No Sane Parent is this Evil and Dramatic

The RDI's think John or Patsy did it yet they have failed to provide one bit of evidence to show that either Ramsey did drugs, was mentally unstable, had a history of violent behavior, or practiced deviant sexual behavior.
All evidence proves the opposite. JR was a smart mild mannered business man who by all accounts was said to be an excellent father--even his ex wife gave him accolades and that is usually a rarity for ex wives.
Patsy was a devout Christian who prided herself on her appearance yet had no qualms about letting herself be photographed bald once she was under chemo. She was a hands on mother who was very involved in her children's activities. She was kind enough to agree to lend her housekeeper $2000 when she needed it. I don't know too many wealthy people who would do that. Patsy stated publicly that she would never cover for John if she thought he was involved. She knew he would never do anything to hurt their daughter. John knew the same about Patsy. Patsy never hesitated for a second--even when she was lied to by police about imaginary evidence to implicate her husband. She boldly stuck to her guns and told them to "go back to the damn drawing board. John Ramsey didn't do it. I didn't do it"
IMO it is absolutley ridiculous to think that two perfectly sane parents with no history of drug abuse, violent behavior, or mental unstability would create a fake kidnapping scenario by writing a bizzare three page RN that speaks of foreign factions and beheading, stage a sadistic torture scene in the basement including bondage and garrotes.
This theory is "way out there" with no teeth to back it up. JMO

Biz wrote:

The RDI's think John or Patsy did it yet they have failed to provide one bit of evidence to show that either Ramsey did drugs, was mentally unstable, had a history of violent behavior, or practiced deviant sexual behavior.
All evidence proves the opposite. JR was a smart mild mannered business man who by all accounts was said to be an excellent father--even his ex wife gave him accolades and that is usually a rarity for ex wives.
Patsy was a devout Christian who prided herself on her appearance yet had no qualms about letting herself be photographed bald once she was under chemo. She was a hands on mother who was very involved in her children's activities. She was kind enough to agree to lend her housekeeper $2000 when she needed it. I don't know too many wealthy people who would do that. Patsy stated publicly that she would never cover for John if she thought he was involved. She knew he would never do anything to hurt their daughter. John knew the same about Patsy. Patsy never hesitated for a second--even when she was lied to by police about imaginary evidence to implicate her husband. She boldly stuck to her guns and told them to "go back to the damn drawing board. John Ramsey didn't do it. I didn't do it"
IMO it is absolutley ridiculous to think that two perfectly sane parents with no history of drug abuse, violent behavior, or mental unstability would create a fake kidnapping scenario by writing a bizzare three page RN that speaks of foreign factions and beheading, stage a sadistic torture scene in the basement including bondage and garrotes.
This theory is "way out there" with no teeth to back it up. JMO

You forgot one little tidbit. PR could not be eliminated as the writer of the RN.

Biz wrote:

The RDI's think John or Patsy did it yet they have failed to provide one bit of evidence to show that either Ramsey did drugs, was mentally unstable, had a history of violent behavior, or practiced deviant sexual behavior.
All evidence proves the opposite. JR was a smart mild mannered business man who by all accounts was said to be an excellent father--even his ex wife gave him accolades and that is usually a rarity for ex wives.
Patsy was a devout Christian who prided herself on her appearance yet had no qualms about letting herself be photographed bald once she was under chemo. She was a hands on mother who was very involved in her children's activities. She was kind enough to agree to lend her housekeeper $2000 when she needed it. I don't know too many wealthy people who would do that. Patsy stated publicly that she would never cover for John if she thought he was involved. She knew he would never do anything to hurt their daughter. John knew the same about Patsy. Patsy never hesitated for a second--even when she was lied to by police about imaginary evidence to implicate her husband. She boldly stuck to her guns and told them to "go back to the damn drawing board. John Ramsey didn't do it. I didn't do it"
IMO it is absolutley ridiculous to think that two perfectly sane parents with no history of drug abuse, violent behavior, or mental unstability would create a fake kidnapping scenario by writing a bizzare three page RN that speaks of foreign factions and beheading, stage a sadistic torture scene in the basement including bondage and garrotes.
This theory is "way out there" with no teeth to back it up. JMO

Sadly, the intruder theory is way more "out there" than the Ramsey theory. With all due respect, there are many cases where there are no prior DOCUMENTED behaviors or problems within a home. The problem with your post is that nobody really knows what goes on behind closed doors and what the true stories are between families and their interactions, relationships, etc.

