How should the US deal with Illegal Immigration?

Dormaine wrote:

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Thanks !! Looks, I just tells it likes I see it.
Now all dem folks wantin to go Washington won't tell it like it is. If dey tells de truth, Dey would never get elected. De American public votes fo de man dat tells dem whast deys wants to hear and it don't matter if its true or not.
Now, tell me Muther, who has shit fo brains.

Youn do, of course you know that!

youRE ALL REAL IGNORANT wrote:

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SO YOU COOK YOUR OWN MEALS CUT YOUR OWN LAWN AND BLAH BLAH --- HA!!! WHATEVER SO YOU AND HOW MANY OTHERS? HMMM... A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE I AM SURE NEVER GO OUT TO EAT AT RESTAURANTS WHERE MEXICANS ARE EITHER COOKING CLEANING OR SERVING AND DONT REQUIRE PROFESSIONAL LANDSCAPERS MEXICAN OR WHITE OR WHATEVER BECAUSE YOU LIVE THE ALL AMERICAN DREAM LIFE WHERE YOURE MR PERFECT AND SO ARE YOUR WIFE AND KIDS YEAH RIGHT! AT LEAST ONCE IN YOUR LIFE I AM SURE YOU HAVE GONE TO MCDONALDS WENDYS OR BURGER KING WHERE THERE IS USUALLY ONE MEXICAN WORKING -- LOOK MR TENNESSEE STOP TRYING TO ACT LIKE YOURE PERFECT. I AM A DESCENDANT OF MY ANCESTORS AND THAT IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW!!! OH AND BY THE WAY I PROUDLY HAVE AN OUTSTANDING EDUCATION I HAVE A DEGREE IN BUSINESS MARKETING WITH AN EMPHASIS IN PROFESSIONAL SALES AND A MINOR IN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS! TOP THAT LOSER OR ALL TRADES! LOVE THE MEXICANS HIJO DE LA CHINGADA!

just so you know,i am a woman. i could care less if you are a real smarty pants or not. and losing the caps would be "respectful" to the rest of us. or do you leave it on so your posts will get noticed? where i live,we have mcdonalds,burger king,hardees,wendy's,taco bell,and long john silver's,just to name a few. i never said that i have not eaten at those places. i said that i do not leech off the system. yes,i agree that there are a lot of latinos working in those places. and i for one,have not been back to frequent those places either. i cannot afford to go back to them anyway. i work a job that the illegals won't work. they demand that they have better pay,so i am working for shit wages. what i'm trying to say is that the illegals have driven down the wages to an all-time low. i can't afford to go out anywhere. i can barely afford to pay rent.i have to live where i can,and my rent is not cheap. i don't get food stamps because i make too much money. now,you go and try to live off of shit wages. as far as the "american dream" goes,i no longer have that option. all the illegals(from where ever),have taken that from me. i know i am not perfect. nobody is. if i was perfect,i'd not be here! my ancestry is no secret. i am 1/4 cherokee,1/2 irish,and 1/4 scotch. but,anyway,i would like the illegals gone. let them go back to their own country and trash it up. and i'm talking about ALL illegals. not just the latinos. i think i've had my say. for now.

hey "matt up north",how's it going? didn't think i'd see you on this forum. welcome. i'll have to talk later. starting to storm here.

shouldhaveseenitcomming wrote:

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Do your research and tell me what a universal vegetable harvesting machine costs?

There is no such thing as a "universal harvester". Some of the farmers I know don't need workers, everything is mechanized. Others agree with your point below:

Many hispanics are satisfied to come work for short periods and return home to be with their families. H2A and H2B programs, if adjusted to a more practical level would be a good place to start.

Sink the boats with big holes, and release the sharks. Bring-in a large U.S. Naval ship, load up all the Puerto-Freakins, Cube-fat-assins, Jamai-cocainians, MartianAsians, Mexi-frito-cans, and everyone else who likes any of 'em. Then, send-off the ship with attached missles, and I guarantee everyone we will never again have to see these Alien monsters ever again. We dont need anymore ugly babies born in this country. We dont need their infections, and we sure as hell dont need to know anything about their sick, nasty, boring cultures and lifestyles.

