The other side of immigration raids

The fact that your mother knowingly violated our immigration laws, and now feels bitter and resentful that she was detected and forced to accept the consequences of her unlawful act, hardly merits our nation revisiting our immigration laws. If your mother and father had an ounce of responsibility, they would have taken the extra steps necessary to do things right when they first entered our country. Having been in detention in the 70's, I'm not certain, and your story fails to qualify how either of your parents finally qualified as legal residents and ultimately became citizens (perhaps the 1986 Sompson Mazolli amnesty?). As for parents being whisked away and families being broken up by enforcement of our laws, you get no sympathy here. There are no impediments that prevent a person being deported from taking either their American born spouse or children with them. Most nations grant spouses and children of returning expatriates who have been deported, dual citizenship.

Certainly some, many immigrants have made great contributions to the United States, but those contributing the most were invariably "legal" aliens. The fact that your parents harbor bitterness for "getting caught" and being "made to do things the right way" may mean something to you, but I find it insulting and arrogant that you seek to guilt the rest of us for acts and events that were always within the control and responsibility of your parents.

Every time immigration raids happen we get stories like this. When one only looks at one side of the story no matter how much it may tug at the heartstrings it is still propaganda. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics and the U.S. Social Security Administration there are almost two unemployed U.S. Citizens and Legal Residents for every working Illegal Immigrant. Where are the articles about the Poor Citizen, struggling to survive, now getting a job that was not available to that person before because an Illegal Immigrant had under bid them wage-wise for that job, but now the Illegal Immigrant is deported and the Citizen has a chance to work? Throughout U.S. history every huge influx of Immigrants has resulted in high unemployment in the unskilled labor markets. And today is no different. Per the latest U.S.B.L.S. data Unskilled Labor unemployment is two thirds higher than general unemployment and teenage unemployment is approaching 20%.

An article entitled 'IMMIGRATION CRACKDOWN MAY BOOST US JOB PROSPECTS' By David R. Francis stated "a study by Northeastern University's Center for Labor Market Studies in Boston attributes the "unprecedented" levels of legal, illegal, and temporary immigration as a factor underlying the "devastation" in the job scene for America's teens and young adults over the past seven years. That's especially the case for males with no schooling beyond high school and youths from low-income families. Summer seasonal jobs as a proportion of all jobs are at the lowest level now in the past 30 years." Yet we see no articles on this subject either.

Deporting Illegal Immigrants is one of those tough things that a society must do in order to protect its Citizens from even greater hardship. Every society on earth knows this because every government on earth deports Illegal Immigrants. The statement "that we allow such undemocratic, inhumane, and un-American policies under our watch" is the epitome of the lack of maturity that characterizes the Illegal Immigrant debate. We need to educate those who do not have the maturity to understand that sometimes you have to choose the lesser of two evils and not myopically focus on one side of an issue and fail to see the hurt that manifests itself on the other side of an issue. Yes it hurts and makes people feel bad when it is necessary to deport someone. But is it better to deport the person who broke the law living here illegally or have a Citizen on the unemployment line because they happen to live in a country were everyone wants to come and take the job they could have had?

As usual, another sappy story to make us feel guilty and sorry for ILLEGAL immigrants, a bold word sadly lacking from this op-ed.

You are only an American citizen, because of a loophole in the law that was meant to protect black Americans born here, not to protect the children of ILLEGAL aliens who have broken into our country.

Not you fault. It's the fault of the idiots who run the government and have never closed our borders. Most countries protect their borders will the ferocity of a bulldog.

Don't try to make me feel sorry for ILLEGAL aliens, no matter what country they come from.

The person who wrote this opinion piece claims to be a business owner. If I could I would ask the following:

Let’s say that you have a business that employs 100 people. Four people decide that they want to work for your company but instead of interviewing they just walk in the back door and start working. They turn in their time cards and Payroll not knowing any different starts paying them regular payroll checks. Effectively they have “hired themselves”.

