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Helen Dagner

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#1560 Dec 22, 2008
Chapter 1
Introduction , other children murders, Cynthia Cadieux, & Sheila Shrock, Mark Stebbins murder, Mark’s Mom, LE Albert Brown, Jane Allen, Jill Robinson’s mom

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Chapter 2
Jill Robinson’s mom, details of argument with Jill, Tom Robinson

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Chapter 3
Jill Robinson, Jill’s premonition of being shot, Kristine Mihelich, Kristine’s mom. mailman discovers body, LE Brooks Patterson

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Chapter 4
Tim King murder, Barry King, LE Brooks Patterson, LE Chif Toban, Robert Turner, mailmen carriers carry composite sketch on their routes.

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Chapter 5
LE LT Robertson, Dr Bruce Danko on patterns, Jane Allen murder, suspect 4 murders are common, Tom Robinson, LE Sgt. David Basha

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Chapter 6
Dr Bruce Albaz. snow theory & winter theory, Mark’s funeral card at drop off, Dr. Bruce Danko, the ‘B’ & ‘L’ pattern

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Chapter 7
Blue Gremlin, questionable lead in investigation from the beginning, clean clothes on victims, clean theory, Dr. Bruce Danko, Tim’s finger nail scraped

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Chapter 8
Dr. Bruce Danko, murder characteristics and theories, LE Lt. Robertson, Police department joining efforts.

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Chapter 9
LE Sheriff Spring criticize police investigations of OCCK.

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Chapter 10
Dr Bruce Danko comments positive on task force investigations, Psychic input on investigations. Tom Robinson comments, Dr Bruce Danko makes contact with ‘Allen’ about a suspect named ‘Frank’. Frank matched composite sketch perfectly and met in gay bar with undercover cops.

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Chapter 11
Grant funding reduced and reduction in personnel. LE LT Robertson organization on investigations
Conclusions

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Helen Dagner

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#1561 Dec 25, 2008
Jill Robinson Murdered- 12-26-1976
To The Oakland County Child Killer-"A man tormented by the guilt of murder will be a fugitive 'till death....let no one support him" God
Helen Dagner

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#1562 Dec 28, 2008
Kristine Mihelich Abducted 1-2-77-Held 19 days Murdered by The Occk
Kristine Mihelich Abducted 1-2-77-Held 19 days by the Oakland County Child Killer-Found murdered on 1-21-77
**Name: Kristine Mihelich
Birth Date: 25 Apr 1966
Death Date: 21 Jan 1977
Gender: Female
Residence: Berkley, Oakland, Michigan
Place of Death: Franklin, Oakland, Michigan

Since: Jun 07

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#1563 Jan 20, 2009
Well, tomorrow another anniversary..........
Kristine and family, you will be remembered in prayer.
God bless you.

Since: Jun 07

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#1564 Jan 21, 2009
I hope some good things are posted on this day. Nice things. It's Kristine's day.
Helen Dagner

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#1565 Jan 22, 2009
MARK STEBBINS UNSOLVED SERIAL MURDER VICTIM- OCCK-1976
Mark Stebbins, 12, was abducted while walking to his Ferndale home in February of 1976.His body was found February 19,in Southfield Mi.He was the first child known to be killed by the Oakland County Child Killer..... New leads, along with new technology, did not reveal the identity of the killer.... 33 years later, the mystery remains unsolved
Helen Dagner

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#1566 Jan 23, 2009
An anguished mother warns other parents-1976-Marks Mom....

A likable 12-year-old whose parents had separated when he was 5, Mark Stebbins wanted to be a Marine when he grew up. On Feb. 15, 1976 he went to a pool tournament, then started on the three-block walk to his home. When he hadn't shown up 10 hours later, his mother, Ruth, called police. "We haven't had any kidnappings in Ferndale in 10 years," officers told her reassuringly, but all that night she lay awake. "I kept hearing noises and thinking it was Mark," she recalls, "and the next few days I set three places at the table in the hope that he'd come home."

On the fourth day police found Mark's body in a parking lot two and a half miles from his home. Later, on the same spot, they found a commemorative card that had been given to visitors at the funeral home. "I didn't recognize everyone who came," says Mrs. Stebbins, 41. "I might even have shaken hands with the killer."

