Lockheed Martin

I'm just curious why the rn said everything but L/M, but pointedly mentioned the country they "serve" and that JR worked for them, and yet, they never came on the scene?
And why didn't a spokesperson from L/M come out on behalf of JR? Why didn't they speak to his great character and enforce JR's statement that Merrick was an irate ex employee?
Where was Lockheed Martin in all this when their CEO's are trained for just such an emergency? Norm Early repeated the procedure and scratched his head on tv about that very question. Doesn't anyone find them strangely missing in all this?

Some folks dance on stage; others dance behind it.
There is your answer.

Victory wrote:

Some folks dance on stage; others dance behind it.
There is your answer.

I'm sorry, I don't get YOUR innuendo.

Simple answer: We do not know what Lockheed Martin did or didn't do concerning this case. You think they did nothing. I think they did something==something that neither you nor I know.

Victory wrote:

Simple answer: We do not know what Lockheed Martin did or didn't do concerning this case. You think they did nothing. I think they did something==something that neither you nor I know.

I just said what they didn't do, and we do know that much. They did NOT send out a spokesperson, and the police and DA have never pursued that avenue regarding the rn. They were left out of it publicly from day one.

Vivian wrote:

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I just said what they didn't do, and we do know that much. They did NOT send out a spokesperson, and the police and DA have never pursued that avenue regarding the rn. They were left out of it publicly from day one.

Yes, publicly, they stayed out of it.

Victory wrote:

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Yes, publicly, they stayed out of it.

Well, looks like privately they decided to rid themselve's of the number one suspect; so yes, there's my answer;)

Yes, we do know that John left the company.

...and, I think JR says in his book that he lost his job.

Victory wrote:

...and, I think JR says in his book that he lost his job.

Then I guess they didn't believe him. If they had a billion dollars in sales coming out of JR's division, the only reason they'd fire him would be if they thought he had something to do with the murder. You don't axe your golden goose unless your golden goose is (or should be) cooked;)

John leaving the company was best for him and best for Lockheed Martin under the circumstances. While the LE and media were focused on JR and his family, Lockheed could not afford to lose sight of its' mission for business purposes, and there was no way JR could be as productive as he once was. Your conclusion that they fired him because they thought he had something to do with the murder is flawed with your opinion only.

I think there is something definitely suspicious about Lockheed Martin's dangerous inaction in the Ramsey case. John Ramsey was still a top executive there at the time of JonBenet's murder.

To be quite direct about the matter, I suspect Lockheed Martin may have been involved in the secret pedophile party where JonBenet was murdered. That's why Lockheed Martin did nothing, and why they probably don't want the Ramsey case solved.

There are some strange goings on with regard to aircraft compnies in the UK at the moment. There is a matter which has been barely reported, at the bottom of page ten of one newspaper, certainly not by the BBC, that a top executive of British Aerospace has been interviewed by a senior police officer about a slush fund involving billions in Swiss banks for Arab princes who are involved in aircraft contracts.

I suppose diplomatic language has to be used because these Arab princes are threatening to retaliate. It's politically embarrassing, rather like a Lockheed Martin pedophile party, perhaps set up by Fleet White.

There is a reference to Lockheed Martin and the Ramsey case on Miss Marple's Ramsey case Wikipedia:

"Internet poster James sons ex step mom asserted in a post on July 13, 2006 "I believe that the only involvement the family had was with a VP at Lockheed Martin who had a grudge with John and wanted him out of the succession plan.

My ex-husband, the VP of Corporate Compliance, spent the three weeks preceding the murder at the Access Graphics facility (part of the Lockheed and Martin Marietta merger)."

Immediately after the JBR murder, she provided information to the authorities and the next day he was handcuffed by FBI, fired from Lockheed Martin, stripped of all security clearances and Board positions at several high-level national laboratories. She does not believe her husband actually committed the crime but claims he was the strategist behind other "hits" and was easily capable of organizing this."

