Dan Savage's Anti-Bible Rant Only Hurts The Gay Rights Movement

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This morning, California high school teacher Rick Tuttle appeared on Fox & Friends to discuss how his religious students walked out of a journalism conference keynote address given by Dan Savage , the famed gay rights activist/columnist. Savage spoke about anti-bullying, but spent a great deal of time bashing the Bible: People often point out that ... (more)

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Since: Oct 11

Beggs, OK

#1360 May 28, 2012
Vic wrote:
Bible Verses about
Child Abuse
Ephesians 6:4 ESV / 61 helpful votes
Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.
Mark 9:42 ESV / 53 helpful votes
“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.
Deuteronomy 27:25 ESV / 35 helpful votes
“‘Cursed be anyone who takes a bribe to shed innocent blood.’ And all the people shall say,‘Amen.’
Matthew 18:6 ESV / 33 helpful votes
But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
Revelation 21:8 ESV / 22 helpful votes
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Proverbs 22:15 ESV / 22 helpful votes
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him.
Proverbs 22:6 ESV / 21 helpful votes
Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.
Colossians 3:21 ESV / 19 helpful votes
Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.
Mark 10:14 ESV / 14 helpful votes
But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them,“Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God.
Proverbs 19:18 ESV / 14 helpful votes
Discipline your son, for there is hope; do not set your heart on putting him to death.
Exodus 23:7 ESV / 13 helpful votes
Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked.
Luke 17:2 ESV / 12 helpful votes
It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.
Proverbs 13:24 ESV / 12 helpful votes
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.
Psalm 127:3-5 ESV / 12 helpful votes
Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are the children of one's youth. Blessed is the man who fills his quiver with them! He shall not be put to shame when he speaks with his enemies in the gate.
Proverbs 29:15 ESV / 11 helpful votes
The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother.
Luke 12:42-46 ESV / 9 helpful votes
And the Lord said,“Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions. But if that servant says to himself,‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful.
Actually some of those verses are so barbaric and twisted that it's just more evidence God couldn't have authored the bible. Thank you.
Vic

Lacon, IL

#1361 May 28, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me a verse that condemned child molestation. You've shown us every other verse in the bible. Now show us one that's relevant to adults being forbidden to marry a child and consummate the marriage.
Quite a number of verses condemning child abuse were posted, so you lied.

As for your new request, it is again based in ignorance and cultural values. In pre-Victorian America, it wasn't at all rare for men to marry thirteen year old girls. In most cultures that forbid sex before marriage, marriage is earlier than the current average in the USA. There really isn't much to be said for current American values on the subject. Historically, arranged marriage actually seems to have had better results as it still does in India. Commitment and moral underpinnings seem to have more to do with success that silly fleeting notions of romantic love.

You seem to be avoiding the real subject here, how horrible hateful anti-Christian bigots like you harm homosexuals in America.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1362 May 28, 2012
Vic wrote:
<quoted text>Quite a number of verses condemning child abuse were posted, so you lied.
As for your new request, it is again based in ignorance and cultural values. In pre-Victorian America, it wasn't at all rare for men to marry thirteen year old girls. In most cultures that forbid sex before marriage, marriage is earlier than the current average in the USA. There really isn't much to be said for current American values on the subject. Historically, arranged marriage actually seems to have had better results as it still does in India. Commitment and moral underpinnings seem to have more to do with success that silly fleeting notions of romantic love.
You seem to be avoiding the real subject here, how horrible hateful anti-Christian bigots like you harm homosexuals in America.
Actually, it's christian zealots harming the gay folks.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#1363 May 28, 2012
Vic wrote:
<quoted text>Are you truly ignorant enough of the Bible to be honestly posting such lies?
Acts will thoroughly explain why it's now OK to eat shrimp. A number of these things have repeatedly been explained, yet you Spam on.
Loser!
Antisemitic, anti-Christian bigot.
How CONVENIENT, things YOU like are OK now, they've been wished away. HYPOCRITE. You cannot think, can you? Are you close to climbing that tower with a high powered rifle yet?

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#1364 May 28, 2012
Vic wrote:
<quoted text>Quite a number of verses condemning child abuse were posted, so you lied.
As for your new request, it is again based in ignorance and cultural values. In pre-Victorian America, it wasn't at all rare for men to marry thirteen year old girls. In most cultures that forbid sex before marriage, marriage is earlier than the current average in the USA. There really isn't much to be said for current American values on the subject. Historically, arranged marriage actually seems to have had better results as it still does in India. Commitment and moral underpinnings seem to have more to do with success that silly fleeting notions of romantic love.
You seem to be avoiding the real subject here, how horrible hateful anti-Christian bigots like you harm homosexuals in America.
Quite a few verses against child abuse...which not ONE you can quote...odd, you know some passages so PERFECTLY.