The family's suffering did not end with the funeral. After the murder Mark's embittered brother Michael, now 17, stopped studying, began drinking and using drugs, and was involved in a brush with the law. His mother, too distraught to work, has come to rely on welfare and, occasionally, Valium. She campaigns tirelessly to warn parents of the dangers confronting their children, but her exertions do not ease her grief. "Every time a child has been killed since Mark," she says, "it happens to me all over. I still think about it every day."
Helen Dagner

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#1568 Jan 25, 2009
They Never Came Home [img]http://horror-fantasy.com /dagner/children_animate.gif[/ img]
Helen Dagner

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#1570 Jan 25, 2009
I guess that had to much action to copy...sorry about that...
Grayfield

United States

#1571 Jan 27, 2009
The 10 Biggest Myths About Serial Killers
1) Serial killers are weird looking, stuttering creatures OR they are really good looking.
Actually, serial killers tend to fall pretty much in the average category. Rarely are they so handsome that they are real "lady killers." Rarely are they horrific looking. Most of the time they are the kind of guys who an average girl might think is an okay date for a boring Friday night.
2) Serial killers live with their mothers.
Serial killers DO sometimes live with female relatives because they have trouble with employment and paying the rent on time. Therefore, they find a sucker (read: nurturing female) to feel sorry for them and take them in. They may live with an aunt, a sister, a girlfriend, or a wife. However, sometimes they just live in a room or a cheap apartment all by themselves.
3) Serial killers play cat and mouse games with the police.
Most of the time, they just kill and go back to their normal lives. Playing games with the police is dangerous and can get them caught, something most serial killers are trying to avoid. Only a few serial killers play this game and, of course, because it is such a public behavior, we remember these unusual criminals.
4) Serial killers are male.
While a good portion of serial killers are male, there are many female serial killers at work as well. Female serial killers tend to kill more quietly and focus on victims that they know. They kill their children, the kids they baby-sit, and patients on their shift at the hospital. On occasion, they join their boyfriends in violent killings of young women.
5) Serial killers always use clever ruses to abduct their victims.
The most prolific type of serial killer actually just comes up behind a woman in an alley or a jogging path and hits her over the head or puts a knife to her throat. These are also the killers that are more likely to get away with their crimes.
6) Serial killers kill every month.
Most serial killers have a great deal of down time between killings, often years. Killing is hard work and dangerous. Killing every month is quite demanding and only a few really energetic serial killers do in that many victims.
7) Serial killers will never stop killing unless he is caught or dies.
Most serial killers stop killing at a certain age. They simply run out of the steam and ability to commit crimes. If they are never caught, they will take their secret to their graves after dying of old age.
8) Serial killers all keep souvenirs and newspaper clippings.
A good many of them just kill and go home and never look back except in when they relive the crime in their heads. Some may keep an eye on the news just to make sure the police aren't looking in their direction. Most do not keep souvenirs because they know these items can link them to the crime. However, because some killers DO keep souvenirs and newspaper clippings, Hollywood pretty much uses that in every movie. After all, it makes for good visuals.
Grayfield

United States

#1572 Jan 27, 2009
9) Serial killers are brilliant strategists.
This myth comes from both the police and movies. The police want to make him look smart so they don't look so bad if they can't catch him. The movies make the killer brilliant because it makes for a more interesting plot. Most serial killers are of average intelligence. If they were smarter, they would find a better way to live life.
10) Most serial killers are caught through brilliant police investigation.
Actually, most serial killers are caught through carelessness. Sometimes during a first crime, the inexperience of the killer will lead him to make mistakes that are easily followed up. Then, on the other end of the spectrum, a serial killer who has killed a lot may get careless because he has gotten away with the crimes so many times he becomes arrogant. Other times, an escaped witness will identify the killer, or the killer will get caught with a body in the trunk of his car during a routine traffic stop.
All these myths interfere with the police investigators and public's ability to help solve these crimes. Mistaken beliefs cause suspects to be ignored, cases to go unsolved, and serial killers to remain at large in our communities.
Want more? Find out the truth about Serial Killers in the upcoming book -
Killing For Sport: Inside the Minds of Serial Killers
Pat Brown

Since: Jun 07

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#1573 Jan 28, 2009
This person/people, are not serial killers.
Not in this case. Debate away.
I'll be back later.

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#1574 Jan 28, 2009
I remember the name grayfield. Wow, haven't seen it in a long time.
I don't go on much anymore.
If I remember right, we agreed on a few things ?
Well, It's been a while.