Yes, Lucinda said all sorts of nice things, but that was to be expected, ex wife or not. Let's not forget that she is his EX wife because he was a CHEATER and a liar too. Otherwise, they still might have been married, so her input is irrelevant

I suggest you watch your local news more often. Every time someone is arrested for something horrific, etc., you can watch the family members, neighbors, friends, and co-workers in 99% of the cases say that they (the culprits) were wonderful, loving people and would have NO reason to believe that their friend, brother, father, mother, neighbor, etc. would or could EVER do such a thing, whatever it is

Also, Patsy was anything BUT a devout Christian. Just because she had proclaimed HERSELF a devout Christian doesn't make her one. Her behavior with Susan Stine and some of their practical jokes along with her documented incidents of UNChristian like behaviors make her nothing more than a self proclaimed Christian

Attending church and fraternizing with pastors, etc. doesn't make ANYONE a devout Christian. Actions and deeds make one good, not proclamations

Patsy was not such a great woman; ordinary with flaws like the rest of the population

Patsy did it deliberately.

Biz wrote:

The RDI's think John or Patsy did it yet they have failed to provide one bit of evidence to show that either Ramsey did drugs, was mentally unstable, had a history of violent behavior, or practiced deviant sexual behavior.
All evidence proves the opposite. JR was a smart mild mannered business man who by all accounts was said to be an excellent father--even his ex wife gave him accolades and that is usually a rarity for ex wives.
Patsy was a devout Christian who prided herself on her appearance yet had no qualms about letting herself be photographed bald once she was under chemo. She was a hands on mother who was very involved in her children's activities. She was kind enough to agree to lend her housekeeper $2000 when she needed it. I don't know too many wealthy people who would do that. Patsy stated publicly that she would never cover for John if she thought he was involved. She knew he would never do anything to hurt their daughter. John knew the same about Patsy. Patsy never hesitated for a second--even when she was lied to by police about imaginary evidence to implicate her husband. She boldly stuck to her guns and told them to "go back to the damn drawing board. John Ramsey didn't do it. I didn't do it"
IMO it is absolutley ridiculous to think that two perfectly sane parents with no history of drug abuse, violent behavior, or mental unstability would create a fake kidnapping scenario by writing a bizzare three page RN that speaks of foreign factions and beheading, stage a sadistic torture scene in the basement including bondage and garrotes.
This theory is "way out there" with no teeth to back it up. JMO

No, neither parent had a history of mental illness or violence or deviant sexual behavior, but neither did Susan Smith, and what she did, in my opinion, is worse. Her crime was premeditated, she WATCHED as her TWO boys died. Yet people in the community considered her a loving mother. She was, at first, believed when she said her car was stolen and her two little boys abducted. It happens.

John Ramsey and Lucinda were divorced because, as Legal Eagle has already pointed out, John was an adulterer. And he was an adulterer that hid his former adultery from Patsy. Of course, Lucinda had good things to say about him. She and John had two living children who were receiving financial support from John and wanted to continue to do so. I do not think JR sexually molested JB, though. Not for a minute. His relationship with JB, by all accounts, was a warm and trusting one. I think John was slow to anger. I think that was one of his good points.

LHP never got that $2,000, did she? Yet Patsy and her "new best friend," Susan Stine soon found time to go out to lunch and then go shopping. A real Christian would have been concerned with the fact that she'd promised $2,000 to someone who really needed it.

