who was the real killer

So she thought he resembled JR. Lots of persons resemble each other. She didn't say it was definitely UJ, did she?

Kimberly wrote:

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Mame showed NK a picture of JR. It was the R's wedding photo where they're both maxed out in plaid and JR had a beard. NK said, "he looks like Uncle Johnny!"...the rest is history. Ask Mame!

Logan wrote:

For one who was falsely accused, Fleet didn't raise too much of a protest. I'd sue someone who did that to me.<quoted text>

The same could be said for John Ramsey who didn't raise any objections either. And he sued everyone!

Patricia Fox wrote:

<quoted text>That is the whole point right there. You can't pick and choose what part of Krebs story you choose to believe and which you disregard. I don't believe either one abused her. So how can you continue to paint FW guilty but not JR?

NK also claimed she'd never heard about the JBR case until she saw Lee Hill on tv. It doesn't make sense now, and it didn't make sense back then. The ENTIRE world heard of JBR by the time she reared her head!
What really makes no sense is if her therapist had years and years of notes on FW et al, why SHE didn't go to police or urge NK to do something THEN? Or, are we to believe she never heard of the case either? Both she and NK were hunkered down in therapy 24/7 and somehow missed the wall-to-wall coverage?

Kimberly wrote:

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Mame showed NK a picture of JR. It was the R's wedding photo where they're both maxed out in plaid and JR had a beard. NK said, "he looks like Uncle Johnny!"...the rest is history. Ask Mame!

Hi Kimberly :D

Thanks for the history lesson!

RiverRat wrote:

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Fleet was named by a woman with a documented history of filing false reports. Period.

That is absolutely NOT true!!!

Logan wrote:

For one who was falsely accused, Fleet didn't raise too much of a protest. I'd sue someone who did that to me.<quoted text>

Absolutely! Why didn't he go after her directly? In fact initially in the police reports ol' Fleet said he didn't know Nancy Krebs. Then later in court he found his memory and admitted he knew her.

And he never sued her?? Why not?

Not true. Nancy had already given the info to the BPD long before I met her!

She did see a photo of John Ramsey that she said looked similar...BUT, that was long after she spoke with the BPD!

Kimberly wrote:

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Mame showed NK a picture of JR. It was the R's wedding photo where they're both maxed out in plaid and JR had a beard. NK said, "he looks like Uncle Johnny!"...the rest is history. Ask Mame!

Logan wrote:

For one who was falsely accused, Fleet didn't raise too much of a protest. I'd sue someone who did that to me.<quoted text>

LOL - that sounded like you said that Fleet did not raise much of a protest! How funny considering all the money he spent pursuing criminal libel charges was far more money than Krebs would have ever been able to dance up for her damages!

Because there is no evidence to verify the JR she was talking about was JB's dad. Again, there are two convicted sex offenders by that same name on the California sex registry, and neither is JB's father. I believe she was molested by one of them so I am not picking and choosing, which you apparently are doing, if you believe FW isn't involved but JR is. She accused both, remember?

Patricia Fox wrote:

<quoted text>That is the whole point right there. You can't pick and choose what part of Krebs story you choose to believe and which you disregard. I don't believe either one abused her. So how can you continue to paint FW guilty but not JR?

Kimberly wrote:

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NK also claimed she'd never heard about the JBR case until she saw Lee Hill on tv. It doesn't make sense now, and it didn't make sense back then. The ENTIRE world heard of JBR by the time she reared her head!
What really makes no sense is if her therapist had years and years of notes on FW et al, why SHE didn't go to police or urge NK to do something THEN? Or, are we to believe she never heard of the case either? Both she and NK were hunkered down in therapy 24/7 and somehow missed the wall-to-wall coverage?

Maybe that is why as some have speculated her records PRIOR to coming forward have never been released...probably nothing there whatsoever about FW. Some speculation that all these accusations she made were ORCHESTRATED by someone else.

Patricia Fox wrote:

<quoted text>Maybe that is why as some have speculated her records PRIOR to coming forward have never been released...probably nothing there whatsoever about FW. Some speculation that all these accusations she made were ORCHESTRATED by someone else.