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#1575 Jan 28, 2009
Grayfield wrote:
"Tell you what other pistol's you have?-Who cares about anything you have-from what I understand-No one cares anything about you-"
Apparently you do. You have brought up the fact that I own a .38 half a dozen times already on your web site. Why? I'll tell you why. You are a gossip, and get your cookies off with innuendo. and you like to suggest ideas so others can join in and weave sordid little scenarios. Look what you've done to John Hastings. Lately you've got a murder suspicion cloud thrown over poor dead Dr. Danto. You've got a neighbor of Hastings as an accomplice to the OCCK. You are trying your damndest to cast suspicions on me also.
Also apparent, you do not even understand your own self, since you have dedicated part of your web site to me with a thread identifing me. Why do you say nobody cares anything about me, yet focus so much on me?
If you don't care about the .38, don't write about it. If you don't care about me, then don't write about me.
CWW
Duh.......... Ok I remember you now.
Good, good.
Helen Dagner

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#1576 Jan 28, 2009
-G-{FLIP OVER}-MUST OF BEEN AND OVER SIGHT ON YOUR PART WHEN YOU RE-POSTED THE ABOVE POST-AND DIDN'T POST MY ANSWER TO IT-SO HERE YOU GO "You are so sick-and so stupid-that was a post I was answering-I think Jack asked if you had a gun...but that is neither here or ther-Your a man with NO Conscience-Your a mud slinging fool-who does not know what he is talking about ever...and for you to post on a thread named the OCCK...is absolutely repulsive...The only reasons you are on here-Is because it is the only place you can post & because-it is the only way you could get a post of yours read-you have No interest in these children{victims}...it is just all about you...and why you try to connect yourself with me-is way beyond my comprehension-I don't even know you-I just know about you-and it isn't pretty! You are an Instigator-all you want to do is Hinder-Ridicule-Impede-Obstruc t-Disrupt-Discourage-Character Assassination-Personal Attacks-...with your main goal-SABOTAGE OF THE OCCK CASES...And for some reason..you think your going to bring me down to your level-You have such a quest to feel important-by any means you can be-Here is the facts-YOUR A LOOSER-YEP-THE BIGGEST LOOSER I HAVE EVER KNOWN-and this is what I have been told by everyone I have talked to about you!...Yep If I were to sum you up in one word-it would be IGNORANUS! I DON'T LIKE TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THIS TONE-BUT IT IS ALL YOU CAN UNDERSTAND...IT IS YOUR LANGUAGE-WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TAUGHT-WHAT YOU HAVE ADAPTED TOO-Now I told you I am very busy -The ann. of the Occk Victims will becoming up-I need to work on that-So I am not answering any more of your post!

Ps-You would know all about being Two faced and a liar...So enough about me-lets hear about you-anything good ever happen in your life-or was it just someone else's fault "
Helen Dagner

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#1577 Jan 29, 2009
By the way-Flip Over-Aka-Terri Tom---o...are you trying to get the old yahoo group back together?..appears to me that your up to your old tricks-You now have more screen names than Cww...lol

Since: Jun 07

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#1578 Jan 29, 2009
Uh,
Ok. I don't quite get it.
I was trying to remember who Grayfield was ?
That's all. No tricks, no treats. Just wanted to peek in and see who was still here. See if Danny boy was gone. Look around. I don't go here often. Seems like the same old info for the most part.
I couldn't keep cody, someome took it. So Topix sent me a couple choices. I like flip over.
So, that's all. I thought maybe something new had come in and I wanted to say something nice about Kristine.
Take care.
psychedelic survivor

United States

#1579 Feb 4, 2009
This is an open request for any bona fide information on the Oakland Child Predator cases. If anyone can recommend specific articles, books or people to be interviewed those suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am in the rpocess of collecting this information for a major book on the case. Please understand I am not interested in speculation because that is a bottomless pit. Thanks to one and all.
AK Wilks

Canoga Park, CA

#1580 Feb 4, 2009
Can anyone post a link to or send me an email of the composite sketches?
AK Wilks

Canoga Park, CA

#1581 Feb 4, 2009
Also, does anyone have a link to or can email me the actual letter sent to Danko? Or even know if it was typed or hand written?

akwilks2002@yahoo.com

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