Patsy was a little "too" hands on when it came to JB. The kid was six, but she was still having "accidents" at night and she couldn't even read or write her own name. But she knew how to dress up like a Las Vegas show girl and give pageant judges seductive looks that would embarrass an adult. There's something distinctively "not" loving in that. A kid needs to be allowed to be a kid, not a miniature grown up.

Patsy lied about JB being asleep when they arrived home and staying asleep. That's evidenced by the fact that JB ate pineapple, and she DID eat that pineapple after arriving home from the Whites' dinner. That can't be disputed. And the pineapple is consistent with the pineapple in Patsy's bowl.

Sure, Patsy told LE to "go back to the drawing board" when confronted with made up "evidence" that John was responsible for JB's death. Patsy KNOWS what happened that night.

It's the intruder theory that has no teeth to back it up.

Susan Smith did indeed have a history of mental illness, suicide attempt and more. And she had a stressor - a boyfriend who didn't want her children - that she clearly couldn't handle in a sane manner. So she killed her boys. Nothing like the Rmsey case.

John admitted he got caught up and had an affair - hardly something unknown to many posters on these forums if you follow their stories. It has nothing to do with his life after. He had one affair and there is no evidence he ever did it again. Hardly worth mentioning here, IMO.

No, Linda didn't get the loan. Patsy had other things on her mind, to be sure. Are you really going to fault her for not checking on the welfare of her cleaning lady when she had a murdered daughter to bury and a murder investigation to help with? I will not.

JonBenet could write her name - I have seen things in the Ramsey home that prove that. She was also beginning to read. Remember, she was just in kindergarten. She wasn't behind her friends or classmates.

Patsy was "too hands on"? LOL I hate to thinkof what you say about people who have a "family bed"!

If JonBenet had eaten the pineapple after they got home, it would have been found in her stomach, not her intestnes. Ever have a kid vomit at night? Dinner comes up hours after the meal. No way it was fed to her after they got home.

Also evidence of that- her prints weren't on the bowl or spoon. Morelikely she took one or two pieces from Burke's snack earlier in the day.

As for teeth in the Intruder theory, remember the stun gun, the cord and tape, the boot print, the pubic hair, the palm print, the fibers and the DNA --- none linked to the family. Plenty of teeth there.

Biz wrote:

The RDI's think John or Patsy did it yet they have failed to provide one bit of evidence to show that either Ramsey did drugs, was mentally unstable, had a history of violent behavior, or practiced deviant sexual behavior.
All evidence proves the opposite. JR was a smart mild mannered business man who by all accounts was said to be an excellent father--even his ex wife gave him accolades and that is usually a rarity for ex wives.
Patsy was a devout Christian who prided herself on her appearance yet had no qualms about letting herself be photographed bald once she was under chemo. She was a hands on mother who was very involved in her children's activities. She was kind enough to agree to lend her housekeeper $2000 when she needed it. I don't know too many wealthy people who would do that. Patsy stated publicly that she would never cover for John if she thought he was involved. She knew he would never do anything to hurt their daughter. John knew the same about Patsy. Patsy never hesitated for a second--even when she was lied to by police about imaginary evidence to implicate her husband. She boldly stuck to her guns and told them to "go back to the damn drawing board. John Ramsey didn't do it. I didn't do it"
IMO it is absolutley ridiculous to think that two perfectly sane parents with no history of drug abuse, violent behavior, or mental unstability would create a fake kidnapping scenario by writing a bizzare three page RN that speaks of foreign factions and beheading, stage a sadistic torture scene in the basement including bondage and garrotes.
This theory is "way out there" with no teeth to back it up. JMO

And John Wayne Gacy was an exemplary Knights Of Columbus member. Who woulda thunk Johnny boy had all those bodies under his house?

jameson wrote:

Susan Smith did indeed have a history of mental illness, suicide attempt and more. And she had a stressor - a boyfriend who didn't want her children - that she clearly couldn't handle in a sane manner. So she killed her boys. Nothing like the Rmsey case.
John admitted he got caught up and had an affair - hardly something unknown to many posters on these forums if you follow their stories. It has nothing to do with his life after. He had one affair and there is no evidence he ever did it again. Hardly worth mentioning here, IMO.
No, Linda didn't get the loan. Patsy had other things on her mind, to be sure. Are you really going to fault her for not checking on the welfare of her cleaning lady when she had a murdered daughter to bury and a murder investigation to help with? I will not.
JonBenet could write her name - I have seen things in the Ramsey home that prove that. She was also beginning to read. Remember, she was just in kindergarten. She wasn't behind her friends or classmates.
Patsy was "too hands on"? LOL I hate to thinkof what you say about people who have a "family bed"!
If JonBenet had eaten the pineapple after they got home, it would have been found in her stomach, not her intestnes. Ever have a kid vomit at night? Dinner comes up hours after the meal. No way it was fed to her after they got home.
Also evidence of that- her prints weren't on the bowl or spoon. Morelikely she took one or two pieces from Burke's snack earlier in the day.
As for teeth in the Intruder theory, remember the stun gun, the cord and tape, the boot print, the pubic hair, the palm print, the fibers and the DNA --- none linked to the family. Plenty of teeth there.

There was no stun gun used. Even Lou Smit gave that up. The palm print was sourced to Melinda and she didn't kill JB. The Ramsey family had had a party on the 23rd and LHP hadn't been in to clean up the mess yet. The kids had had friends over on Christmas Day. Plenty of opportunity for fiber transfer. The boot print was no doubt left by construction workers who'd been in the house at Thanksgiving. Patsy bought items costing the exact amount as the cord and the tape at McGuckin's. The DNA could have been secondary or even tertitary transfer.

Finally, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY JB ate pineapple BEFORE going to the Whites' dinner. It was found in her proximal small intestine (do you even know what that is?). Pineapple, a very easily digested substance, was not digested. It was still able to be identified as pineapple with some of the rind still attached, consistent with that found in the bowl. But the Ramseys has to lie about the pineapple, didn't they? Or they would have blown their time line. If they admitted JB ate pineapple after coming home, which she did do, LE would have known she was killed very, very shortly afterward, which they knew as soon as the autopsy was complete. They would have known that JB was killed when Patsy admitted she was fooling around with suitcases upstairs. They couldn't very well have an intruder killing JB while Patsy was still awake, so they just lied about the pineapple and hoped it wouldn't be discovered. They really weren't very good at covering up this crime. Only in Boulder.

CSIEngland wrote:

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There was no stun gun used. Even Lou Smit gave that up. The palm print was sourced to Melinda and she didn't kill JB. The Ramsey family had had a party on the 23rd and LHP hadn't been in to clean up the mess yet. The kids had had friends over on Christmas Day. Plenty of opportunity for fiber transfer. The boot print was no doubt left by construction workers who'd been in the house at Thanksgiving. Patsy bought items costing the exact amount as the cord and the tape at McGuckin's. The DNA could have been secondary or even tertitary transfer.
Finally, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY JB ate pineapple BEFORE going to the Whites' dinner. It was found in her proximal small intestine (do you even know what that is?). Pineapple, a very easily digested substance, was not digested. It was still able to be identified as pineapple with some of the rind still attached, consistent with that found in the bowl. But the Ramseys has to lie about the pineapple, didn't they? Or they would have blown their time line. If they admitted JB ate pineapple after coming home, which she did do, LE would have known she was killed very, very shortly afterward, which they knew as soon as the autopsy was complete. They would have known that JB was killed when Patsy admitted she was fooling around with suitcases upstairs. They couldn't very well have an intruder killing JB while Patsy was still awake, so they just lied about the pineapple and hoped it wouldn't be discovered. They really weren't very good at covering up this crime. Only in Boulder.

