Colorado" and to Governor Roy Romer, asking him to remove District Attorney Alex Hunter from JonBenet's case. White claimed that various relationships between the Boulder County district attorney and the legal community (our attorneys, specifically) may have impaired the objectivity of the DA. He also cited the atmosphere of distrust and noncooperation between the district attorney and the Boulder police. Finally, he said that Hunter had been criticized in the past for not being an aggressive prosecutor of homicide cases.
A few people spoke out about this letter. For instance, in an interview with the Boulder Daily Camera, Colorado University Professor of Legal Ethics Dan Vigil said the relationship between Hunter and our attorneys, mentioned in White's letter, was inconsequential because "in a legal community this size, people are going to interact."

Then, on August 20 Governor Romer's spokesman, Jim Carpenter said that the governor saw nothing in Fleet White's letter that would lead him to change his mind.

Fleet White had tried to get Romer to replace Hunter on December 18, 1997, and when his request was rejected, White had sent an earlier letter to the Boulder Daily Camera, making many of the same allegations as his present letter.

Why was White so adamant about ousting District Attorney Alex Hunter? Chuck Green had given one theory in a Denver Post article back on January 16. "Her death and the year-long investigation had become a daily obsession for the Whites, according to friends," Green said, "and they are determined to follow every twist and turn to its conclusion. It was primarily that preoccupation with the murder case that caused them to ask Governor Roy Romer to personally intervene with the investigation by replacing Boulder District Attorney with a special prosecutor. But there was a lingering animosity toward Hunter's office, sources said, that helped fuel the Whites' anger."

Green went on to explain that in the summer of 1997 the Whites had asked to be "publicly cleared as potential suspects in the case, demanding that Police Chief Tom Koby issue a statement of exoneration." The DA had advised the police "to limit the statement to the current status of their case." White, Green's sources said, resented this.

Still, Fleet White's protests continued. On Monday, August 24, White wrote another letter to "the people of Colorado," this time suggesting that Lt. Governor Gail Schoettler had influenced the governor's decision. White said that Schoettler's husband had made several telephone calls to me [John Ramsey] in the days after JonBenet's murder. Yes, he had, although I never received any of them. As a former fraternity brother at Michigan State University, Don Stevens (Schoettler's husband) had called to offer his condolences and to inquire about funeral arrangements.

Lt. Governor Gail Schoettler replied to this accusation in an interview with the Boulder Daily Camera, "The governor and I have never discussed this case," she said.

The Whites were apparently trying to show that the Democratic "family" had somehow closed ranks to protect us. It was absurd and a bit mad. Plus, I was never an active Democrat.

On August 20, 1998, the Whites commented to a Camera staff reporter, "The district attorney and the Ramsey attorneys have simutaneously rebuked the police for 'focusing' their investigation on the Ramseys in fact the police were simply following evidence."

The innuendo here was obvious. Why had our former friend turned against us?"

candy wrote:

<quoted text>Good question. According to Lin Wood, White gave NOTHING but favorable, positive testimony about the Ramseys in the deposition he is covering up. Steve Thomas DID NOT get any pro-Ramsey feelings from Fleet White however. From Steve Thomas's deposition:

From ST's depo:

22 Q. Has Fleet White ever made any

23 statement to you about his opinion on who

24 killed JonBenet Ramsey?

25 A. Mr. White has always been very

286

1 careful with his language around me, as is

2 his wife and I don't know that I could sit

3 here and say today that he has come out and

4 made a declaration as to who he believes

5 killed JonBenet Ramsey.

I don't know that I could sit

3 here and say today that he has come out and

4 made a declaration as to who he believes

5 killed JonBenet Ramsey. But the tone and

6 inferences of some of these conversations made

7 it fairly clear to me.

8 Q. You think you understood from the

9 tone and inferences what he was trying to say

10 but not saying directly; is that your

11 testimony?

12 A. I think I believe that I know who

13 Fleet has in mind as the offender in this

14 case.

So it's anyone's guess. Fleet White is a huge wild card in this case, IMO.

Yes, I agree. I believe he knows more than he's willing to share. All we can do is speculate, I guess. Thanks for posting!

