"You will WITHDRAW $118,000.00 dollars from your ACCOUNT"

I think "Under the Radar" makes some good points, and I'm not sure that I disagree. I too suspect the Santa and his wife because the events pointed out in a prior post are too similar to be coincidental. There was at least one event in Boulder after the murder that was similar--a little girl in Jon Benet's dance class. That makes me think the killer was someone who either saw the pagents, or the dance school performances.

John Ramsey is one of the biggest cheapskates on the planet. Looking for bargain coach faires for his kids while he flies in a private jet? From accepting free funeral services for JonBenet to stories of JonBenet worrying about dropped sequins from her dresses to Patsy hiding shopping bags.

IMO The sum of $118,000 was picked purposely because that was an amount he would have access to without penalties for early withdrawl. It was true bonus money and not earmarked or deposited in Money Market account or any particular investment.

jahazafat wrote:

John Ramsey is one of the biggest cheapskates on the planet. Looking for bargain coach faires for his kids while he flies in a private jet? From accepting free funeral services for JonBenet to stories of JonBenet worrying about dropped sequins from her dresses to Patsy hiding shopping bags.
IMO The sum of $118,000 was picked purposely because that was an amount he would have access to without penalties for early withdrawl. It was true bonus money and not earmarked or deposited in Money Market account or any particular investment.

I never thought about that... I hadn't heard that he was perceived as a being a cheapskate by anyone before... I know they use to pay for the vacations their friends went on with them and such...
I do believe they are innocent, but that is a very good point and one I can't argue.... Do you know where I can find the info. on this?.... Thanks......

jahazafat wrote:

John Ramsey is one of the biggest cheapskates on the planet. Looking for bargain coach faires for his kids while he flies in a private jet?

It was't because of a worry over money that his kids flew into Minnesota. It was time line for the trip. He didn't want to have to drive to Denver then fly to MI, MN was on his way to MI that is why he was flying there to meet him.

Grandmother of two wrote:

I think "Under the Radar" makes some good points, and I'm not sure that I disagree. I too suspect the Santa and his wife because the events pointed out in a prior post are too similar to be coincidental. There was at least one event in Boulder after the murder that was similar--a little girl in Jon Benet's dance class. That makes me think the killer was someone who either saw the pagents, or the dance school performances.

When where who how? any link ?

1. Does anyone happen to know what the Ramseys' insurance situation was ? Life insurance on JonBenet, for example ?

2. I find it puzzling that the Ramseys financial situation deteriorated so quickly after the murder. Surely they had investments of some kind ?

3. When I read the published copy of the note, it seemed to me that the writer was trying to be mocking and ironic. It struck me as the product of an adolescent mind.

4. The sum of money demanded is very odd. Why not $120,000.$250,000 or more ? The peson who wrote it must have had access to the Ramseys' bank account/s.
When was the household garbage collected before the Christmas holiday?

Just some random questions which crossed my mind.

Inquisitive UK wrote:

1. Does anyone happen to know what the Ramseys' insurance situation was ? Life insurance on JonBenet, for example ?
2. I find it puzzling that the Ramseys financial situation deteriorated so quickly after the murder. Surely they had investments of some kind ?
3. When I read the published copy of the note, it seemed to me that the writer was trying to be mocking and ironic. It struck me as the product of an adolescent mind.
4. The sum of money demanded is very odd. Why not $120,000.$250,000 or more ? The peson who wrote it must have had access to the Ramseys' bank account/s.
When was the household garbage collected before the Christmas holiday?
Just some random questions which crossed my mind.

where in uk are u?