A few months go by and you as owner notice that you are not earning any profit in your business. You investigate and find that it is because you are paying wages to the four people who you did not approve taking jobs at your company. You ask what they are doing at your company and those that work near them say that they are just doing jobs no one else wants to do. You ask who used to do that work and you are told that those people were lazy and they are now doing better jobs. You ask how could four people just walk in off the street and start working and you are told that they are hard working folks who just want to feed their families.

You try to get rid of the four. After all, they lied to get the jobs and you are concerned about what else these they might be lying about. But 22 of your workers come to their defense saying they should have amnesty while 78 of your workers support you getting rid of them. A few of the 22 workers threaten you with legal action because the four are from a “protected minority” and call you a racist for even thinking of getting rid of the four workers.

Finally, you decide that it is too much trouble to try to get rid of the four workers who “hired themselves” at your business and instead you lay off four workers who have been with you for years but are less likely to make life difficult for you as you lay them off. After all, they can collect unemployment. And besides, as loyal as they have been, they get paid more money than the workers who “hired themselves” so you will save some money on wages.

Is this the way you would run your business?

Typical criminal gets pissed when they get caught. Our government needs to stop these
type of people from sneaking into our country.
We need GOOD people immigrating not criminals.

In the last couple of months, there have been numerous stories in the papers about the impact of immigration raids on children. All of the articles that I have read emphasize the terrible government policies that, in the long run, hurt the children. My question is this ... why should the United States care more about the children than their own parents do? THEY came here illegally and either A - brought their children here illegally or B - popped out anchor babies after arriving. Either way you look at it, it is the parents who have put their own children at risk. The news services are trying to convince us that we should stop the immigration raids and allow the illegal aliens to continue breaking the law - all in the name of the children. That's the same worn out line they use to try to get us to buy into increased taxes also - all in the name of the poor little children. Well, I've got news for you. I take care of my own children and do my best to keep them out of harm's way, including raising them to obey the laws of our great country. I do not teach them to break into other people's countries and squat on their land illegally. The illegal alien population needs to step up and accept responsibility for the fact that they have (and are) broken the law - and that THEY put THEIR children at risk by so doing.

Ed Weirdness wrote:

The fact that your mother knowingly violated our immigration laws, and now feels bitter and resentful that she was detected and forced to accept the consequences of her unlawful act, hardly merits our nation revisiting our immigration laws. If your mother and father had an ounce of responsibility, they would have taken the extra steps necessary to do things right when they first entered our country. Having been in detention in the 70's, I'm not certain, and your story fails to qualify how either of your parents finally qualified as legal residents and ultimately became citizens (perhaps the 1986 Sompson Mazolli amnesty?). As for parents being whisked away and families being broken up by enforcement of our laws, you get no sympathy here. There are no impediments that prevent a person being deported from taking either their American born spouse or children with them. Most nations grant spouses and children of returning expatriates who have been deported, dual citizenship.
Certainly some, many immigrants have made great contributions to the United States, but those contributing the most were invariably "legal" aliens. The fact that your parents harbor bitterness for "getting caught" and being "made to do things the right way" may mean something to you, but I find it insulting and arrogant that you seek to guilt the rest of us for acts and events that were always within the control and responsibility of your parents.

Perfectly said! Agree 150%!

What do they mean the other side of the story , this is the ONLY SIDE they tell! Oh poor poor pitiful law breakers .........
http://youtube.com/watch...

Norski wrote:

The person who wrote this opinion piece claims to be a business owner. If I could I would ask the following:
Let’s say that you have a business that employs 100 people. Four people decide that they want to work for your company but instead of interviewing they just walk in the back door and start working. They turn in their time cards and Payroll not knowing any different starts paying them regular payroll checks. Effectively they have “hired themselves”.
A few months go by and you as owner notice that you are not earning any profit in your business. You investigate and find that it is because you are paying wages to the four people who you did not approve taking jobs at your company. You ask what they are doing at your company and those that work near them say that they are just doing jobs no one else wants to do. You ask who used to do that work and you are told that those people were lazy and they are now doing better jobs. You ask how could four people just walk in off the street and start working and you are told that they are hard working folks who just want to feed their families.
You try to get rid of the four. After all, they lied to get the jobs and you are concerned about what else these they might be lying about. But 22 of your workers come to their defense saying they should have amnesty while 78 of your workers support you getting rid of them. A few of the 22 workers threaten you with legal action because the four are from a “protected minority” and call you a racist for even thinking of getting rid of the four workers.
Finally, you decide that it is too much trouble to try to get rid of the four workers who “hired themselves” at your business and instead you lay off four workers who have been with you for years but are less likely to make life difficult for you as you lay them off. After all, they can collect unemployment. And besides, as loyal as they have been, they get paid more money than the workers who “hired themselves” so you will save some money on wages.
Is this the way you would run your business?

