Thanks for posting this Candy.By Jeff Shapiro:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/12/26/my-...
My Search for JonBenet's killer - A 15 year retrospective
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3 A very interesting article. I will have to take a lot of it with a grain of salt, knowing the role Shapiro played in the case, I think he can be placing more positive importance on his involvement than he actually merits. He did however restate something I had remembered that took place but couldn't source, and that was this: "One summer day in 1997 I sat beside the Ramseys in church only a few months after JonBenet’s passing. At one point, the reverend, Rol Hoverstock put his hand on John’s shoulder and compassionately whispered to him,“You’re a good man, John. I know you didn’t do this.” "Minutes later, when he walked by Patsy sitting alone in an empty pew, the two made eye contact, but instead of greeting her as he did John, he angrily looked away and drifted right past her. That stunned me." I said then and I'll repeat it now: This incident, if true, made me disrespect Hoverstock as a minister. He might as well have held a sign over his head with an arrow pointing to Patsy. And I believe that had Patsy been sitting alone in an empty pew, we would have heard about it from sources other than Jeff Shapiro. It's hard for me to believe a minister would be so blatant in his actions toward a parishioner. With this in mind, I have to look at Shapiro's entire article with questions -- questions of whether he has an agenda and had one from the beginning. |
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1 You see? Eventually everyone will catch up to ME! |
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1 His biggest deduction was some relationship with $118,000.00 and a bible veris #118--15 years to come up with that? |
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1 Thanks candy. You are doing a wonderful job of adding to topix being the number one site on the Ramsey case which it is because I post here. |
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1 And what ties it all together is the fact that she did it DELIBERATELY. LE like everyone else except me has trouble going there. |
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3 I believe the RDI's seem to forget all the evidence in the crime scene that there were others inside the house that night. I found this elsewhere and copied it. I believe it is some good food for thought to those who believe Patsy did this horrible thing to her baby. o Aunt Pam stated there were two perpetrators, and she knows who they are; o there was foreign DNA on JonBenet; o the handwriting in the ransom note cannot be positively identified; o a single earring found at the curbing in front of the house went unclaimed; o Burke was 9 and therefore not culpable, so a Ramsey coverup seemed unnecessary unless it was to coverup for someone 10 or older. If I put my mind to it, I could add significantly to this list, but I think this should suffice to show that there is indeed reason to believe that an intruder or intruders committed the crime. H-m-m.. I wonder why Auntie Pam would make such a comment? Even more, I wonder if investigators have even asked her who these two perpetrators are and how/why she knows who they are... |
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2 **When and where did "Aunt Pam" say such a thing? Have you got a source for that? **The earring could very well have no relation to the "murder." **Whether Burke was "culpable" or not is a moot point. Had it gotten out that he had killed his sister (and whatever else he may have been doing with her), it would have put a stigma on him for the rest of his life.(And it WOULD have gotten out.) Make no mistake about that. The Ramseys would have had EVERY reason to cover for him. IMO |
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3 If Aunt Pam knew who the two perps were/are, why in the world wouldn't she tell the police who they were? Knowing your theory, why in the world would Aunt Pam cover for him? How would anyone know that Aunt Pam could be trusted with that secret? Wouldn't they want to shut her up? If she knows who "they" are, and hasn't told anyone, then she is just as guilty. I'm sure she was asked and she probably just told them any BS, saying that she was just speaking loudly trying to scare "them" into confessing. I have no doubt that she was asked and her answer was typical Ramsey/Paugh double speak without an answer The foreign DNA is meaningless until it is matched and there is no way to date the DNA and despite the myriad of discussion about the matter, there also is no way of knowing if the Mystery DNA is in ADDITION to other Ramsey DNA, which would be quite telling if it is there, and IMO it is not only there, but it's not all Patsy's either. Any Ramsey DNA that may be there would have to be the result of 'transfer', therefore ANY DNA that is there could be the result of transfer. A double edged sword The handwriting on the note, as yet formally unidentified will never be a smoking gun. For every expert that says ----- wrote it, there will always be two more that says they didn't so it is meaningless on its own without other factors in addition to it I don't know much about any earring found and even if there was, it is also meaningless. Stray earrings, etc. can be found most anywhere and it doesn't mean it has a negative reason for being there or that any murder occurred closeby. It's a red herring IMO and again, I either have forgotten, or didn't know about a stray earring As for Burke, his parents would have to know the law and even if not criminally culpable for a crime, the STATE would still step in and make sure he was put someplace for therapy and psychiatric help. There is no way the Ramseys would chance that and no way would the Ramseys have him removed and placed in a "place" for disturbed kids and have that follow him around for life. Colorado would have had an impossible time to get him back which is why they immediately rushed him out of state and why they threatened to take him out of the country. Once he was in Georgia, Colorado would have no more control over him. So no, he wouldn't go to jail, but they wouldn't just brush it off, shrug their shoulders, close the case, and let it go either. All my opinion |
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Good luck with that making a dent. Other readers should benefit but not her. Did you tune into Tricia's big shew? |
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1 Strange that you would say this about the only person on the forum who backed up and agrees with your theory of JonBenet having been strung up! Doesn't say much for your speculation about JB and the wrist cords, does it? OR for YOU as a person... |