Donald Freed has an interesting theory about Lockheed Martin and the Ramsey case. He is a visiting professor at Loyola Marymount University (L.A.) and teaches at U.S.C. This is part, and an edited version by me, of what he has said about the matter:

"So the two units, in the Boulder Area, are trained to react to an act of terrorism, like kidnapping, are Lockheed Martin Security on one hand and the FBI on the other. Now, NOBODY FROM EITHER TWO OF THESE UNITS CAME NEAR THAT CRIME SCENE and the question is as in the case of Sherlock Holme's dog that didn't bark. What you're looking at here is SOMETHING THAT IS SO IRREGULAR; SO IMPOSSIBLE, because remember, the SOG, the seat of government operates in this regard.

The FBI's entire profile is based on quick, rapid, decisive action. They take over public relations.

They'd have the Boulder police direct traffic at the periphery. No one gets in or out of that house. No one touches the crime scene. Every home in that area of Boulder is secured. In the case of Adobe Graphics three years before, there was an executive kidnapped and hundred's of FBI agents poured into the landscape. When in Michigan where another industrial kidnapping tool place---where a wife was suspected actually-- hundreds of FBI agents poured in.

What I'm telling you now is a composite of my interviews with FBI executives in this country and elsewhere---former agents and Lockheed Martin agents. When a note announces "terrorism" it is the magic word in the United States for both law enforcement and budgetary considerations. They had to know, not only were there no foreign terrorists, but they had to know BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that what happened neither affected the security of the United States of America or the security and profits of Lockheed Martin.

That this, though located inside a home, may have repercussions outside in terms of circles of people who would not want investigations going on about child pornography, child abuse, or child sexuality. I've summed up for you what a year of research has led me to."

Henrietta McPhee wrote:

Donald Freed has an interesting theory about Lockheed Martin and the Ramsey case. He is a visiting professor at Loyola Marymount University (L.A.) and teaches at U.S.C. This is part, and an edited version by me, of what he has said about the matter:
"So the two units, in the Boulder Area, are trained to react to an act of terrorism, like kidnapping, are Lockheed Martin Security on one hand and the FBI on the other. Now, NOBODY FROM EITHER TWO OF THESE UNITS CAME NEAR THAT CRIME SCENE and the question is as in the case of Sherlock Holme's dog that didn't bark. What you're looking at here is SOMETHING THAT IS SO IRREGULAR; SO IMPOSSIBLE, because remember, the SOG, the seat of government operates in this regard.
The FBI's entire profile is based on quick, rapid, decisive action. They take over public relations.
They'd have the Boulder police direct traffic at the periphery. No one gets in or out of that house. No one touches the crime scene. Every home in that area of Boulder is secured. In the case of Adobe Graphics three years before, there was an executive kidnapped and hundred's of FBI agents poured into the landscape. When in Michigan where another industrial kidnapping tool place---where a wife was suspected actually-- hundreds of FBI agents poured in.
What I'm telling you now is a composite of my interviews with FBI executives in this country and elsewhere---former agents and Lockheed Martin agents. When a note announces "terrorism" it is the magic word in the United States for both law enforcement and budgetary considerations. They had to know, not only were there no foreign terrorists, but they had to know BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that what happened neither affected the security of the United States of America or the security and profits of Lockheed Martin.
That this, though located inside a home, may have repercussions outside in terms of circles of people who would not want investigations going on about child pornography, child abuse, or child sexuality. I've summed up for you what a year of research has led me to."

Nobody knew better than John Ramsey what procedures were. He has never complained ONCE about Lockheed's inaction. Hmmm

Henrietta McPhee wrote:

Donald Freed has an interesting theory about Lockheed Martin and the Ramsey case. He is a visiting professor at Loyola Marymount University (L.A.) and teaches at U.S.C. This is part, and an edited version by me, of what he has said about the matter:
"So the two units, in the Boulder Area, are trained to react to an act of terrorism, like kidnapping, are Lockheed Martin Security on one hand and the FBI on the other. Now, NOBODY FROM EITHER TWO OF THESE UNITS CAME NEAR THAT CRIME SCENE and the question is as in the case of Sherlock Holme's dog that didn't bark. What you're looking at here is SOMETHING THAT IS SO IRREGULAR; SO IMPOSSIBLE, because remember, the SOG, the seat of government operates in this regard.
The FBI's entire profile is based on quick, rapid, decisive action. They take over public relations.
They'd have the Boulder police direct traffic at the periphery. No one gets in or out of that house. No one touches the crime scene. Every home in that area of Boulder is secured. In the case of Adobe Graphics three years before, there was an executive kidnapped and hundred's of FBI agents poured into the landscape. When in Michigan where another industrial kidnapping tool place---where a wife was suspected actually-- hundreds of FBI agents poured in.
What I'm telling you now is a composite of my interviews with FBI executives in this country and elsewhere---former agents and Lockheed Martin agents. When a note announces "terrorism" it is the magic word in the United States for both law enforcement and budgetary considerations. They had to know, not only were there no foreign terrorists, but they had to know BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that what happened neither affected the security of the United States of America or the security and profits of Lockheed Martin.
That this, though located inside a home, may have repercussions outside in terms of circles of people who would not want investigations going on about child pornography, child abuse, or child sexuality. I've summed up for you what a year of research has led me to."