If their motives were true, why would they give up so easily? All that business about her niece being in danger just went by the wayside when nothing came of her visit with the BPD. Why, I wonder, didn't the VERY INVOLVED therapist take NK directly to Germany and save the niece themselve's?
I also recall talk about a 'fading' actress, do you?

The police have documented every hour that John Ramsey lived, there are no lapses, all months and years are accounted for, no aliases or ss numbers that don't match, he seems above board on all levels. Do we know that the same research was done on these other suspects?

Nancy Drew wrote:

Not true. Nancy had already given the info to the BPD long before I met her!
She did see a photo of John Ramsey that she said looked similar...BUT, that was long after she spoke with the BPD!
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So, she named John Ramsey as her abuser BEFORE she saw that photo and said "that looks like Uncle Johnny"?
If she said JOHN RAMSEY abused her first, then how come she didn't recognize his picture and say "that IS Uncle Johnny"? Was it the name 'John Ramsey' that abused her, or the man?

I don't think he'd have been too comfortable suing her because he knew she was telling the truth. I guess we can't call him stupid in this case.

Nancy Drew wrote:

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Absolutely! Why didn't he go after her directly? In fact initially in the police reports ol' Fleet said he didn't know Nancy Krebs. Then later in court he found his memory and admitted he knew her.
And he never sued her?? Why not?

I doubt it. Amazing how the Ramseys were scrutinized while the others were let off easily.

sissi wrote:

The police have documented every hour that John Ramsey lived, there are no lapses, all months and years are accounted for, no aliases or ss numbers that don't match, he seems above board on all levels. Do we know that the same research was done on these other suspects?

How many therapists have you known who would take her client overseas to save someone else?

Kimberly wrote:

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If their motives were true, why would they give up so easily? All that business about her niece being in danger just went by the wayside when nothing came of her visit with the BPD. Why, I wonder, didn't the VERY INVOLVED therapist take NK directly to Germany and save the niece themselve's?
I also recall talk about a 'fading' actress, do you?

ALL the other suspects have been "documented" by not only the police and other law enforcement, but by those Ramsey investigators and countless "internet sleuths" with all sorts of INSIDE SOURCES and the best they all could do was
KARR

If there was ANY evidence, anything at all that would bring anybody but the Ramseys down, it would have been done

No, the best they got was John Mark Karr

And these are the Ramsey crusaders at their BEST lol

There's one difference between FW and JR. JR was mourning the horrible murder of his child, whereas Fleet was comfortable in his life. How normal would you behave if a child of yours was murdered? Would you bounce back immediately? Could be he had more important things to think about. The Ramseys weren't even allowed to mourn before being assaulted by the legal authorities and the media.

Capricorn wrote:

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The same could be said for John Ramsey who didn't raise any objections either. And he sued everyone!

Criminal libel? What a joke! Instead of going directly after his wicked accuser he chose an antiquated law that has been ruled unconstitutional in most states!!! Ol' Fleet isn't stupid...he used the suit to intimidate AND even better get his hands on what Krebs shared...AND find out what they had on him!!!

He never went directly after Nancy. Our laws provide such legal avenues to protect a person's reputation from lies and wrongdoing. Why didn't Fleet go after her??? I'll tell you why...he didn't want to take the stand...he knows damn well he has a lot to hide.

RiverRat wrote:

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LOL - that sounded like you said that Fleet did not raise much of a protest! How funny considering all the money he spent pursuing criminal libel charges was far more money than Krebs would have ever been able to dance up for her damages!

Nancy told the BPD about Uncle Johnny before she saw the picture of a young John Ramsey while staying with me. She described him prior to seeing the picture as having a beard and being tall and thin. When she saw the picture she indicated he looked very similar to the Uncle Johnny she remembered.

Kimberly wrote:

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So, she named John Ramsey as her abuser BEFORE she saw that photo and said "that looks like Uncle Johnny"?
If she said JOHN RAMSEY abused her first, then how come she didn't recognize his picture and say "that IS Uncle Johnny"? Was it the name 'John Ramsey' that abused her, or the man?