Bowman wrote:

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There is no such thing as a "universal harvester". Some of the farmers I know don't need workers, everything is mechanized. Others agree with your point below:
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Thank you, you are exactly right. There is no such thing as a universal harvester. It would be a very valuable and useful implement if it did exist.

Didn't mean to put you in a bad position asking such a question. It is very fortunate for the farmers that have the financial ability to mechanize if such equipment is available to plant, cultivate, and harvest their crops. However, there are many crops that demand a certain amount of hand-labor and machines, although helpful, are not available to completely eliminate the need for labor.

Please research further the cost of H2A labor in your state and likewise the programs and restrictions that exist for the use of prison labor and why or why not this type of labor would be useful for the farmer.

You do seem like an earnest person. Thank you for your response and I am awaiting your reply to the questions above.

Bowman wrote:

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There is no such thing as a "universal harvester". Some of the farmers I know don't need workers, everything is mechanized. Others agree with your point below:
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Used to be an International Harvester made in Ames Iowa, They used them in Montana years ago.

Rogerg wrote:

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Used to be an International Harvester made in Ames Iowa, They used them in Montana years ago.

Roger,
International Harvester was the name of a company that produced tractors, combines, planters, and general farm implements including lawn mowers for your yard.

How are you comming on my last request to you. Also I would like your input as to why you think that the Congressional "Hispanic Caucus" is holding hostage the H2R provision under the H2B program. The bill introduced is known as the "Save our Small and Seasonal Business Act of 2007".

As described by Sen. Jeff Sessions during last years debate on Comprehensive Immigration Reform.
The H2R aspect was the "model program".

Respectfully, I am awaiting your reply

shouldhaveseenitcomming wrote:

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Roger,
International Harvester was the name of a company that produced tractors, combines, planters, and general farm implements including lawn mowers for your yard.
How are you comming on my last request to you. Also I would like your input as to why you think that the Congressional "Hispanic Caucus" is holding hostage the H2R provision under the H2B program. The bill introduced is known as the "Save our Small and Seasonal Business Act of 2007".
As described by Sen. Jeff Sessions during last years debate on Comprehensive Immigration Reform.
The H2R aspect was the "model program".
Respectfully, I am awaiting your reply

http://www.savesmallbusiness.org/

Bowman wrote:

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Some of the farmers I know don't need workers, everything is mechanized.

Keep your eye on this trend; it's only going to get bigger.

what wrote:

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Keep your eye on this trend; it's only going to get bigger.

Good !

shouldhaveseenitcomming wrote:

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Roger,
International Harvester was the name of a company that produced tractors, combines, planters, and general farm implements including lawn mowers for your yard.
How are you comming on my last request to you. Also I would like your input as to why you think that the Congressional "Hispanic Caucus" is holding hostage the H2R provision under the H2B program. The bill introduced is known as the "Save our Small and Seasonal Business Act of 2007".
As described by Sen. Jeff Sessions during last years debate on Comprehensive Immigration Reform.
The H2R aspect was the "model program".
Respectfully, I am awaiting your reply

Roger, I visit that site frequently; however, I was asking for your personal opinion as to why certain segments of Congress would drag their feet on such a vital piece of legislation.

This one bill would give employers an option to hire needed seasonal foreign workers legally which, in turn, would complement workplace enforcement actions.

I thought surely that since you had pointed out H2A and other visa programs as an alternative to businesses hiring illegal aliens that you perhaps could have given a justifiable reason as to why a business may not have an alternative but to unknowingly employ an illegal alien.

It appears to me the the Congressional Hispanic Caucus is using the ACLU, SCLC, and various other slanted tactics to stall Congress and put pressure on employers to pressure their representatives in Congress to legalize every illegal alien in the country rather than face enforcement actions.