ok, so if I read what I'm about to write, I would think..."take your meds now and go to bed loony.", butI'm going to write it anyway. Up until two years ago, I knew nothing on the case of JBR except of her murder and the subsequent chaos that ensued directly after her death, but I had never heard at any point who the other possible suspects were except for the family. However, as soon as I did learn of her death the day it hit the media, my immediate, immediate thought was, "I'll bet the guy who played the santa did it." Now I didn't even know that there had actually been one at their home.I even theorized that he'd come and waited until everyone was asleep and perhaps before the alarms were set, I even had dreams about it and it was beyond creepy but I felt like an idiot saying anything and didn't. I knew nothing about the case and about the true evidence. Then two years ago I watched the lifetime movie about the case and for the first time heard the Santa was mentioned and even listed by the Ramsey's as one of five possible people they'd considered. My entire life, once in a great while, I've had these feelings, and though each time it was something that had nothing to do with the last, this was one of those feelings. I'd even said things he may have done long before I knew that they felt she'd been stun gunned, possible fed (pinneapple) in order to bribe her to come down stairs with him, then because of his heart, had to hit her with something over the head, maybe he even tried to carry her but dropped her, hence the head injury, and I also felt he probably dragged her, something I found out later also, that they say had taken place in a particular area of the home. I know he's dead now (and btw, who moves and feels all sorry for themselves because it is suggested they could be the murderer of a little girl? I mean it wouldn't be good, but still, to move??? it wasn't that big of a deal or the whole world would have made something of his moving!), so does anyone know if a dna test has been performed against his? exhumed his body? If not, why the hell not? I have no problem being wrong ever, but I can't stand not knowing when I feel so strongly about things as I do this.

Melissa wrote:

ok, so if I read what I'm about to write, I would think..."take your meds now and go to bed loony.", butI'm going to write it anyway. Up until two years ago, I knew nothing on the case of JBR except of her murder and the subsequent chaos that ensued directly after her death, but I had never heard at any point who the other possible suspects were except for the family. However, as soon as I did learn of her death the day it hit the media, my immediate, immediate thought was, "I'll bet the guy who played the santa did it." Now I didn't even know that there had actually been one at their home.I even theorized that he'd come and waited until everyone was asleep and perhaps before the alarms were set, I even had dreams about it and it was beyond creepy but I felt like an idiot saying anything and didn't. I knew nothing about the case and about the true evidence. Then two years ago I watched the lifetime movie about the case and for the first time heard the Santa was mentioned and even listed by the Ramsey's as one of five possible people they'd considered. My entire life, once in a great while, I've had these feelings, and though each time it was something that had nothing to do with the last, this was one of those feelings. I'd even said things he may have done long before I knew that they felt she'd been stun gunned, possible fed (pinneapple) in order to bribe her to come down stairs with him, then because of his heart, had to hit her with something over the head, maybe he even tried to carry her but dropped her, hence the head injury, and I also felt he probably dragged her, something I found out later also, that they say had taken place in a particular area of the home. I know he's dead now (and btw, who moves and feels all sorry for themselves because it is suggested they could be the murderer of a little girl? I mean it wouldn't be good, but still, to move??? it wasn't that big of a deal or the whole world would have made something of his moving!), so does anyone know if a dna test has been performed against his? exhumed his body? If not, why the hell not? I have no problem being wrong ever, but I can't stand not knowing when I feel so strongly about things as I do this.

Many other posters have much more knowledge about the case than I do, but "Santa" (Bill McReynolds, in this case) was invesigated and cleared. He and his wife (who, spookily, was a writer who either wrote or was going to write something about a murder -- sorry, I forget the details)had an alibi, plus he had undergone surgery just days before JonBenet's death, if memory serves. Something else spooky was that JonBenet had told someone that she was going to have another secret visit from "Santa" AFTER Christmas (!), and she was adamant about this even though the person she told attempted to correct her.

Anyway, to repeat, I'm writing from memory, so if anyone else has anything to correct or add to this post, I would appreciate it, as the mystery about JonBenet's "secret visit from Santa" has always bothered me.

Anyway, Melissa, if you want to read up on the case beyond just the basic facts, read the books by Steve Thomas and Lawrence Schiller. Although Steve Thomas makes no secret that he firmly believes that Patsy did it (and, to be honest, that's my opinion, too), there's lots of basic detail in his book. Ditto for Schiller's.(And although Schiller doesn't outright accuse Patsy, I got the definite feeling that he also thought she was guilty.)