Henri McPhee wrote:

There is a bit anout this matter in the Ramsey DOI book:

"Five days later, and just two days after Steve Thomas's resignation, Fleet White - the friend who had been with me when I found JonBenet's body on December 26, 1996 - sent a fourteen-page, rambling letter to "the people of Colorado" and to Governor Roy Romer, asking him to remove District Attorney Alex Hunter from JonBenet's case. White claimed that various relationships between the Boulder County district attorney and the legal community (our attorneys, specifically) may have impaired the objectivity of the DA. He also cited the atmosphere of distrust and noncooperation between the district attorney and the Boulder police. Finally, he said that Hunter had been criticized in the past for not being an aggressive prosecutor of homicide cases.
A few people spoke out about this letter. For instance, in an interview with the Boulder Daily Camera, Colorado University Professor of Legal Ethics Dan Vigil said the relationship between Hunter and our attorneys, mentioned in White's letter, was inconsequential because "in a legal community this size, people are going to interact."

Then, on August 20 Governor Romer's spokesman, Jim Carpenter said that the governor saw nothing in Fleet White's letter that would lead him to change his mind.

Fleet White had tried to get Romer to replace Hunter on December 18, 1997, and when his request was rejected, White had sent an earlier letter to the Boulder Daily Camera, making many of the same allegations as his present letter.

Why was White so adamant about ousting District Attorney Alex Hunter? Chuck Green had given one theory in a Denver Post article back on January 16. "Her death and the year-long investigation had become a daily obsession for the Whites, according to friends," Green said, "and they are determined to follow every twist and turn to its conclusion. It was primarily that preoccupation with the murder case that caused them to ask Governor Roy Romer to personally intervene with the investigation by replacing Boulder District Attorney with a special prosecutor. But there was a lingering animosity toward Hunter's office, sources said, that helped fuel the Whites' anger."

Green went on to explain that in the summer of 1997 the Whites had asked to be "publicly cleared as potential suspects in the case, demanding that Police Chief Tom Koby issue a statement of exoneration." The DA had advised the police "to limit the statement to the current status of their case." White, Green's sources said, resented this.

Still, Fleet White's protests continued. On Monday, August 24, White wrote another letter to "the people of Colorado," this time suggesting that Lt. Governor Gail Schoettler had influenced the governor's decision. White said that Schoettler's husband had made several telephone calls to me [John Ramsey] in the days after JonBenet's murder. Yes, he had, although I never received any of them. As a former fraternity brother at Michigan State University, Don Stevens (Schoettler's husband) had called to offer his condolences and to inquire about funeral arrangements.

Lt. Governor Gail Schoettler replied to this accusation in an interview with the Boulder Daily Camera, "The governor and I have never discussed this case," she said.

The Whites were apparently trying to show that the Democratic "family" had somehow closed ranks to protect us. It was absurd and a bit mad. Plus, I was never an active Democrat.

On August 20, 1998, the Whites commented to a Camera staff reporter, "The district attorney and the Ramsey attorneys have simutaneously rebuked the police for 'focusing' their investigation on the Ramseys in fact the police were simply following evidence."

The innuendo here was obvious. Why had our former friend turned against us?"

Good question. Unless he knows something the rest of us are not privy to... Thanks for sharing!

Fleet White and a few select others know what FW has felt, thought and observed during that morning and since. He has never gone public with good reason. He saved what he had to say for the police and probably lived with hope that he would be called to testify at a murder trial that has never happened

FW has a lot of info and secrets that I personally would love to hear, but we won't. I also believe that other "friends" of the Ramseys know some secrets as well, but have never, nor ever will come forward after seeing what happened to the Whites for speaking out for justice

Capricorn wrote:

Fleet White and a few select others know what FW has felt, thought and observed during that morning and since. He has never gone public with good reason. He saved what he had to say for the police and probably lived with hope that he would be called to testify at a murder trial that has never happened

FW has a lot of info and secrets that I personally would love to hear, but we won't. I also believe that other "friends" of the Ramseys know some secrets as well, but have never, nor ever will come forward after seeing what happened to the Whites for speaking out for justice

Unfortunately, I believe you are likely correct. Thanks, Cap.:o) Good morning!

candy wrote:

<quoted text>
Good question. According to Lin Wood, White gave NOTHING but favorable, positive testimony about the Ramseys in the deposition he is covering up. Steve Thomas DID NOT get any pro-Ramsey feelings from Fleet White however. From Steve Thomas's deposition:
From ST's depo:
22 Q. Has Fleet White ever made any
23 statement to you about his opinion on who
24 killed JonBenet Ramsey?
25 A. Mr. White has always been very
286
1 careful with his language around me, as is
2 his wife and I don't know that I could sit
3 here and say today that he has come out and
4 made a declaration as to who he believes
5 killed JonBenet Ramsey.
I don't know that I could sit
3 here and say today that he has come out and
4 made a declaration as to who he believes
5 killed JonBenet Ramsey. But the tone and
6 inferences of some of these conversations made
7 it fairly clear to me.
8 Q. You think you understood from the
9 tone and inferences what he was trying to say
10 but not saying directly; is that your
11 testimony?
12 A. I think I believe that I know who
13 Fleet has in mind as the offender in this
14 case.
So it's anyone's guess. Fleet White is a huge wild card in this case, IMO.

Sounds to me as though Fleet was playing his cards very carefully. In his deposition, he said not one unfavourable word about the Ramseys, probably because he hadn't anything justifiably bad to say.

Behind the scenes during his visits with Steve Thomas it was clearly a very different story. What was discussed during those visits was never recorded in Thomas' police reports, so those conversations are open to speculation. But there is something decidedly fishy about a newfound friendship between a detective in an open murder investigation and a DA's suspect. IMO Fleet wanted to fish out information from the inexperienced and gullible ST while at the same time planting ideas into his head.

FW and PW are also "key witnesses" and not suspects. There is probably good reason to have their depositions sealed, at least a judge thought so.

Then there was Jameson at the swamp who posted parts of it and was ordered to take it down. Begs the question how she got her grubby little hands on it, doesn't it?

Capricorn wrote:

Fleet White and a few select others know what FW has felt, thought and observed during that morning and since. He has never gone public with good reason. He saved what he had to say for the police and probably lived with hope that he would be called to testify at a murder trial that has never happened
FW has a lot of info and secrets that I personally would love to hear, but we won't. I also believe that other "friends" of the Ramseys know some secrets as well, but have never, nor ever will come forward after seeing what happened to the Whites for speaking out for justice

DrSeussMd wrote:

FW and PW are also "key witnesses" and not suspects. There is probably good reason to have their depositions sealed, at least a judge thought so.
Then there was Jameson at the swamp who posted parts of it and was ordered to take it down. Begs the question how she got her grubby little hands on it, doesn't it?
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It also begs the question, or at least it should that if so many have questions about FW's 'relationship' with ST, why don't they question Hunter's relationship with Haddon? Why don't they question the conflict of interest that was considering they were also business partners in real estate, having a cozy breakfast together every morning?

Wouldn't you all think that there was something terribly "wrong" with that relationship?

LOL, first you say he didn't say anything unfavoUrable, yet it was sealed and you really have no idea what he did or did not say. Then you move on to say his conversations with Thomas were CLEARLY DIFFERENT, and yet again you don't know what those conversations said either, so you have no way to know if they were the same, or different.

Lynette 22 wrote:

<quoted text>Sounds to me as though Fleet was playing his cards very carefully. In his deposition, he said not one unfavourable word about the Ramseys, probably because he hadn't anything justifiably bad to say.
Behind the scenes during his visits with Steve Thomas it was clearly a very different story. What was discussed during those visits was never recorded in Thomas' police reports, so those conversations are open to speculation. But there is something decidedly fishy about a newfound friendship between a detective in an open murder investigation and a DA's suspect. IMO Fleet wanted to fish out information from the inexperienced and gullible ST while at the same time planting ideas into his head.

DrSeussMd wrote:

FW and PW are also "key witnesses" and not suspects. There is probably good reason to have their depositions sealed, at least a judge thought so.
Then there was Jameson at the swamp who posted parts of it and was ordered to take it down. Begs the question how she got her grubby little hands on it, doesn't it?
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As for Jameson, one has to wonder how she got her grubby little hands on lots of things

We know Smit was feeding her too, which was less than professional!

Not to mention Shapiro and Hunter, and yet the gullible wonder where the leaks came from. It is pretty obvious they just want to slam the same old people over and over - because they think they can!

Capricorn wrote:

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It also begs the question, or at least it should that if so many have questions about FW's 'relationship' with ST, why don't they question Hunter's relationship with Haddon? Why don't they question the conflict of interest that was considering they were also business partners in real estate, having a cozy breakfast together every morning?
Wouldn't you all think that there was something terribly "wrong" with that relationship?