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I have property up in northern central Florida. im very excited for global warming - cant wait! i really want beachfront property so bad. At least close to the beach anyway. I buy big canisters of freon every Saturday and we have BBQ's and release those puppys into the air!...none of my gas guzzling cars have catalytic converters and they all need tuneups.I tried to use coal for charcoal but it was hard to light. In the winter I do add pure penn state coal to my fireplace though and it burns all night baby...Its gonna happen folks. Oh yes it is!

FloridaTim wrote:

I have property up in northern central Florida. im very excited for global warming - cant wait! i really want beachfront property so bad. At least close to the beach anyway. I buy big canisters of freon every Saturday and we have BBQ's and release those puppys into the air!...none of my gas guzzling cars have catalytic converters and they all need tuneups.I tried to use coal for charcoal but it was hard to light. In the winter I do add pure penn state coal to my fireplace though and it burns all night baby...Its gonna happen folks. Oh yes it is!

Im doing my part on earth day I light a big bonfire with about 100 tires. Ya gotta do it at nite or some greenie will see the billowing cloud of thick black smoke and call the cops!

RUH-ROH! Now even "green" energy causes warming. Wonder what the greenies will say about this now? I guess we'll just have to tax the wind industry out of business too. And, before all you AGW'ers out there get your undies in a bind, this researcher is from one of those "acedemic" arenas that are so touted as THE rock of scientific consensus.

"Researchers used satellite data from 2003 to 2011 to examine surface temperatures across as wide swath of west Texas, which has built four of the world's largest wind farms. The data showed a direct correlation between night-time temperatures increases of 0.72 degrees C (1.3 degrees F) and the placement of the farms."

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/30/win...

JRS wrote:

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Probably not. The tax payers will lop the heads off of the phony AGW crisis peddlers first after the glaciers start encroaching in on their back yards.
Glaciers are growing around the world, including the United States
Click here to see a list of the specific glaciers that are growing
List of Expanding Glaciers http://www.iceagenow.com/List_of_Expanding_Gl...

This is the denier problem--they think if they can find it on the internet it must be true--this is an ice age freak site with no data just requoting other deniers--an echo chamber. Do you get it that googling is not research? But deniers are not interested in research only in answering each item tit for tat and then slapping themselves on the back like the goons they really are. Really their intention is to prevent this from becoming a serious issue as long as they can because it would sink the Republicans. Saw an interview with a Republican weatherman from Wisconsen and he admitted he was frustrated at trying to explain things to his fellow conservatives.

Mike4703 wrote:

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This is the denier problem--they think if they can find it on the internet it must be true--this is an ice age freak site with no data just requoting other deniers--an echo chamber. Do you get it that googling is not research? But deniers are not interested in research only in answering each item tit for tat and then slapping themselves on the back like the goons they really are. Really their intention is to prevent this from becoming a serious issue as long as they can because it would sink the Republicans. Saw an interview with a Republican weatherman from Wisconsen and he admitted he was frustrated at trying to explain things to his fellow conservatives.

blah, blah, blah....

What a yawner.

Mike4703 wrote:

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This is the denier problem--they think if they can find it on the internet it must be true--this is an ice age freak site with no data just requoting other deniers--an echo chamber. Do you get it that googling is not research? But deniers are not interested in research only in answering each item tit for tat and then slapping themselves on the back like the goons they really are. Really their intention is to prevent this from becoming a serious issue as long as they can because it would sink the Republicans. Saw an interview with a Republican weatherman from Wisconsen and he admitted he was frustrated at trying to explain things to his fellow conservatives.

Republicans?? Mike - who said anything about Democrats or Republicans - until YOU took the convo there?

Demonstrating once again - it isn't really about the "science" for you AGW fans, is it?

It's all about partisan politics for you.

kristy wrote:

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I'm also told that my problem is my ego!! You are right about not being able to reason with them. Only loons would think this about ego and hate and jealousy.