Melissa wrote:

Then two years ago I watched the lifetime movie about the case and for the first time heard the Santa was mentioned and even listed by the Ramsey's as one of five possible people they'd considered. My entire life, once in a great while, I've had these feelings, and though each time it was something that had nothing to do with the last, this was one of those feelings. I'd even said things he may have done long before I knew that they felt she'd been stun gunned, possible fed (pinneapple) in order to bribe her to come down stairs with him, then because of his heart, had to hit her with something over the head, maybe he even tried to carry her but dropped her, hence the head injury, and I also felt he probably dragged her, something I found out later also, that they say had taken place in a particular area of the home. I know he's dead now (and btw, who moves and feels all sorry for themselves because it is suggested they could be the murderer of a little girl? I mean it wouldn't be good, but still, to move??? it wasn't that big of a deal or the whole world would have made something of his moving!), so does anyone know if a dna test has been performed against his? exhumed his body? If not, why the hell not? I have no problem being wrong ever, but I can't stand not knowing when I feel so strongly about things as I do this.

I don't think you're loony at all Melissa. We DO sometimes get these powerful "feelings" about certain things and very often we're proved right.

Bill McReynolds was one of the DA's top three suspects at one time together with Fleet White and Chris Wolfe and not without reason.

Some believe he was just an eccentric old man, others find him "creepy". He did provide a DNA sample which didn't match, but Steve Thomas described his handwriting as "questionable" and his alibi was his wife, so IMO it wasn't watertight.

He wasn't too weak and frail to have been involved in this crime as an accomplice if not the actual killer, as he'd had his heart surgery four months before the murder (if my memory serves me correctly) and was obviously sufficiently recovered to be playing the role of Santa at Christmas parties that year. I don't believe the fibres of his Santa suit were ever tested to see if they matched the red fibres at the crime scene.

Patsy wasn't planning to have a Christmas party in 1996, but did so at McReynolds' request as he told her a film crew wanted to film him in his role as Santa. Some have questioned his true motivation. Was it perhaps to see JB again so that he could promise her a secret visit from Santa after Christmas and also to re-familiarize himself with the layout of the house? We can only speculate.

What is not speculation, was that at JB's memorial service, he described a conversation he'd once had with JB, asking her where she would be when she was no longer "here". He taught her to say she'd be in Santa's heart. Many mourners felt creeped out by that comment. He also had a harp on which he'd carved the names of dead children he'd known and saved a place on it for JB's name. Don't you find that weird?

JB adored Santa Bill and had he woken her up with the promise of a belated Christmas present in the basement, I believe she'd have accompanied him down without hesitation.

whocares811 wrote:

<quoted text> Anyway, Melissa, if you want to read up on the case beyond just the basic facts, read the books by Steve Thomas and Lawrence Schiller. Although Steve Thomas makes no secret that he firmly believes that Patsy did it (and, to be honest, that's my opinion, too), there's lots of basic detail in his book. Ditto for Schiller's.(And although Schiller doesn't outright accuse Patsy, I got the definite feeling that he also thought she was guilty.)

I would also recommend she read the Ramseys own book, "Death of Innocence".

I also highly recommend reading DOI, especially after reading the others

Hopefully you can stand the nausea :)

Coincidentally...I just ordered those three books mentioned by the posters...can't wait to read them. I've followed almost all threads and find them interesting with the exception of those that sling throw instead of share insight into this murder. Although I have my thoughts on who was involved in this murder I think reading the books will give me more info.

Lynette 22 wrote:

I don't think you're loony at all Melissa. We DO sometimes get these powerful "feelings" about certain things and very often we're proved right.

Bill McReynolds was one of the DA's top three suspects at one time together with Fleet White and Chris Wolfe and not without reason.