henrietts on the Maglite thread. JR says the Maglite was dirty so he didn`t recognize it as his own. Have you read that anywhere? Everyone says that it was wiped clean. I agree that the DNA and batteries had been wiped clean. gary said something about rolling around in the dirt. Have you seen this anywhere?

Let me repeat; JR should have expected the CEO treatment from Lockheed, and he didn't get it. He has never complained about that, even when the note referred to them as the reason the killer hated HIM! They are the reason given for the DEAD kid in the basement!

Henrietta McPhee wrote:

I think there is something definitely suspicious about Lockheed Martin's dangerous inaction in the Ramsey case.

I think there is a lot more to learn about the whole LM/AG connection. John Ramsey seems to be the head of Advanced Products which finds itself in trouble in 1989. He merges his company with CAD Distributors of Boulder and the new company becomes Access Graphics. For two years this new company also goes south. He now asks for help from D.Paugh who now joins AG. Suddenly Sun Microsystems designates AG as its principal reseller. Now AG had to give Sun a huge amount of cash to purchase the equipment ahead of time. Is this the help that D.Paugh provided? Or is this how LM obtained its 25% stock ownership of AG. If so why would they invest in this company. Is this how D.Paugh helped? Is this where the money for Sun came from? John was only a VP and it is said the company was having problems. When in 1991 JR becomes president of AG at the same time LM buys the remaining 75% of AG. Was AG a public Co.? If not who owned the stock? Is this all just a coincidence? Doesn't something seem weird about all this? In other words did LM decide that AG's sucsess had more to do with the money they poured into the company than the way the president was running things? Wouldn't it seem that JR and AG's must of made alot of exceutives very unhappy during their climb to the top? I wish it was possible to find out who and why LM developed such great interest in AG. Does anybody have a suggestion as to where to find more info on this?

Henrietta McPhee wrote:

Donald Freed has an interesting theory about Lockheed Martin and the Ramsey case. He is a visiting professor at Loyola Marymount University (L.A.) and teaches at U.S.C. This is part, and an edited version by me, of what he has said about the matter:
"So the two units, in the Boulder Area, are trained to react to an act of terrorism, like kidnapping, are Lockheed Martin Security on one hand and the FBI on the other. Now, NOBODY FROM EITHER TWO OF THESE UNITS CAME NEAR THAT CRIME SCENE and the question is as in the case of Sherlock Holme's dog that didn't bark. What you're looking at here is SOMETHING THAT IS SO IRREGULAR; SO IMPOSSIBLE, because remember, the SOG, the seat of government operates in this regard.
The FBI's entire profile is based on quick, rapid, decisive action. They take over public relations.
They'd have the Boulder police direct traffic at the periphery. No one gets in or out of that house. No one touches the crime scene. Every home in that area of Boulder is secured. In the case of Adobe Graphics three years before, there was an executive kidnapped and hundred's of FBI agents poured into the landscape. When in Michigan where another industrial kidnapping tool place---where a wife was suspected actually-- hundreds of FBI agents poured in.
What I'm telling you now is a composite of my interviews with FBI executives in this country and elsewhere---former agents and Lockheed Martin agents. When a note announces "terrorism" it is the magic word in the United States for both law enforcement and budgetary considerations. They had to know, not only were there no foreign terrorists, but they had to know BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that what happened neither affected the security of the United States of America or the security and profits of Lockheed Martin.
That this, though located inside a home, may have repercussions outside in terms of circles of people who would not want investigations going on about child pornography, child abuse, or child sexuality. I've summed up for you what a year of research has led me to."