The problem is about ego, thiers. After all, your self confidence and refusing to take them at thier word hurts thier ego.

I know for me one of the latest is calling me a liar. After all, if I am telling the truth then they would have to admit that they were wrong and those poor egos cannot take that type of stress.

Mike4703 wrote:

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This is the denier problem--they think if they can find it on the internet it must be true--this is an ice age freak site with no data just requoting other deniers--an echo chamber. Do you get it that googling is not research? But deniers are not interested in research only in answering each item tit for tat and then slapping themselves on the back like the goons they really are. Really their intention is to prevent this from becoming a serious issue as long as they can because it would sink the Republicans. Saw an interview with a Republican weatherman from Wisconsen and he admitted he was frustrated at trying to explain things to his fellow conservatives.

Republican weatherman? Wow, I didin't know anything like that existed. It's really weird that weathermen have political partisanship in their forecasts.

Hey, I got news for ya. This isn't about GOP/Dem argument. It's about scientitsts with political agendas and the need to keep their gravy train rolling.

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Republican weatherman? Wow, I didin't know anything like that existed. It's really weird that weathermen have political partisanship in their forecasts.
Hey, I got news for ya. This isn't about GOP/Dem argument. It's about scientitsts with political agendas and the need to keep their gravy train rolling.

Unfortunately there is a divide between Democrats and Republicans on global warming.
http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/17...

The Democrats are more likely to give credence to the scientists on topics of global warming. Where do the Republicans get their information. From Heartland?
http://i2.crtcdn1.net/images/ed/2012/05/05/17...
Pretty pitiful when they need to resort to emotional images instead of scientific findings.

Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:

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Unfortunately there is a divide between Democrats and Republicans on global warming.
http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/17...
The Democrats are more likely to give credence to the scientists on topics of global warming. Where do the Republicans get their information. From Heartland?
http://i2.crtcdn1.net/images/ed/2012/05/05/17...
Pretty pitiful when they need to resort to emotional images instead of scientific findings.

I have to totally agree with you on this one. It is truly sad that Heartland lowered themselves to the tactics of the AGW alarmists using emotion instead of science:

Kids blowing up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Polar bears falling from the sky to their deaths:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

kristy wrote:

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I have to totally agree with you on this one. It is truly sad that Heartland lowered themselves to the tactics of the AGW alarmists using emotion instead of science:
Kids blowing up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Polar bears falling from the sky to their deaths:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Hardly the same level. Heartland is a powerful organization that is respected by conservatives and shapes their values. It is apparent that they are losing their grip on global warming policy. Their attempt to distort public opinion on global warming by such a tactic is inadequate and shameful.

Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:

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Unfortunately there is a divide between Democrats and Republicans on global warming.
http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/17...
The Democrats are more likely to give credence to the scientists on topics of global warming. Where do the Republicans get their information. From Heartland?
http://i2.crtcdn1.net/images/ed/2012/05/05/17...
Pretty pitiful when they need to resort to emotional images instead of scientific findings.

Yeah, those emotions like the ads with polar bears drifting on pack ice in the spring time and saying they're becoming endangered, etc. Or seeing a bear that drownded and blaming that on AGW. How about the glaciers calving in the spring in dramatic fashion and blaming it on AGW. Yep, it's all about the GOP being emotional. None of the democrats rely on emotions to try to get people to believe them. Nah, that could never happen, right?

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I have to totally agree with you on this one. It is truly sad that Heartland lowered themselves to the tactics of the AGW alarmists using emotion instead of science:
Kids blowing up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Polar bears falling from the sky to their deaths:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Don't forget to include this:

http://wn.com/Global_Warming_Emotional_Ad

Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:

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Hardly the same level. Heartland is a powerful organization that is respected by conservatives and shapes their values. It is apparent that they are losing their grip on global warming policy. Their attempt to distort public opinion on global warming by such a tactic is inadequate and shameful.

