Tensions over immigration in NJ town

Cricket 23 wrote:

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So you were granted American citizenship and you want to give it to people that committed an illegal act to get here? Is that all you feel your American citizenship is worth? Oh,maybe you need to go back to Cuba,you would fit in better there with your twisted views. Better yet try to remember what you said when you took the oath of allegiance to the United States! It says something about "I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America." Now I do believe that illegal aliens break the law when they enter our country without permission!
Oath of Allegiance for Naturalized Citizens
Oath of Allegiance
The oath of allegiance is:
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Well Cricket, it appears that most people that get legalized lived as an "Illegal" before becoming legal. There are groups of people like Cubans who can only come here through illegal means and only then can they apply for asylum or as a refugee.

To insist on Enforcement Only puts you squarely on the side of people that want to continue "Illegal" immigration because everybody knows that it doesn't work thus leaving "Illegal" immigration in tact.

The "oath" means nothing until they become citizens. How are they going to take that oath without a path to citizenship? You're grasping at straws dude.

Cricket 23 wrote:

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Join your friend Ceptfer and give me a comment on these groups!
http://www.mexica-movement.org/
spreading hate, and promoting the racist "reconquesta" propaganda.
http://www.aztlan.net/
Another racist hate filled "reconquesta" website.
How about MEChA? Which has chapters on school campuses across this nation
with their "reconquesta" racist propaganda.
http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html
And there is the "Brown Berets de Aztlan" a militant, armed group of
"chicanos" (Mexicans) who are recruiting to take over the US southwest by
force:
http://www.aztlan.net/brown_berets_de_aztlan ....

Cep,you say you are only responsible for what you post. Then at least post references that are not from pro-illegal alien sources. Thanks.

You dispute the problems with illegal aliens and refuse to see the problems they create. Got it.

Ceptfer wrote:

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Well Cricket, it appears that most people that get legalized lived as an "Illegal" before becoming legal. There are groups of people like Cubans who can only come here through illegal means and only then can they apply for asylum or as a refugee.
To insist on Enforcement Only puts you squarely on the side of people that want to continue "Illegal" immigration because everybody knows that it doesn't work thus leaving "Illegal" immigration in tact.
The "oath" means nothing until they become citizens. How are they going to take that oath without a path to citizenship? You're grasping at straws dude.

"Everybody knows"?. Got a link to that reference,otherwise it's just hearsay.

Post #498

What does spending in Latin America have to do with our system? We're different and we like to think that we do a better job. What they do over there does not negate what we have to do here and it doesn't negate the tax contributions the "Illegal" make either. Plus we have a legal obligation to educate these kids. Like it or not that's the law of the land.

Indyeast wrote:

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Cep,you say you are only responsible for what you post. Then at least post references that are not from pro-illegal alien sources. Thanks.
You dispute the problems with illegal aliens and refuse to see the problems they create. Got it.

I don't post racist and bigoted sources. That's a lot better than what some people do around here.

Indyeast wrote:

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"Everybody knows"?. Got a link to that reference,otherwise it's just hearsay.

Somehow I don't think you'll be satisfied with the numbers that show that we've spent billions, a record number, on fencing and border patrol during the time that we've had the highest level of "Illegal" immigration. There comes a time when people recongnize that if you keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you get.

Ceptfer wrote:

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I only feel responsible for the information I post. I don't use the above. Consequently it's not relevent to this discussion. You on the other hand continue to use dubious sources such as Hate Groups like FAIR and other sources like the CIS and VDARE. You should be explaining rather than trying to hide your agenda.

So they aren't hate groups?

http://www.mexica-movement.org/
spreading hate, and promoting the racist "reconquesta" propaganda.

http://www.aztlan.net/
Another racist hate filled "reconquesta" website.

How about MEChA? Which has chapters on school campuses across this nation
with their "reconquesta" racist propaganda.
http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

And there is the "Brown Berets de Aztlan" a militant, armed group of
"chicanos" (Mexicans) who are recruiting to take over the US southwest by
force:
http://www.aztlan.net/brown_berets_de_aztlan ....

Ceptfer wrote:

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Somehow I don't think you'll be satisfied with the numbers that show that we've spent billions, a record number, on fencing and border patrol during the time that we've had the highest level of "Illegal" immigration. There comes a time when people recongnize that if you keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you get.

OH come on,I may not be but surely someone on here will be satisfied,go ahead and post the link.

Ceptfer
Saint Charles, MO

"Like it or not that's the law of the land."

Comment:

This is the law of the land,do you support it?

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

"Any person who ... encourages or induces an alien to ... reside ... knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such ... residence is ... in violation of law, shall be punished as provided ... for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs ... fined under title 18 ... imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Indyeast wrote:

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OH come on,I may not be but surely someone on here will be satisfied,go ahead and post the link.

I would let's see the source

Ceptfer
Saint Charles, MO

I don't post racist and bigoted sources.

Comment:

Thank you,that explains why you don't post a source for your comments!

Ceptfer
Saint Charles, MO

"To insist on Enforcement Only puts you squarely on the side of people that want to continue "Illegal" immigration because everybody knows that it doesn't work thus leaving "Illegal" immigration in tact."

Comment:

Say what?

Ceptfer
Saint Charles, MO

Well Cricket, it appears that most people that get legalized lived as an "Illegal" before becoming legal.

Comment:

Wrong!