I have always been told that the befrigement material found her intestine was NOT definitively identified as pineapple. Pineapple was one of the possibilities but it could have been a number of things.
Lou Smit has not given up on the stun gun theory. I don't know where you got that info.

learnin wrote:

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And John Wayne Gacy was an exemplary Knights Of Columbus member. Who woulda thunk Johnny boy had all those bodies under his house?

True, I believe Gacy was even photographed with Nancy Reagan. But he was a scumbag who was always picking up young boys. He may not have been obvious in the beginning but after a close look, all the signs were there. Same with Ted Bundy, BTK, and Susan Smith.

Biz wrote:

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I have always been told that the befrigement material found her intestine was NOT definitively identified as pineapple. Pineapple was one of the possibilities but it could have been a number of things.
Lou Smit has not given up on the stun gun theory. I don't know where you got that info.

I'm not positive about Lou Smit, but I do know the material was positively identified as pineapple, even pineapple with part of the rind still on, consistent with that in the bowl on the Ramseys' breakfast table. It would be too much of a coincidence to think it came from any place else and it had to have been consumed by JB AFTER arriving home that night from the Whites' dinner party. Pineapple is very easily digested, with a fast mobility through the digestive system. It's impossible it would have been eaten before the cracked crab at the Whites' house.

Biz wrote:

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True, I believe Gacy was even photographed with Nancy Reagan. But he was a scumbag who was always picking up young boys. He may not have been obvious in the beginning but after a close look, all the signs were there. Same with Ted Bundy, BTK, and Susan Smith.

Patsy was a very productive person, but there's no doubt she showed signs of emotional disturbance. I'm not saying she was nuts or insane, though. At any rate, insanity is a legal term, not a medical one. I'm not ready to commit to BM's DID theory, though Patsy was clearly emotionally unstable and a practiced liar.

And Susan Smith was found mentally competent to stand trial and did stand trial. She SHOULD have been strapped into a car and shoved into a lake to drown (Smith).

CSIEngland wrote:

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And Susan Smith was found mentally competent to stand trial and did stand trial. She SHOULD have been strapped into a car and shoved into a lake to drown (Smith).

Ha ha I agree.
But let me add this...with Susan Smith you never saw real tears. She mumbled and you couldn't understand her sentences. Same with Caylee Anthony. Sure they wiped their eyes over and over but where were the tears??
Patsy was a former beauty queen who generally cared alot about her appearance, yet she was so distraught over her daughter's death that she didn't care what she looked like....tears and bloodshot eyes, makeup messed up. You do not care about all that stuff when you are truly upset that a loved one has died. Patsy had plenty of tears.

jameson wrote:

As for teeth in the Intruder theory, remember the stun gun, the cord and tape, the boot print, the pubic hair, the palm print, the fibers and the DNA --- none linked to the family. Plenty of teeth there.

You just keep wanting to spew misinformation to people who you think can't find things out for themselves, huh? Or maybe you are hoping people will just take you at your word.

From web page:

"The palm print on the basement door turned out on further review to belong to Melinda Ramsey, one of John Ramsey's children from his first marriage, the News reported last year citing 'a source close to the case'."

"And the mystery of the Hi-Tec boot imprint was solved in grand jury testimony. Prosecutors disclosed in the 2000 interviews of the Ramseys that Burke and one of his friends had told jurors that Burke owned a pair of Hi-Tec boots — something his parents said they somehow overlooked or forgot when they told authorities no one in the family owned such a boot, even though there is a distinctive compass on the boot."

A specific stun gun was never matched to this marks, and every known stun gun was checked! A stun gun isn't the olny item that can leave eletrical burn marks equally spaced apart!

Your agenda is clear. Your "followers" are fools.

From web page: http://crimemagazine.com/solvingjbr-main.htm

Biz wrote:

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I have always been told that the befrigement material found her intestine was NOT definitively identified as pineapple. Pineapple was one of the possibilities but it could have been a number of things.
Lou Smit has not given up on the stun gun theory. I don't know where you got that info.

Pineapple is mentioned in the autopsy. Is that a coincidence? Is it a coincidence that pineapple was mentioned in the autopsy and there happened to be a bowl of pineapple in the Ramsey home? Just a coincidence?