Some of the readers of this forum would follow a monkey jumping off a cliff and use piecemeal information to justify the dive. I think that your accurate commentary on this particular aspect of the Visa H2R program in relation to how members of Congress are placing roadblocks on the path to your stated goals would enlighten the readers and participants on this forum.

The readers respect your opinion and some take for the gospel truth an inaccurate one liner from the editor of the post.

No disrespect intended; but, this is one area that is vital to acheiving our goals of cleaning up the illegal immigration problem in this country. Your accurate input in this area could have inspired some of your readers to bring this issue to the attention of their congressional representatives rather than wallowing in the quagmire of self-pity and blaming the employer for not being more vigilant in their hiring practices.

youRE ALL REAL IGNORANT wrote:

WHY DONT YOU ALL GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND READ ON HISTORY MEXICANS LIVED ON MOST OF THE WEST AND SOUTHWEST BEFORE ANY OF YOU WHITE FOLKS DID! HOW ABOUT MEXICANS TAKE BACK ALL THEIR LAND AND LEAVE THE SO CALLED "US" WITH THEIR LITTLE NATION LIKE IT WAS BACK IN THE DAY -- FUkING THEIVES. MEXICANS WILL NEVER GO AWAY AND GOOD LUCK TRYING TO DEPORT THEM ALL -- IT AiNt gONnA hAPpeN! HOW MANY OF YOU EAT OUT? ALL OF YOU PRICKS DO! SO WHO COOKS FOR MOST RESTAURANTS LOTS OF MEXICANS DO -- WHO CLEANS YOUR BUSINESSES AND WHO MAKES ALL YOUR LAWNS LOOK GOOD -- MEXICANS DO!!! FACE IT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT YOU ALL ACCEPT SOME TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT INVOLES THE WORK OF A MEXICAN. OH AND WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO A MEXICAN DOING ANY KINDA JOB FOR YOU -- CHARGING YOU LESS MAKES ALL YOU HYPOCRITES HAPPIER SO STOP TALKING ALL YOUR STUPID NONSENSE. MOST OF YOU COME FROM OTHER NATIONALITIES ANY DAMN WAY AND YOU ARENT REAL AMERICANS -- MOST YOU WHITE FOLKS ARE MUTS SO EAT SHIT BASTARDS! LOVE THE MEXICANS!!!

No such place as Mexico existed before the Hispanics came here from Europe and stole the lands of our U.S. Native American Indian tribes.
None of our tribes were Mexican.
No place called Mexico existed here.

The Hispanics called the lands here "Nueva Espania" NOT "Mexico", after their homeland in Europe, Spain. And it remained Nueva Espania for hundreds of years.

The ancestors of Mexicans were never indigenous to these lands where the USA is now.

No such tribe as "Mexica" ever lived here, the Mexica lived 1000 miles south of the existing US/Mex border, where Mexico City stands today.
No such tribe as Aztec ever lived on what is now US lands.
No Mayan tribe ever lived here, no Toltec tribe ever lived here.
No tribe called Hispanic, or Latino, ever lived here either.

This land, which is now the United States of America was the land of our U.S. Native America Indian tribes, and none of our tribes were ever Mexican. Not now, never have been, never will be.

Mexico stole our lands in 1821.
On August 24, 1821, representatives of the Spanish crown and Iturbide signed the Treaty of Córdoba, which recognized Mexican independence under the terms of the Plan of Iguala, ending three centuries of Spanish rule, over our tribal lands.

What did the Mexicans do with our tribal lands? Nothing at all, until 27 years later, when they sold the lands to the United States of America in
1848.
Mexico sold 1.36 million km (525,000 square miles) to the United States in exchange for $15 million (equivalent to $350 million today)
In addition to that $15 million the USA agreed to take over $3.25 million ($70 million today) in debts Mexico owed to American citizens.
The USA paid a total of $18,250,000 for part of the US southwest ($420 million today).

Mexico then sold another, smaller piece of land (southern AZ & NM) to the USA On December 30, 1853, Mexican President Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna sold off part of Mexico for $10 million ($210 million today).