Some believe he was just an eccentric old man, others find him "creepy". He did provide a DNA sample which didn't match, but Steve Thomas described his handwriting as "questionable" and his alibi was his wife, so IMO it wasn't watertight.

He wasn't too weak and frail to have been involved in this crime as an accomplice if not the actual killer, as he'd had his heart surgery four months before the murder (if my memory serves me correctly) and was obviously sufficiently recovered to be playing the role of Santa at Christmas parties that year. I don't believe the fibres of his Santa suit were ever tested to see if they matched the red fibres at the crime scene.

Patsy wasn't planning to have a Christmas party in 1996, but did so at McReynolds' request as he told her a film crew wanted to film him in his role as Santa. Some have questioned his true motivation. Was it perhaps to see JB again so that he could promise her a secret visit from Santa after Christmas and also to re-familiarize himself with the layout of the house? We can only speculate.

What is not speculation, was that at JB's memorial service, he described a conversation he'd once had with JB, asking her where she would be when she was no longer "here". He taught her to say she'd be in Santa's heart. Many mourners felt creeped out by that comment. He also had a harp on which he'd carved the names of dead children he'd known and saved a place on it for JB's name. Don't you find that weird?

JB adored Santa Bill and had he woken her up with the promise of a belated Christmas present in the basement, I believe she'd have accompanied him down without hesitation.

Ditto everything you said. I'm not sure any of the previous suspects can be eliminated. Lots of eery coincidences when looking at the SDI side of things. I've read that his DNA check was inconclusive, b/c of errors made or something. Can't recall all the details, but wouldn't LE get a second sample of his DNA?

Santa's DNA was not inconclusive. It was NOT a match. You need to be careful about where you read and how credible your sources are

It's one thing to have the SDI theory, but the fact is, is that his DNA did not match.

Just trying to keep the facts straight

However, once again, if you have an official source that it was inconclusive, I'd like to see it

As far as I know, in this case, the only things that were "inconclusive" were the first few polygraphs the Ramseys paid for

Capricorn wrote:

Santa's DNA was not inconclusive. It was NOT a match. You need to be careful about where you read and how credible your sources are

It's one thing to have the SDI theory, but the fact is, is that his DNA did not match.

Just trying to keep the facts straight

However, once again, if you have an official source that it was inconclusive, I'd like to see it

As far as I know, in this case, the only things that were "inconclusive" were the first few polygraphs the Ramseys paid for

I don't have an official source. Have DNA test results been made public? I'm not sure unmatched DNA can exonerate anyone, nonetheless.

It's been posted several times. If you go to Acandyrose's website you will find a lot of information there, including the documents with the list of people whose DNA was tested. You will find both the McReynolds there as well as many others.

Capricorn wrote:

It's been posted several times. If you go to Acandyrose's website you will find a lot of information there, including the documents with the list of people whose DNA was tested. You will find both the McReynolds there as well as many others.

These are the documents with blacked out portions, correct? LE has not officially released the info on specific individuals, right? What about this DNA-X? What are your thoughts on it?

Mama2JML wrote:

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These are the documents with blacked out portions, correct? LE has not officially released the info on specific individuals, right? What about this DNA-X? What are your thoughts on it?

The authorities have not found a match to the mystery DNA and they have tested all the people on the list. I would consider that the people on the list, including Santa, etc did not match or they wouldn't say they didn't find a match.

As for DNA-X, etc., I leave DNA science to the scientists and for me, if the scientists who know, won't say that the DNA cannot be transfer, then that's good enough for me. Nobody has been able to come up with a scientist in the field who is willing to state that the DNA belongs to the killer and no other explanation can be made for it

So for now, I don't think much or study DNA. I leave that to the experts. When they release the full report, I'll have more to say about it, but that isn't going to happen any time soon

There was a TV screen capture of some names of Ramsey case DNA tests blacked out on the internet.

The DNA- X is still a mystery and it has never been made public. I think it is not on the body or clothes of JonBenet.

There is background information to all this Ramsey case DNA on the Miss Marple website:

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/1168...