Please, explain this.

Biz wrote:

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Ha ha I agree.
But let me add this...with Susan Smith you never saw real tears. She mumbled and you couldn't understand her sentences. Same with Caylee Anthony. Sure they wiped their eyes over and over but where were the tears??
Patsy was a former beauty queen who generally cared alot about her appearance, yet she was so distraught over her daughter's death that she didn't care what she looked like....tears and bloodshot eyes, makeup messed up. You do not care about all that stuff when you are truly upset that a loved one has died. Patsy had plenty of tears.

Susan Smith killed her children on purpose. If Patsy killed JonBenet on accident, of course she would be sad that JonBenet was dead. Of course she would cry "real" tears. But she would also want to do everything she could to find the animal that killed her, if she hadn't been involved. Not run from the police and hide behind lawyers.(The Ramseys could have had attorneys present during their interviews right after the "murder".)

Biz wrote:

The RDI's think John or Patsy did it yet they have failed to provide one bit of evidence to show that either Ramsey did drugs, was mentally unstable, had a history of violent behavior, or practiced deviant sexual behavior.
All evidence proves the opposite. JR was a smart mild mannered business man who by all accounts was said to be an excellent father--even his ex wife gave him accolades and that is usually a rarity for ex wives.
Patsy was a devout Christian who prided herself on her appearance yet had no qualms about letting herself be photographed bald once she was under chemo. She was a hands on mother who was very involved in her children's activities. She was kind enough to agree to lend her housekeeper $2000 when she needed it. I don't know too many wealthy people who would do that. Patsy stated publicly that she would never cover for John if she thought he was involved. She knew he would never do anything to hurt their daughter. John knew the same about Patsy. Patsy never hesitated for a second--even when she was lied to by police about imaginary evidence to implicate her husband. She boldly stuck to her guns and told them to "go back to the damn drawing board. John Ramsey didn't do it. I didn't do it"
IMO it is absolutley ridiculous to think that two perfectly sane parents with no history of drug abuse, violent behavior, or mental unstability would create a fake kidnapping scenario by writing a bizzare three page RN that speaks of foreign factions and beheading, stage a sadistic torture scene in the basement including bondage and garrotes.
This theory is "way out there" with no teeth to back it up. JMO

I know of no caring parent who would call in a horde of friends when they'd received a ransom note which threated to behead their daughter if they so much as "talked to a stray dog."
I know of no caring parent who was ready to leave town the moment their dead childs body was found.
I know of no "devoutly Christian mother" who parade their painted 4-6 yr. old daughters around in beauty pageants.
I could go on....
The Ramseys were not perfect. All you know about them is what they wanted you to see.
Their behavior was suspicious. They had the means and opportunity to kill her. That we don't know what the motive was, does not mean that there wasn't one.
It may have been an accident. It may not have been. There is evidence of prior sexual abuse.
The RDI "theory" has more than enough "teeth" to back it up.
Some of know that all that glitters isn't gold.

Biz wrote:

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I have always been told that the befrigement material found her intestine was NOT definitively identified as pineapple. Pineapple was one of the possibilities but it could have been a number of things.
Lou Smit has not given up on the stun gun theory. I don't know where you got that info.

WHO "told you" that it wasn't pineapple? The "befrigement" (LOL) material was found in her vagina...not in her intestine.
It WAS pineapple. Stop being in denial. It was sent to a lab and anaylized. Its standard procedure in an autopsy. Even Lou Smit confirmed it. Where have you been?

Biz wrote:

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I have always been told that the befrigement material found her intestine was NOT definitively identified as pineapple. Pineapple was one of the possibilities but it could have been a number of things.
Lou Smit has not given up on the stun gun theory. I don't know where you got that info.

You wrote:

"I have always been told...."

When opinions or theories are based on lies, misinformation, ignorance, flawed reasoning, etc., the truth can never be discovered or believed.