SOMEONE in Mexico got the equivalent of $630,000,000 (six hundred thirty million dollars) for their claim on our tribal lands.
(If you have a beef about it, go look up Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna's ancestors, they owe you a few pesos. They are probably still living in the south of France on the dough.)

Mexicans, Meztiso, Aztec, Mayan, Hispanic, Latino, Mexica, you are NOT "indigenous" to California. Your tribe has no homeland here.

Here is your AZTLAN: http://www.crystalinks.com/aztecs.html

1000 miles south of the existing US/Mexico border.

Cheyenne Z wrote:

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No such place as Mexico existed before the Hispanics came here from Europe and stole the lands of our U.S. Native American Indian tribes.
None of our tribes were Mexican.
No place called Mexico existed here.
The Hispanics called the lands here "Nueva Espania" NOT "Mexico", after their homeland in Europe, Spain. And it remained Nueva Espania for hundreds of years.
The ancestors of Mexicans were never indigenous to these lands where the USA is now.
No such tribe as "Mexica" ever lived here, the Mexica lived 1000 miles south of the existing US/Mex border, where Mexico City stands today.
No such tribe as Aztec ever lived on what is now US lands.
No Mayan tribe ever lived here, no Toltec tribe ever lived here.
No tribe called Hispanic, or Latino, ever lived here either.
This land, which is now the United States of America was the land of our U.S. Native America Indian tribes, and none of our tribes were ever Mexican. Not now, never have been, never will be.
Mexico stole our lands in 1821.
On August 24, 1821, representatives of the Spanish crown and Iturbide signed the Treaty of Córdoba, which recognized Mexican independence under the terms of the Plan of Iguala, ending three centuries of Spanish rule, over our tribal lands.
What did the Mexicans do with our tribal lands? Nothing at all, until 27 years later, when they sold the lands to the United States of America in
1848.
Mexico sold 1.36 million km (525,000 square miles) to the United States in exchange for $15 million (equivalent to $350 million today)
In addition to that $15 million the USA agreed to take over $3.25 million ($70 million today) in debts Mexico owed to American citizens.
The USA paid a total of $18,250,000 for part of the US southwest ($420 million today).
Mexico then sold another, smaller piece of land (southern AZ & NM) to the USA On December 30, 1853, Mexican President Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna sold off part of Mexico for $10 million ($210 million today).
SOMEONE in Mexico got the equivalent of $630,000,000 (six hundred thirty million dollars) for their claim on our tribal lands.
(If you have a beef about it, go look up Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna's ancestors, they owe you a few pesos. They are probably still living in the south of France on the dough.)
Mexicans, Meztiso, Aztec, Mayan, Hispanic, Latino, Mexica, you are NOT "indigenous" to California. Your tribe has no homeland here.
Here is your AZTLAN: http://www.crystalinks.com/aztecs.html
1000 miles south of the existing US/Mexico border.

You are correct !! However, Santa Ana's relatives
probably live in Cuba where he was exiled after abusing his Country's fiduciary trust.

Jose wrote:

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Or better yet:
1- Accuse mexico of sponsoring invaders/terrorists.
2- Invade Mexico to "liberate" its people and "rebuild" the country
3- Spend another $500 billion (and add that to the 10 trillion debt record too?)
Oooooops! Mexico does not have petroleum... Oh! forget about it, just deport everybody and add costs to the 10 trillion debt...very good idea professor veritas...you are truly a truthful and inspiring person...your students are certainly getting the best America has to offer...

Mexico has a commodity more valuable to our economy than oil......cheap labor.

what wrote:

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Keep your eye on this trend; it's only going to get bigger.

What, a large cash crop in your area is Burley Tobacco, a highly labor intensive crop. When it comes to cutting the stalk, some mechanization is in the process of being developed; but, the cost of the machine is prohibitive to many of the small farmers in your area. The next problem is the stripping of the tobacco after it is cured. Work was done several years back to experiment with the method of curing; but, this experiment failed and was abandoned. It sure would be a break to eliminate the labor involved if it were possible to mechanize this process.