My take on what Mr. Freed is saying is that Lockheed Martin could not take the chance on John Ramsey being involved in anything like the above..I think even John Ramsey understood that..I think they mutually agreed it would be better for the company if he stepped down.

Henrietta McPhee wrote:

Donald Freed has an interesting theory about Lockheed Martin and the Ramsey case. He is a visiting professor at Loyola Marymount University (L.A.) and teaches at U.S.C. This is part, and an edited version by me, of what he has said about the matter:
"So the two units, in the Boulder Area, are trained to react to an act of terrorism, like kidnapping, are Lockheed Martin Security on one hand and the FBI on the other. Now, NOBODY FROM EITHER TWO OF THESE UNITS CAME NEAR THAT CRIME SCENE and the question is as in the case of Sherlock Holme's dog that didn't bark. What you're looking at here is SOMETHING THAT IS SO IRREGULAR; SO IMPOSSIBLE, because remember, the SOG, the seat of government operates in this regard.
The FBI's entire profile is based on quick, rapid, decisive action. They take over public relations.
They'd have the Boulder police direct traffic at the periphery. No one gets in or out of that house. No one touches the crime scene. Every home in that area of Boulder is secured. In the case of Adobe Graphics three years before, there was an executive kidnapped and hundred's of FBI agents poured into the landscape. When in Michigan where another industrial kidnapping tool place---where a wife was suspected actually-- hundreds of FBI agents poured in.
What I'm telling you now is a composite of my interviews with FBI executives in this country and elsewhere---former agents and Lockheed Martin agents. When a note announces "terrorism" it is the magic word in the United States for both law enforcement and budgetary considerations. They had to know, not only were there no foreign terrorists, but they had to know BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that what happened neither affected the security of the United States of America or the security and profits of Lockheed Martin.
That this, though located inside a home, may have repercussions outside in terms of circles of people who would not want investigations going on about child pornography, child abuse, or child sexuality. I've summed up for you what a year of research has led me to."

I think Lockheed Martin recognized the ransom note for what it was. A COMPLETE PHONY....that is why they didn't get involved.

Henrietta McPhee wrote:

Donald Freed has an interesting theory about Lockheed Martin and the Ramsey case. He is a visiting professor at Loyola Marymount University (L.A.) and teaches at U.S.C. This is part, and an edited version by me, of what he has said about the matter:
"So the two units, in the Boulder Area, are trained to react to an act of terrorism, like kidnapping, are Lockheed Martin Security on one hand and the FBI on the other. Now, NOBODY FROM EITHER TWO OF THESE UNITS CAME NEAR THAT CRIME SCENE and the question is as in the case of Sherlock Holme's dog that didn't bark. What you're looking at here is SOMETHING THAT IS SO IRREGULAR; SO IMPOSSIBLE, because remember, the SOG, the seat of government operates in this regard.
The FBI's entire profile is based on quick, rapid, decisive action. They take over public relations.
They'd have the Boulder police direct traffic at the periphery. No one gets in or out of that house. No one touches the crime scene. Every home in that area of Boulder is secured. In the case of Adobe Graphics three years before, there was an executive kidnapped and hundred's of FBI agents poured into the landscape. When in Michigan where another industrial kidnapping tool place---where a wife was suspected actually-- hundreds of FBI agents poured in.
What I'm telling you now is a composite of my interviews with FBI executives in this country and elsewhere---former agents and Lockheed Martin agents. When a note announces "terrorism" it is the magic word in the United States for both law enforcement and budgetary considerations. They had to know, not only were there no foreign terrorists, but they had to know BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that what happened neither affected the security of the United States of America or the security and profits of Lockheed Martin.
That this, though located inside a home, may have repercussions outside in terms of circles of people who would not want investigations going on about child pornography, child abuse, or child sexuality. I've summed up for you what a year of research has led me to."

Thanks for posting this... I enjoyed reading it... I don't see how you can possibly keep up with all the extensive files you have...It is incredible the amount of info that you have acquired.