Quote:
7.7 million applications in '07
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services received 7.7 million immigrant and
non- immigrant applications in 2007, up from 6.3 million in 2006. The U.S.
State Department, which runs all U.S. consulates and embassies around the
world, received 8.5 million non-immigrant applications, up from 7.7 million
in 2006.
The U.S. government puts about 1 million immigrants on the path to
citizenship each year by issuing them green cards, which makes them legal
permanent residents and gives them the right to work. It issues another 5.5
million non-immigrant, or temporary, visas that let people enter the country
for tourism, school or business.

Cep,you are a buzy person. Getting paid are ya?

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/ma...

The U.S. immigration system is divided into two broad categories:
immigrant and non-immigrant (or temporary) visas. In 2006, the latest
figures available for immigrant visas, the U.S. government approved 1.26
million such visas, which grant legal permanent residency, or green cards,
creating a path to citizenship. In 2007, the government issued 6.4 million
temporary visas that allow entry into the country for a set time period.
Temporary, Non-Immigrant Visas
There are 26 temporary visa categories - designated by letters in the
alphabet - and 70-plus individual visas within those groups that authorize
entry into the United States for business, pleasure, education, employment
and other legitimate reasons. For instance, within the P-visa category for
athletes and trainers, there are five separate visa types. Here are some of
the more common visas:
Student visas (F1)
For international students who qualify academically at a U.S.
university, prove financial stability to pay tuition and expenses and are
approved by U.S. consular officers. Allows students to stay and earn a
degree as long as they show adequate progress. Allows them to work part time
on campus or at an approved off-campus job. After completion of a degree,
students can stay one year to work in their field of study.
* Typical fees:$231, plus out-of-state university costs
* Number issued in 2007: 298,389
* Yearly cap: None
* Length of validity: Duration of student status and, if eligible,
one-year following degree
Visitor visas (B)
Issued for business or pleasure to applicants who can prove strong
ties to their home country and convince a consular officer they will return
home after their visit. Mexicans are eligible for border-crossing cards, or
laser visas, which are valid for 10 years.
* Typical fees:$131
* Issued in 2007: 4.5 million
* Yearly cap: None
* Length of validity: Up to 10 years for the visa, which is good for
multiple visits. Permitted length of each trip is determined by a Customs
and Border Protection officer, ranging from one day to one year, with an
average of six months.
Non-professional temporary worker visas (H2A and H2B)
H2As are for temporary or seasonal agricultural workers. H2Bs are for
temporary or seasonal non-agricultural workers, most often used in
construction, health care, landscaping, lumber, manufacturing, food service
and resort/hospitality services. Companies must get approval for both from
the U.S. Department of Labor.
* Typical fees:$231
* Issued in 2007: H2B: 60,227/H2A: 50,791
* Yearly cap: 66,000 for H2B. None for H2A.
* Length of validity: The length of season employer has been
authorized for, not to exceed one year.
Professional temporary worker visa (H1B)
For professionals with college degrees in speciality occupations -
often architects, engineers, computer programmers, accountants, doctors and
college professors. One of a handful of temporary visas that allow "dual
intent," which means people can adjust their status and become legal
permanent residents, with sponsorship of the employer.
* Typical fees:$231, plus employer-paid filing fees of $3,320
* New H1Bs issued in 2006: 109,614
* Yearly cap: 65,000 for general business; 20,000 for foreigners with
master's degree earned in the United States; unlimited for four- year
universities and some non-profits.
* Length of validity: Up to six years; longer if green-card
application is pending.

Nope,amnesty is not the right way to go.

http://www.the-signal.com/news/article/2636/
Ceptfer:
June 30, 2008 - 02:53 AM
Oh please, enough already! Our history has been replete with your kind of rhetoric and I think we've done an awesome job in this country. People who can pass our criminal background check, health checks and prove that they are self-sufficient should be allowed out of the shadows because that will serve our best interests in planning for the future and will let us know who is here within our borders. They're adding and contributing to our communities and our economy. They'll help fill the void that is being left by our inability to fill the jobs with our own due to low birth rates. Contrary to what some people insist, these people assimilate faster than ever. Yes, Amnesty is the right thing to do.

Ceptfer wrote:

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Again you're link is not working.
How do I separate the "Legal" from the "Illegal"?
And, why do you neglect the fact that most recipients of Welfare are White?
Shouldn't people that qualify get services regardless of race or ethnicity?

http://www.fns.usda.gov/cga/FactSheets/reachi...
In FY 2006, USDA spent nearly $5.1 billion to serve about 8.2 million WIC participants. Hispanics represent the largest racial/ethnic group in the WIC Program. In 2004, about 39 percent of those enrolled in WIC were of Hispanic origin. Approximately 3/4 of the Hispanic infants born in the United States participate in WIC.

Is that clear enough for you to comprehend? 75% of Hispanic children born in the U.S. are on govt. services shortly after birth; you are so gung-ho about providing govt give-aways to anyone,we'll raise YOUR taxes to provide the funding,OK?

Cep?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Illegals and thier rights.
I like this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Indyeast wrote:

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I noticed it skipped right over your question.
I wonder if that is because it has no logical response,lol.

I answer to my posts. Why don't you answer to yours? Why is it that FAIR a known Hate Group, CIS, NumbersUsa, and VDARE, a White Supremacist, are used on this thread with no explanation why? LOL!