What Divides Catholics and Protestants?

Oxbow wrote:

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Mary not a virgin forever...
Catholics teach:
James, the brother of the Lord — Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3; Galatians 1:19.
Without a shadow of doubt, he must be identified with the James of Galatians 2:2 and 2:9; Acts 12:17, 15:13 and 21:18; and 1 Corinthians 15:7.

If you read the Gospel for Wednesday, July 25, and Acts 12 you will know why Saint James Major is called the Brother of Jesus, but it's complicated and you're dumb so you'll just keep saying dumb stuff.

15th Dalai Lama wrote:

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If you read the Gospel for Wednesday, July 25, and Acts 12 you will know why Saint James Major is called the Brother of Jesus, but it's complicated and you're dumb so you'll just keep saying dumb stuff.

You did not ask your mommie to explain this to you...otherwise you would not be prattling about it..

Be a good samarian ( new word)...call the pope and straighten him out..he is teaching:

Mary not a virgin forever...

James, the brother of the Lord — Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3; Galatians 1:19.

Without a shadow of doubt, he must be identified with the James of Galatians 2:2 and 2:9; Acts 12:17, 15:13 and 21:18; and 1 Corinthians 15:7.

Nettiebelle wrote:

<quoted text>I support and believe it to be law: separation of church and state.
I do not believe any church should insist that their congregation vote for any candidate they tell them to.
I do not believe our nation was founded as a Christian nation.
I do not believe our laws should reflect the beliefs of any religious group/church.
Individual religious beliefs are find, just do not try to shove them onto our society or our laws.
Enough?

great. it's only a about a thousand years too late for the leadership of your church.

barry wrote:

<quoted text>great. it's only a about a thousand years too late for the leadership of your church.

Please elaborate.

Nijoni wrote:

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Sorry then, I just can't make sense of what you are saying.
Regarding connection that CHrist is God the Father. He is part of the trinity. Are you taking over for ITB who can't answer this either?
Yes he as well is God. He is the WOrd that was before the beginning of time.

while there is a distinction between Christ and God the Father. Christ also is God and one with the Father. he is "God with us" in the flesh. he is the babe, the son that was promised to us in Isaiah who is the Everlasting Father.
now if itb believes that then it's ok with me if she happens to be right on that point. or should i say it is ok with me if a catholic happens to believe something that is in agreement with the Bible.

15th Dalai Lama wrote:

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The Southern Baptist Convention states Jesus Christ is God of the Trinity. I've posted the link to Oxbow several times but maybe he doesn't know how to click the blue link thingy. Maybe he doesn't know when his nurse is going to change his diaper. Maybe he doesn't know anything.

maybe he can't admit that there might be something that the catholics actually believe correctly.

Oxbow wrote:

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Am not sure what you are asking.
I will respond to what I think you are asking.
From the beginning....the Holy Trinity was. At one point, the Son was incarnated and lived on this earth as the Son of God...named Jesus Christ.
This did not destroy the Holy Trinity...During the time He was on earth, the Holy Trinity was God the Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
God the Father is, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Both share equally in the Divinity of God the Father.

i think that that clears it up. if you agree that Jesus is as much God as the Father is then i guess the point has been clarified. it just gets muddied by what appears to be your enthusiasm to disagree with anything catholic.

barry wrote:

<quoted text>while there is a distinction between Christ and God the Father. Christ also is God and one with the Father. he is "God with us" in the flesh. he is the babe, the son that was promised to us in Isaiah who is the Everlasting Father.
now if itb believes that then it's ok with me if she happens to be right on that point. or should i say it is ok with me if a catholic happens to believe something that is in agreement with the Bible.

ANd this has WHat to do with my so called Imaginings of God as you put it?

There is some truth in every cult. Hardly does this give them a leg to stand on regarding Scripture.

Oxbow wrote:

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Oh!!! You mean what I have posted umpteen and 59 times?? No problemo..
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin. He honored the divine law by His personal obedience, and in His substitutionary death on the cross He made provision for the redemption of men from sin. He was raised from the dead with a glorified body and appeared to His disciples as the person who was with them before His crucifixion. He ascended into heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God where He is the One Mediator, fully God, fully man, in whose Person is effected the reconciliation between God and man. He will return in power and glory to judge the world and to consummate His redemptive mission. He now dwells in all believers as the living and ever present Lord.
Genesis 18:1ff.; Psalms 2:7ff.; 110:1ff.; Isaiah 7:14; 53; Matthew 1:18-23; 3:17; 8:29; 11:27; 14:33; 16:16,27; 17:5; 27; 28:1-6,19; Mark 1:1; 3:11; Luke 1:35; 4:41; 22:70; 24:46; John 1:1-18,29; 10:30,38; 11:25-27; 12:44-50; 14:7-11; 16:15-16,28; 17:1-5, 21-22; 20:1-20,28; Acts 1:9; 2:22-24; 7:55-56; 9:4-5,20; Romans 1:3-4; 3:23-26; 5:6-21; 8:1-3,34; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:30; 2:2; 8:6; 15:1-8,24-28; 2 Corinthians 5:19-21; 8:9; Galatians 4:4-5; Ephesians 1:20; 3:11; 4:7-10; Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 1:13-22; 2:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18; 1 Timothy 2:5-6; 3:16; Titus 2:13-14; Hebrews 1:1-3; 4:14-15; 7:14-28; 9:12-15,24-28; 12:2; 13:8; 1 Peter 2:21-25; 3:22; 1 John 1:7-9; 3:2; 4:14-15; 5:9; 2 John 7-9; Revelation 1:13-16; 5:9-14; 12:10-11; 13:8; 19:16.
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They teach: Christ is the eternal Son of God. Logic says if one, as your self, does not believe Christ is the Son of God...you are in error.
Show me where the SBC teaches that Jesus is God along with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

II. God
"...The eternal triune God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being."

B. God the Son
"...He is the One Mediator, fully God, fully man, in whose Person is effected the reconciliation between God and man. He will return in power and glory to judge the world and to consummate His redemptive mission. He now dwells in all believers as the living and ever present Lord."

http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#ii

God revels himself to us as the Father. he also revels himself to us as the Son. and then also as the Holy Spirit.

the Son of God is "fully God" not 1/3 of God or 1/2 of God but "fully God"

that is the sbc doctrinal statement.

The Lord ha siblings. Human beings. Mary was a MOther of many children. ANd Joseph the Father of said.

As if God would have her marry to be celibant. WHich goes against what the Bible says and teaches. As usual for the CC.

Their Goddess Dianna is all this is about.

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the perfect idiot wrote:

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My Question is if GOD observed the Sabbath since the Creation story, and as you have said Man change what day the sabbath is,
Does GOD have to Change what day GOD observe the Sabbath on?
Is Man out of Sync with GOD if GOD Continues to observe the same Astronomical day as GOD has since the Creation story?
It is a very Simple Question,
They only thing you have answered to this Question is by Praising my Name.
I Got it you like MY NAME, You like to tell me how great I am for CHOOSING this screen Name, GOT IT.
Could you answer the Question I asked which brought all of this?
Which is;
My Question is if GOD observed the Sabbath since the Creation story, and as you have said Man change what day the sabbath is,
Does GOD have to Change what day GOD observes the Sabbath on?
Is Man out of Sync with GOD if GOD Continues to observe the same Astronomical day as GOD has since the Creation story?
Fortunately I know the answers to these questions that all you can say about them Is How GREAT MY NAME IS.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
This is a Prophetic Verse Speaking of Some Entity that will attempt to change some Law of GOD, The 4th Commandment.
You know something Funny? Here in the USA we have all sorts of "Christian Religious" Organizations saying how GOD is going to be MAD at us for tolerance of Homosexuality,
While they themselves consider Sunday to be the Sabbath, and call the Sabbath an abomination of the Jews.
These People are SO POSITIVE GOD will be angry because we Tolerate Homosexuals,
BUT, never does it appear to them that they are Breaking the 4th Commandment, in their actual WORSHIP of GOD.
When you look at the COMMANDMENTS the first 4 deal with how you RESPECT GOD.
But these People DISMISS the 4th Commandment, and can not even address their very own Decrees, Like you.
You can not address if man changed the Sabbath as you said, Does GOD have to Change, If GOD does not change, is Man Out of Sync with GOD.
YOU said MAN CHANGED the Sabbath,
I am only asking HOW IS GOD effected by this Man Made change?
I know you like my name, I am actually the perfect idiot, thank you for the conformation, but I really do not need your thoughts or Prayers or your CONTINUAL CONFORMATION of my screen name in my life.
I know,
All you can say, is how My screen name is so great.
In other words you are Speechless.
The Perfect Idiot has rendered you Speechless to the point all you can Say is "you are the Perfect Idiot."

where do you get the idea that God has "observed the Sabbath since the Creation"? the sabbath was "made for man"

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barry wrote:

<quoted text>i think that that clears it up. if you agree that Jesus is as much God as the Father is then i guess the point has been clarified. it just gets muddied by what appears to be your enthusiasm to disagree with anything catholic.