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1 Like I said, that list was copied from elsewhere. I'm not certain, but IIRC, it was BlueCrab who posted it. Be that as it may, I didn't say I agreed with the list. As a matter of fact, I agree with most of what YOU said. Sorry to have put you to so much trouble, but I just tossed that out there to see what kind of responses it would evoke. And as you should know, I'm not completely opposed to your theory about Burke. I AM convinced that the Ramseys covered for one of two of their children, and Burke is my second choice. JMO I'd really like to know the interactions of that family now. If either of them should be guilty, and if any one of the family knows ANYTHING, how the rest of the family interacts with them. I wouldn't be surprised if some day, someone decides to open up. It must weigh heavily on the mind of any of them who know what really happened. Again, JMO. |
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2 It's not a matter of making a dent anywhere or with anyone BM. I don't expect after all this time to try and convince anyone to believe what I believe. If I found 1000 people who believe as I do, what good would it do anyway? There are a million theories out there, mine is one of them, yours is another and everyone has one, some more believable than others If there were millions of people who believed as I do, it doesn't do anything for a little girl who has never received justice. It isn't a matter of "the more, the closer to justice" we get. It is in the hands of the BPD and the crime scene was ruined and the rest of the case was just handled poorly and there will never be an end to the case. It will forever be a cold case and there will forever be speculation about "who dunnit" with some believing as I do, some believing it was Patsy, John, FW, etc., etc. There will never be an end to the discussion and the theories. I can no more PROVE my theory than you can PROVE yours. We can speculate and believe whatever we like. It doesn't make any of them right and we will just never know. We can personally "know" what is in our own head and heart, but none of us will ever really KNOW. I try and answer points by giving my opinion and perspective on why I agree or disagree but it is never my intention to convert anyone or make a dent. I will point out misinformation and give reasons why I disagree with talking points of my own and if it makes a dent, fine. If it doesn't, that is fine too And no, I didn't hear the show....yet. I will when I find some time to listen, but I didn't tune in at the time. No matter what I hear on it, or what I agree with, the fact that it is still being discussed is a good thing. You never know what can be found out, even these many years later. It can't hurt to keep the case out there. There is still a little girl who will always and only be remembered as a six year old, who never had a chance to grow up, who lies in a cold grave, never having received justice. That is a fact that nobody can dispute. It's the only thing that really matters no matter what anyone's theory is |
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1 You turn so many 180s you are bound to hit the truth sometimes.:) |
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1 I'd be willing to bet that the family interactions are quite stilted and that nobody will ever tell. I would be shocked if anyone ever opened up about that night. Given the many things and testimony, interviews, etc. that have happened along the way, some of them paid interviews, etc. anyone who might "open up" might be facing some legal issues if they didn't "open up" sooner or at the time, so I doubt we'll have any revelations from anyone related to the Ramseys or anyone who has already given testimony or statements |
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1 One of the most beautiful, insightful, and topical posts I've ever read. Right on the mark, Cappie, IMO. |
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1 I wasn't suggesting that you agreed with the list, but lists like that have been thrown around for a long time and I answered the listings with my thoughts. It was a good list to throw out for discussion, so thought I would address it I understand who you think is responsible and while I don't agree for reasons already discussed, I don't agree or think that the Ramseys would put themselves through what they did for anyone other than Burke, but that's just my opinion |
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1 Thanks OS. I meant every word. It doesn't matter who thinks alike on the case in the long run. It's up to the authorities to determine what happened and I don't think that will ever happen officially |
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1 I know that all any of us can do, based upon the limited evidence we have to make any kind of determination, is to theorize on what actually took place. But we DO have observations and knowledge of the players and from what we've learned and observed about those players, it has helped us see a little into who they really are or appear to be to each of us. And from things I've delved into and my observations, I CAN see Patsy and John, both, putting themselves into a position of covering for someone other than Burke. They had no way of knowing all the ramifications their decision would bring forth. They couldn't have foreseen the focus of so many others on Burke, seeing him as the culprit. That never occurred to them. I don't believe for a moment their decision was made lightly. I won't go into any more detail, but I believe and it's my opinion, both Patsy and John were probably up all that night, pondering and going over what had happened and how it could best be handled. All this while living the agony of losing their beloved child and having learned WHY this terrible tragedy happened. They HAD to find a way to explain everything in such a way that would shield the family from being exposed to the humiliation and shame of what had happened while at the same time trying to find a way to do what they could to help their child -- a child whose life could be ruined by the horrible events of that night. They made a decision to cover for him in order to give him a chance for a normal life. In their state of mind, there was no way they could foresee all the ramifications of that decision, but at the time, they thought they were doing what was best for all concerned. So, in response to your feeling that "I don't agree or think that the Ramseys would put themselves through what they did for anyone other than Burke", I believe they not only WOULD but they DID. I believe they sacrificed everything to try to save ALL their family and especially their remaining children from the public humiliation that would have marked each of them forever. But I know there can be any number of theories and explanations for this horrible crime and each of us probably has his own. And they are certainly entitled to have their own. I don't aspire to be right; in fact, I hope I'm wrong. The ONE thing that I feel really certain about is that Patsy and John DID cover-up some aspect of the crime. So, my question is WHY? |
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