Oh please,....the video of kids blowing up was put out by 10:10 a worldwide organization that have many world government leaders involved, hardly just some little group. Emotional ads are constantly being put out by governments who as you are well aware are powerful organizations who constantly use propaganda to shape our values and change our behavior. Governments are the ones who have the power to do that, not some little organization that brings in about 7 million dollars. Here are just a couple of "emotional" not scientific videos put out by governments:

UK Department of Energy and Climate Change:(They have pulled the video, but you can read the article).

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/green...

UN emotional video

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

And don't forget Al Gore using emotion:

From NY Times:

"We should have no illusions about the difficulty and the time needed to convince the rest of the world to adopt a completely new approach. The lags in the global climate system, including the buildup of heat in the oceans from which it is slowly reintroduced into the atmosphere, means that we can create conditions that make large and destructive consequences inevitable long before their awful manifestations become apparent: the displacement of hundreds of millions of climate refugees, civil unrest, chaos and the collapse of governance in many developing countries, large-scale crop failures and the spread of deadly diseases."

"From the standpoint of governance, what is at stake is our ability to use the rule of law as an instrument of human redemption."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/opinion/28g...

Notice how Al uses our emotions? Everything that can go wrong will go wrong and the only way to save ourselves is by using the rule of law to redeem us from our sins.

He even wrote a poem:

One thin September soon
A floating continent disappears

In midnight sun
Vapors rise as
Fever settles on an acid sea

Neptune's bones dissolve
Snow glides from the mountain
Ice fathers floods for a season

A hard rain comes quickly
Then dirt is parched
Kindling is placed in the forest
For the lightning's celebration

Unknown creatures
Take their leave, unmourned
Horsemen ready their stirrups

Passion seeks heroes and friends
The bell of the city
On the hill is rung

The shepherd cries
The hour of choosing has arrived
Here are your tools

fishaholic wrote:

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Don't forget to include this:
http://wn.com/Global_Warming_Emotional_Ad

Ok...that was truly disturbing, giving animals human emotion and then having them commit suicide. Truly sick. We could go on and on and on with the emotional propaganda that is put out daily by the AGW alarmists. But Bozo will never get it and will always make excuses.

kristy wrote:

Ok...that was truly disturbing, giving animals human emotion and then having them commit suicide. Truly sick. We could go on and on and on with the emotional propaganda that is put out daily by the AGW alarmists. But Bozo will never get it and will always make excuses.

Do you think that Bozo is representative of old American males?
I ask the question because Nauseous tells us that most old, white males are conservative.
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I still haven't got my head round the use of politics as a weapon in the US.

kristy wrote:

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Ok...that was truly disturbing, giving animals human emotion and then having them commit suicide. Truly sick. We could go on and on and on with the emotional propaganda that is put out daily by the AGW alarmists. But Bozo will never get it and will always make excuses.

Bozo wears out the 'hypocrisy' label.

Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:

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Hardly the same level. Heartland is a powerful organization that is respected by conservatives and shapes their values. It is apparent that they are losing their grip on global warming policy. Their attempt to distort public opinion on global warming by such a tactic is inadequate and shameful.

You mean it is equate and shameful that they are using the same tactics that many alarmist have used. That they are using the same tactics that your friends have used. Then again some of what was attributed to Heartland turned out to be fabricated. Which still remains a liberal tactic.

fishaholic wrote:

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Don't forget to include this:
http://wn.com/Global_Warming_Emotional_Ad

I wonder who thought up that sick video. Of course that could never happen if what alarmist claim is true. How could a polar bear jump on to the jagged ice when according to alarmist the ice will all be gone.

Wow, Have I been chastised! LOL
While I do not support any of the sleazy U-tubes, my point is that the Heartland Institute, which is considered to be a highly respectable conservative organization by a large number of followers, stooped to this level. Terribly bad taste. There are any number of fringe organizations throughout the world, both liberal and conservative. Now we must add the Heartland Institute to the group. Sorry Heartland, you stumbled backwards and fell in it and lost a great deal of credibility.