who was the real killer

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Legal__Eagle wrote:

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Logan, you aren't much of a detective are you?
John was born 12/07/1943, Lincoln, NE

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Capricorn wrote:

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All that REAL evidence AND an honorable friendship with Lou Smit and the case isn't solved. All that REAL evidence and Smit still went with Karr AND the case is nowhere near being solved nor will it ever IMO
Now THAT is funny.
Actually, the opinion that the Ramseys are innocent is quite popular. Wrong IMO, but popular
Now that Patsy has passed on, the POPULAR stance is to go with the intruder
Then there are those like myself who won't change their opinions based on who is left to point a finger at. There is not much more to say about the Ramseys involvement that hasn't been said ad nauseum, but the opinions of those who hold them responsible for their daughter's death didn't die with Patsy and won't die with John or anyone else in the mix.

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No, perhaps not, but it is interesting that he is named by a known victim of child abuse.

Logan wrote:

Probably not, but I understand what I read. You apparently don't get what you read. Take a look again. I was not listing JonBenet's father. I listed Johnny B. Ramsey, a known sex offender in California. His birthday is in the post. There is another Johnnie Ramsey sex offender in Bakersfield, with the birthdate of 6/3/1935. Nancy said she didn't know who Johnny Ramsey was, I believe; so I responded. My other reason was that I believe Krebs was truthful when she named Johnnie Ramsey as one of her molesters. Some thought she was accusing JonBenet's father but I didn't think so. There are more persons than one with the same name. I just rechecked on the Nat'l Sex Offender Registry and there are eight John Ramseys. Remember Krebs said Uncle Johnny Ramsey molested her. <quoted text>

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Patricia Fox wrote:

<quoted text>Do you find it just as interesting that John Ramsey was also named by the same victim?

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Patricia Fox wrote:

<quoted text>NK's identified JR by a picture..So unless all the other John Ramseys look like JonBenet's dad, your research is useless. Sorry.

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Logan wrote:

I don't agree.. She was a child when molested by Uncle Johnny and may not recall exactly how he looked. Besides, you know that after years have gone by, faces change and one who was a child when molested may very well not recognize him now; therefore, she may have gone by the name rather than the picture.<quoted text>

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I don't agree.. She was a child when molested by Uncle Johnny and may not recall exactly how he looked. Besides, you know that after years have gone by, faces change and one who was a child when molested may very well not recognize him now; therefore, she may have gone by the name rather than the picture.<quoted text>

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No, perhaps not, but it is interesting that he is named by a known victim of child abuse. He ,Pugh and Wolfe all had "stories, reputations if you will based on the accusations of others. Perhaps they are false, however among the group, there are two you named that have arrest records for molestation, three that have been accused by others, and one who had a daughter kidnapped, and who has a felon for a son. Ramsey is the only man of clean repute named on your list.

Logan wrote:

Probably not, but I understand what I read. You apparently don't get what you read. Take a look again. I was not listing JonBenet's father. I listed Johnny B. Ramsey, a known sex offender in California. His birthday is in the post. There is another Johnnie Ramsey sex offender in Bakersfield, with the birthdate of 6/3/1935. Nancy said she didn't know who Johnny Ramsey was, I believe; so I responded. My other reason was that I believe Krebs was truthful when she named Johnnie Ramsey as one of her molesters. Some thought she was accusing JonBenet's father but I didn't think so. There are more persons than one with the same name. I just rechecked on the Nat'l Sex Offender Registry and there are eight John Ramseys. Remember Krebs said Uncle Johnny Ramsey molested her. <quoted text>

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Logan wrote:

The John Ramsey named by Krebs, if you mean her, was not the father of JonBenet. As I posted a few minutes ago, there are two registered sex offenders in California with the name of John Ramsey. One or both of these may be the uncle Johnny that Krebs referred to, certainly not the father of JB. However, there is no Fleet White listed so we can't confuse him with the wrong FW. <quoted text>

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Indigo wrote:

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Logan, according to Nancy Krebs, she never knew "Uncle Johnny" by any other name. The name John Ramsey would not have been familiar to her. Nancy claims that she recognized John Ramsey as the man who molested her for over a decade after seeing him on television.

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Tired Of Censorship wrote:

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It is clear "who" you meant, so maybe you just want to own up to the mistake instead of trying to wiggle out of it.
You said: "I believe Uncle Johnny Ramsey was the child molestor registered on the California Sex Offender Registry: He was in California during the time Nancy Krebs mentioned."

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RiverRat wrote:

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Fleet was named by a woman with a documented history of filing false reports. Period.

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Victory wrote:

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Logan,
You make so much sense. Thanks for taking time to post here.

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Patricia Fox wrote:

<quoted text>NK's identified JR by a picture..So unless all the other John Ramseys look like JonBenet's dad, your research is useless. Sorry.

Patricia Fox wrote:

<quoted text>Well, too bad you don't agree, she identified him anyway. Guess you will have to argue with NKs about that one...

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Logan, according to Nancy Krebs, she never knew "Uncle Johnny" by any other name. The name John Ramsey would not have been familiar to her. Nancy claims that she recognized John Ramsey as the man who molested her for over a decade after seeing him on television.

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As I stated, faces change as they mature and Krebs may not have recognized him from all those years ago. Krebs' mom referred to Uncle johnny in a letter dated 1974, in which she mentioned he was coming by on Thanksgiving. I wonder where JB's dad was on that date? I'll bet he wasn't there. I think you are so intent on believing JB is guilty that you'll accept anything without question if it points to him. Why do you put up so much defense of FW, who was named by Krebs as a molester, but accept what she said about Ramsey? If she's right about Ramsey, why isn't she right about FW? <quoted text>