In my opinion this is outstanding. Perhaps you could send it to Washington D.C.? Clearly they have no idea how to think as bottom-line thinkers? They absolutely need help and we need to be heard! Thank you!

Many of these comments would make more sense if there were legal avenues for many or most of the people who come illegally. There aren't and they don't. A legal Mexican wanting their minor child to come legally would have to wait at least seven years for a visa and pay hundreds, perhaps 10s of thousands of dollars. If you are from the Philippines, the wait would be around 14 years.

Rational people, even if they had a close family member or employer relationship that would allow them to come legally (which is a distinct minority of the folks who might want to come and contribute to the American economy) are choosing to go around the system, not through it.

As a nation formed by immigrants from across the globe who put together the best nation on earth, we can and should do better.

go back to england and germany, pilgrims. . .But of course you forget that.

AndiMedi: The point you brought out and the one I agree with involves the word WAIT. That word has never meant, who cares I'll just go ahead anyway. There are people patiently WAITING who'd love to be in my country legally, not illegally. When you wilfully violate the law, all laws, you do so knowingly. These people can hardly clam "I had no knowlege of the laws." And there's no excuse for trying to jump in ahead of those doing their best to follow our laws!

Norski wrote:

The person who wrote this opinion piece claims to be a business owner. If I could I would ask the following:
Let’s say that you have a business that employs 100 people. Four people decide that they want to work for your company but instead of interviewing they just walk in the back door and start working. They turn in their time cards and Payroll not knowing any different starts paying them regular payroll checks. Effectively they have “hired themselves”.
A few months go by and you as owner notice that you are not earning any profit in your business. You investigate and find that it is because you are paying wages to the four people who you did not approve taking jobs at your company. You ask what they are doing at your company and those that work near them say that they are just doing jobs no one else wants to do. You ask who used to do that work and you are told that those people were lazy and they are now doing better jobs. You ask how could four people just walk in off the street and start working and you are told that they are hard working folks who just want to feed their families.
You try to get rid of the four. After all, they lied to get the jobs and you are concerned about what else these they might be lying about. But 22 of your workers come to their defense saying they should have amnesty while 78 of your workers support you getting rid of them. A few of the 22 workers threaten you with legal action because the four are from a “protected minority” and call you a racist for even thinking of getting rid of the four workers.
Finally, you decide that it is too much trouble to try to get rid of the four workers who “hired themselves” at your business and instead you lay off four workers who have been with you for years but are less likely to make life difficult for you as you lay them off. After all, they can collect unemployment. And besides, as loyal as they have been, they get paid more money than the workers who “hired themselves” so you will save some money on wages.
Is this the way you would run your business?

I too,give you a standing ovation!!!!
May I use in other forums?

gilberto wrote:

go back to england and germany, pilgrims...But of course you forget that.

The joke is that 88% of all Mexicans are either partially or totally decended from Immigrants (mostly from Europe) themselves.

Indyeast wrote:

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I too,give you a standing ovation!!!!
May I use in other forums?

Sure! Go ahead! Thanks!