I will disagree with anyone who teaches opposite of, or ignores, alters, modifies, misuses, etc etc the Sacred Word of God.

Absolutely....equal...

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barry wrote:

<quoted text>II. God
"...The eternal triune God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being."
B. God the Son
"...He is the One Mediator, fully God, fully man, in whose Person is effected the reconciliation between God and man. He will return in power and glory to judge the world and to consummate His redemptive mission. He now dwells in all believers as the living and ever present Lord."
http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#ii
God revels himself to us as the Father. he also revels himself to us as the Son. and then also as the Holy Spirit.
the Son of God is "fully God" not 1/3 of God or 1/2 of God but "fully God"
that is the sbc doctrinal statement.

Are you arguing that Christ is God the Father as in the Holy Trinity??

15th Dalai Lama wrote:

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Neither of those apostles is a son of Mary, the Mother of God.
Are you unable to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time?

What?
That is what I said. Neither of the Apostles named "James" you site in your post #80507 are the man identified as "James the Lord's brother" in Galatians 1:19.

barry wrote:

<quoted text>where do you get the idea that God has "observed the Sabbath since the Creation"? the sabbath was "made for man"

Genesis 2:3.

Old GT wrote:

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What?
That is what I said. Neither of the Apostles named "James" you site in your post #80507 are the man identified as "James the Lord's brother" in Galatians 1:19.

It doesn't matter what you think. The verse is unambiguous.

barry wrote:

<quoted text>where do you get the idea that God has "observed the Sabbath since the Creation"? the sabbath was "made for man"

Well from Genesis of course,

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

This in Genesis says that GOD made the Seventh day HOLY, he(GOD) sanctified it, which means he made this day a HOLY day.

The problem is somehow or another Oxbow came up with Men changed the Sabbath to Sunday, to which I asked How does GOD view this change, to which he can only respond with my screen name.

This comes about as I state there is no Difference between Catholics and Protestants other then Protestants being the daughter of the Catholic, as they Both consider Sunday to be the Sabbath, which the Catholic Church CLAIMS as the Mark of their Authority upon the Earth.

The Catholic Church claims ALL RESPONSIBILITY for Sunday Worship, and Claims all that consider Sunday to be the Sabbath their Children, They also Claim that under no authority of Scripture or GOD they (the Catholic Church) made Sunday the Sabbath as the MARK of their (the Catholic Church) authority upon the Earth.

They actually use these words, Sunday Worship is the MARK of the Catholic Churches Authority upon the Earth.

They (the Catholic Church) not only ADMIT THIS, they claim it as the MARK of them being the true Church, giving the reason that if they were not god upon the Earth they would not have the power or authority to change something so intricate with GOD as the Sabbath.

They problem is as the Catholic Church says they do not have the Power or Authority to change the Sabbath.

But all those that follow them say that they do.

It is actually very intricate, but to put it simply, Sunday worship is the mark of the beast, especially Easter Sunday.

You are all lined up with Guns to stop the Government from giving you a RFID Chip, but the truth is you have already taken the Mark of the Beast by observation of Sunday worship.

Rev_16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The Mark of the beast, is as simple as changing the Sabbath from what GOD has said to what man says.

What was the REASON behind changing it to Sunday?

Honestly, it is THIS FREAKING SIMPLE, the mark of the Beast is Sunday as the Sabbath.

The sabbath is Friday Sunset to Saturday Sunset, and this has to do with ASTRONOMICAL reasons, and I am serious, reasons like Eclipses, the rising and setting of Venus, and even conjunctions of the Planets,

which when they OCCUR at the Beginning of the Sabbath are considered Signs in the Sky from GOD,

But when they occur on a Friday night are not connected to GOD at all when Christians claim Sunday to be the sabbath.

Gen_1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15th Dalai Lama wrote:

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If you read the Gospel for Wednesday, July 25, and Acts 12 you will know why Saint James Major is called the Brother of Jesus, but it's complicated and you're dumb so you'll just keep saying dumb stuff.

The James in Acts 2:2 is the Apostle and brother of John. He is killed by Herod the king.
The James in Acts 2:17 is the James in Galatians 1:19 identified as the brother of the Lord.

Old GT wrote:

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The James in Acts 2:2 is the Apostle and brother of John. He is killed by Herod the king.
The James in Acts 2:17 is the James in Galatians 1:19 identified as the brother of the Lord.

correction;
Acts 12:2
Acts 12:17