Before any one squeals "to hell with tobacco". This is only an example of a product and many more agricultural products likewise require intensive labor input; and, to this date, total mechanization has not been sucessful in order to produce an acceptable product.

Professor Veritas wrote:

Step 1: Locate.
Step 2: Arrest.
Step 3: Collect fine, seizing all assets if necessary.
Step 4a: Give them the choice of 4 years of active duty, non-reserve, non-guard military service, or immediate deportation.
Step 4b: Upon refusal of military service, deport immediately, and charge AND COLLECT the cost of deportation from the illegal's home country.
Step 5: Automatic arrest & maximum term imprisonment if found in the United States illegally again.

Professor Veritas Where are you from?? Are you a American Indian??? You sound like a Bushie Boy..

Rogerg wrote:

I don't get the women knew their place thing at all,whats with that?

well roger, see its like this... what i find disturbing about chuck baldwin.
he states:
"If I were President, I would use the bully pulpit of the White House to encourage Congress to pass Congressman Ron Paul’s Sanctity of Life Act. In short, this bill would do two things: First, it would declare that unborn babies are persons under the law. Second, under the authority of Article. III. Section. 2. of the U.S. Constitution, it would remove abortion from the jurisdiction of the Court. In essence, this bill would immediately overturn Roe v. Wade and end legalized abortion."
this statement by chuck baldwin, is in itself, the complete and only reason needed by ppl like myself, NOT to vote for him. we do not live in the middle ages here and i as an individual, would not allow "chuck" to tell me whether i could or couldn't terminate a pregnancy if i had been raped by anyone..
"Republicans tout themselves as being "pro-life." Yet, the GOP controlled both houses of Congress and the White House for six years and did absolutely nothing to overturn Roe or end abortion-on-demand. Under my administration, we could end legal abortion in a matter of days, not decades. And if Congress refused to pass Dr. Paul’s bill, I would use the constitutional power of the Presidency to deny funds to protect abortion clinics. Either way, legalized abortion ends when I take office."
abortion. you cannot outlaw it. its that simple.
yes, i completely disagree with abortion on demand being used as a form of birth control, and i think that tougher legislation could be put into place there, like the "12 week priniciple" and CHARGE for 'on demand" abortions that are not a result of violence, instead of giving them away for free.
on the flipside, this is also an enlightened age, and backstreet abortions are simply going to spring up like poppies all over again, endangering the lives of those who cannot afford a healthier option, if legal abortion is removed. anyone who knows the slightest thing about human anatomy, and who can read, can figure out how to do an abortion - the info is available everywhere - and thats where the danger lies too.
if abortion is illegal, HOW DO YOU PROPOSE that i should agree that a victim of rape and incest should be forced to give birth because of a violent act committed against them?.
ABSOLUTELY NOT. no man or woman on this planet, has the right to enforce a such a victim to be victimized again by violent circumstances or the legal system - period.
parents of a possibly very deformed or "sick" fetus, or a likewise mom-to-be in a dangerous medical situation, also have the right to decide whether to continue a pregnancy or not - and this is free choice. that is a bottom line for me roger, and not something i will ever see differently.
as for NATO and the UN...
we are all going to have differing opinions on this. if one recalls why the UN and NATO were established in the first place, i do not believe for one instant that the USA and justify "leaving " and "entering" it as whim.
the usa thumbed its nose at the UN and nost of the rest of the world over the war in afghanistan and iraq, and then likewise turned around and asked for help dealing with the mexicans. to me this is a no brainer as to why that aide has not come forward yet.
i agree that america donates largely to the UN, and that usa military is not the UN's personal army. but then if you wan to belong to any "boys club", you have to follow rules set for all, and has nothing to do with the amount of money you give them. that money is for establishing principia, not for buying a right to change mind at will, and use or abuse it to suit personal perogatives.

sorry about typos again lol

sorry, but although i WISH i could fully support chuck baldwin, who has some great priniciples to offer, he still smacks too much of "this is a man's world" to me.