Norski wrote:

The person who wrote this opinion piece claims to be a business owner. If I could I would ask the following:
Let’s say that you have a business that employs 100 people. Four people decide that they want to work for your company but instead of interviewing they just walk in the back door and start working. They turn in their time cards and Payroll not knowing any different starts paying them regular payroll checks. Effectively they have “hired themselves”.
A few months go by and you as owner notice that you are not earning any profit in your business. You investigate and find that it is because you are paying wages to the four people who you did not approve taking jobs at your company. You ask what they are doing at your company and those that work near them say that they are just doing jobs no one else wants to do. You ask who used to do that work and you are told that those people were lazy and they are now doing better jobs. You ask how could four people just walk in off the street and start working and you are told that they are hard working folks who just want to feed their families.
You try to get rid of the four. After all, they lied to get the jobs and you are concerned about what else these they might be lying about. But 22 of your workers come to their defense saying they should have amnesty while 78 of your workers support you getting rid of them. A few of the 22 workers threaten you with legal action because the four are from a “protected minority” and call you a racist for even thinking of getting rid of the four workers.
Finally, you decide that it is too much trouble to try to get rid of the four workers who “hired themselves” at your business and instead you lay off four workers who have been with you for years but are less likely to make life difficult for you as you lay them off. After all, they can collect unemployment. And besides, as loyal as they have been, they get paid more money than the workers who “hired themselves” so you will save some money on wages.
Is this the way you would run your business?

I'd get rid of the four and then the twenty-two others.

AndiMedi wrote:

Many of these comments would make more sense if there were legal avenues for many or most of the people who come illegally. There aren't and they don't. A legal Mexican wanting their minor child to come legally would have to wait at least seven years for a visa and pay hundreds, perhaps 10s of thousands of dollars. If you are from the Philippines, the wait would be around 14 years.
Rational people, even if they had a close family member or employer relationship that would allow them to come legally (which is a distinct minority of the folks who might want to come and contribute to the American economy) are choosing to go around the system, not through it.
As a nation formed by immigrants from across the globe who put together the best nation on earth, we can and should do better.

Two words that I'm sure liberals will understand...

Waa-haaaaaa

AndiMedi wrote:

Many of these comments would make more sense if there were legal avenues for many or most of the people who come illegally. There aren't and they don't. A legal Mexican wanting their minor child to come legally would have to wait at least seven years for a visa and pay hundreds, perhaps 10s of thousands of dollars. If you are from the Philippines, the wait would be around 14 years.
Rational people, even if they had a close family member or employer relationship that would allow them to come legally (which is a distinct minority of the folks who might want to come and contribute to the American economy) are choosing to go around the system, not through it.
As a nation formed by immigrants from across the globe who put together the best nation on earth, we can and should do better.

In the last 20 years, after our economy stabilized at 67% of our population seeking employment, we have only been able to create an average of 1.66 million new jobs per year. This limit was not reached because of limits on Immigration. During the last 20 years the number Americans unemployed never fell below 9 million if you include “discouraged workers”(Government term for people who want to work but are not included in the regular unemployment figures so the figures do not look quite so bad). If jobs were actually going unfilled this would not be so. And if one assumes that the current U.S. Fertility Rate of 2.1 children per woman were to continue and one realizes that the average number of workers hitting retirement each year is 2.5 million versus an average of 3.0 million new young Americans entering the workforce each year one quickly realizes that we need one half million new jobs each year for our native born young folks. So at best we could sustain about 1.16 million new Legal Immigrants per year, which is what we already accept. Capital cannot expand jobs as fast as immigrants can come to the U.S. That has been proven historically again and again. Immigration above this rate just adds to the unemployment lines and it is usually fellow Citizens who wind up there. That is why people have to wait so long and why Illegal Immigration is such a problem.

gilberto wrote:

go back to england and germany, pilgrims...But of course you forget that.

Tell you what, when we go we'll take all of our industry, infrastructure, and economics with us. We’ll demolish the buildings or transport them with us. We’ll destroy the roads, bridges, and dams. We’ll remove every form of manufacturing we developed. We’ll take all the power plants and waterworks with us when we leave. We’ll ruin every form of resource gathering we’ve got currently.

When the nation is back in its natural state before we ‘ruined’ it. We’ll take back everything that made this Nation great. Everything that we did, not illegal alien border-jumpers or others had done. Nobody living here before the colonists arrived were making the country into what it is today.

But of course, you forget that.

Norski wrote:

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The joke is that 88% of all Mexicans are either partially or totally decended from Immigrants (mostly from Europe) themselves.

Yep, if they want to complain about their rights they can swim back to Spain.