who was the real killer

Henrietta McPhee wrote:

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I have always believed the murderer changed JonBenet's panties and went off with them and put on those oversized panties in order to avoid forensic, or DNA detection. I reckon there would have been more than one or two blood spots to be DNA tested with the original panties she was wearing. Don't mention that theory to Jameson though because she disagrees with my theory about that.
I have spoken to my doctor brother and he says it's "unlikely" that JonBenet would have urinated after being murdered. He has never heard of it. Can anybody explain to me though how urine stains prove JonBenet was murdered in the basement? The longjohns could surely have been stained just prior to the murder or at the time of the murder at a different location to the basement, or am I being a bit thick about this matter?

Autumn wrote:

Even if he didn't use it himself. I'm pretty sure he wasn't alone on the lake or where he docked his boat... Somebody he associated with may have used it. After all, He is the one who said right from the beginning that it had to be an inside job. Of course what I think I would do in the same situation doesn't prove anything one way or another. However, I stand by my opinion that John Ramsey as the captain of his own boat should be able to recognize that type of sailing knot if he saw it and I still think it is very possible that he could also know how to tie it. Do you have any idea what John's position was when he was in the Navy? I'd really like to research his military training. I don't think the urine stain proves she was murdered in the basement either, I just think that option is a reasonable assumption based on where the majority of items related to her death were found. I do believe that the killer took her down there while she was alive and that is why I feel that the suitcase was left under the window in case somebody woke up while he was down there and he needed to escape quickly. The sound of metal scraping heard by neighbors could have been him testing his escape route and in doing so he could have left the mark on the wall and brought the items found in the wine cellar that originated in the window well back in with him. Once he was in that basement. The window would have been his only escape route if someone woke up and came into the basement looking for JonBenet. Most likely he would have heard them calling for her and walking around above him searching for her before that happened. You wouldn't find me in that basement by myself in the middle of the night at 28 let alone if I was six. So it would have been the last place as a parent that I would have thought to look for my child who I would have assumed had just woken up in the middle of the night. That house was huge. The parents searching the first and second floors for her would have given him plenty of time to get out of that window and run off into the night, before they even thought about looking down there. Here's another question for you. John said there was a chair in front of the train room door. Did Fleet ever mention it, because if he was in that room before John that morning he would have had to be the one who put it there right?

deb wrote:

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I agree with you that the Ramsey's are either not too bright and have bad memories, or they are hiding things. There are so many incidents that reflect this:
Never woke up Burke to see if he heard any noises or people talking, or heard JonBenet
During police questioning, Patsy stated that she never asked for updates in the investigation
John not knowing ANYTHING about knots - what guy that like to sail with any intelligence wouldn't learn or want to learn knot tying - don't they teach that in Boy Scouts? Wouldn't he say who he might know that does know a lot about knot tying?
He never told the police about the van in the alley
Why, if John was gone a lot, wouldn't you have a alarm set if you were home alone in a huge house?
Why would you put a child in a bedroom with a balcony?
All the answers to police questions were mostly uh huh, or uh uh or I don't remember. You would think they would want give a little more info.
They truly seem as though they are not too bright.
I bet Fleet knew how to tie knots.

JACK wrote:

Miss Marple these web sites are full of information.I'm Impressed with your knowledge of this case how long have you been doing Research on this case.I hope you keep posting on this forum maybe you can provide valuable information that will help all of us.by the way is the wiki your web site?Whats your position at this site?

WHY BOTHER wrote:

<quoted text>Would Lou prefer that I emailed it or that I send it to the 303 23rd Street Colorado Springs Colorado 80904 address?? It`s kinda lengthy.

Miss Marple wrote:

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I don't want to imply I know Lou or anyone else in this case. All those e-mail addresses are in the Karr-Tracey emails and hence now are part of the public record. My guess is that any hard copy you send has a better chance of being read than a lengthy e-mail attachment since the latter would be easy to just delete if he's inundated with this sort of stuff.
Best wishes,
Miss Marple

JACK wrote:

Seems everone has a Theory,thats good stick to your guns.But remember one thing it has to be proven.talk is cheap.Does anyone know anything about a guy named "Pasta" Jay ELowsky?Has he been tested for DNA?Has the Police cleared him as a suspect.Was he a suspect?I hope we stay hot on the trail of all these people we are talking about in our posts.some of you sure have thin skin.In other words you like to print posts and expect everyone to agree with you thats not going to happen.be careful what you say it may come back to make you look really bad. and you will have no creditability on this Forum.

JACK wrote:

Seems everone has a Theory,thats good stick to your guns.But remember one thing it has to be proven.talk is cheap.Does anyone know anything about a guy named "Pasta" Jay ELowsky?Has he been tested for DNA?Has the Police cleared him as a suspect.Was he a suspect?I hope we stay hot on the trail of all these people we are talking about in our posts.some of you sure have thin skin.In other words you like to print posts and expect everyone to agree with you thats not going to happen.be careful what you say it may come back to make you look really bad. and you will have no creditability on this Forum.

JACK wrote:

Seems everone has a Theory,thats good stick to your guns.But remember one thing it has to be proven.talk is cheap.Does anyone know anything about a guy named "Pasta" Jay ELowsky?Has he been tested for DNA?Has the Police cleared him as a suspect.Was he a suspect?I hope we stay hot on the trail of all these people we are talking about in our posts.some of you sure have thin skin.In other words you like to print posts and expect everyone to agree with you thats not going to happen.be careful what you say it may come back to make you look really bad. and you will have no creditability on this Forum.

Henrietta McPhee wrote:

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Pasta Jay does get mentioned from time to time on the JonBenet forums, like the gardener and the Barnhill son, and people like the Prophet. From what I can deduce John Ramsey had invested some of his own money in the Pasta Jay restaurant. The relationship always seemed to be amicable.
The Ramseys appear to have gone to Pasta Jay's for meals from time to time. I think the Ramseys were there that evening of Christmas Eve. I need to check out that matter.
I think the Ramseys stayed with Pasta Jay for a short time after the murder. Pasta Jay was very protective of the Ramseys then, when the media were getting a bit too intrusive for the Ramseys. There was some gossip on the forums in the past that Pasta Jay once decorated his restaurant with barbie dolls. I don't personally consider that particularly sinister.
I think Pasta Jay has had a colorful past including convictions for assault in America. I need to be a bit careful what I say here because it may not be accurate. There never has been any suggestion of pedophilia, or child porn photos with regard to Pasta Jay, which has been strongly suspected with some of the other suspects in the Ramsey case.
I honestly don't know if his DNA is in the case files. As I have said before I think the Boulder police were only interested in Ramsey DNA. When Ramsey DNA proved negative I believe the Boulder cops tried to downplay the forensic significance of the DNA in the Ramsey case.
I think I read quite recently that Pasta Jay's restaurant no longer exists in Boulder, or it has new owners. I may be wrong about that.

JACK wrote:

This gives us four people now on the who done it list-Gary,Merrick,Elowsky,Whit e.anyone want to add others to this list?we need to make a top ten list and focus on them.we may not even have ten that's ok.If any of the above has been cleared let me know.unless someone has been DNA tested,etc.or police has removed them.they stay on the list.Autumn I agree with you it all about JBR.what else really matters.she is the one who needs our help.

nancy drew wrote:

Fleet White lacked the strength? Where did you get that from???

Dan in Detroit wrote:

<quoted text>Looking at Fleet`s picture that I saw and considering his age, I couldn`t see how he could possibly exert 300# of force to crack that skull. How tall is Fleet and what does Fleet weigh?