As for child abuse...remind of us of LOT f*cking his daughters and getting them pregnant. Is that one of the anti child abuse quotes you wanted to share?

So, please, list those anti child abuse quotes, PLEASE!
The Corbomite Maneuver

Rodange, Luxembourg

#1365 May 28, 2012
FaFoxy wrote:
I posted this on this forum a few days ago, and said that this was bad for us.
You are right in one sense, but wrong in the true sense. The best thing for gays is to become an ex-gay, which is like gay detoxification.
The Corbomite Maneuver

Rodange, Luxembourg

#1366 May 28, 2012
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Quite a few verses against child abuse...which not ONE you can quote...odd, you know some passages so PERFECTLY.
As for child abuse...remind of us of LOT f*cking his daughters and getting them pregnant. Is that one of the anti child abuse quotes you wanted to share?
So, please, list those anti child abuse quotes, PLEASE!
Keep reading Leviticus and it will cure all of your ills. So, Lot was like many dad's of gays, but his daughters did not turn gays.

Lot and his daughters having sex, no that would be sin.

NEXT.

Besides, we are not dealing with incest marriages, we are dealing with same sex marriages, so stroll back to Leviticus or stroll forward to 1 Corinthians.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1367 May 28, 2012
The Corbomite Maneuver wrote:
<quoted text>You are right in one sense, but wrong in the true sense. The best thing for gays is to become an ex-gay, which is like gay detoxification.
So you think you can choose who you are attracted to? Tell me, why are you trying to deny that you are bisexual?
The Corbomite Maneuver

Rodange, Luxembourg

#1369 May 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it's christian zealots harming the gay folks.
Yup, just like the gay on gay killing by McKinney, a gay, who killed Matthew Shepard in a gay trix.
The Corbomite Maneuver

Rodange, Luxembourg

#1370 May 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
So you think you can choose who you are attracted to? Tell me, why are you trying to deny that you are bisexual?
Wrong,just like 98-99% of us, we are heterosexual, shared chromosomes from both mom and dad.

I am sorry that your dad was bisexual, your brother must have been frightened at night during his 5 to 15 year old years.

Yes, we choose our attraction, so sorry you have issues with dogs, children and dead people, but we don't.
The Corbomite Maneuver

Rodange, Luxembourg

#1371 May 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Show us where in that book it says that child molestation is bad.
Leviticus, but your mom was bisexual so you were too busy hiding form her.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1372 May 29, 2012
The Corbomite Maneuver wrote:
<quoted text>Leviticus, but your mom was bisexual so you were too busy hiding form her.
Actually, no, my mother was a bigot christian. My father was gay but did not come out until after we had all moved out of the house, he suffered in torment trying to be like you just because he thought you were right. Luckily he's no longer living the lie and pretending to be straight. I was hiding my atheism from my mother most of my childhood, by memorizing the scriptures and preaching, sadly you are just taking things out of context, it does not say anything about children. Try again. Let me remind you, no one is born innocent and you cannot become innocent until you are baptized, which for most religions that is not until after a while.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1373 May 29, 2012
The Corbomite Maneuver wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong,just like 98-99% of us, we are heterosexual, shared chromosomes from both mom and dad.
I am sorry that your dad was bisexual, your brother must have been frightened at night during his 5 to 15 year old years.
Yes, we choose our attraction, so sorry you have issues with dogs, children and dead people, but we don't.
So then there is no such thing as love.

Since: Oct 11

Beggs, OK

#1374 May 29, 2012
Vic wrote:
<quoted text>silly fleeting notions of romantic love.
Wow. I feel sorry for your wife. What do you do when she asks "does this dress make me look attractive?" Do you just tell her you've never been attracted to her so you don't know???

Since: Oct 11

Beggs, OK

#1375 May 29, 2012
Vic wrote:
<quoted text>Quite a number of verses condemning child abuse were posted, so you lied.
We're talking about child molestation. Post a verse that condemns sexual abuse of a child. You haven't yet.

Since: Oct 11

Beggs, OK

#1376 May 29, 2012
Vic wrote:
<quoted text>Quite a number of verses condemning child abuse were posted, so you lied.
As for your new request, it is again based in ignorance and cultural values. In pre-Victorian America, it wasn't at all rare for men to marry thirteen year old girls. In most cultures that forbid sex before marriage, marriage is earlier than the current average in the USA. There really isn't much to be said for current American values on the subject. Historically, arranged marriage actually seems to have had better results as it still does in India. Commitment and moral underpinnings seem to have more to do with success that silly fleeting notions of romantic love.
You seem to be avoiding the real subject here, how horrible hateful anti-Christian bigots like you harm homosexuals in America.
We don't harm America. Here's an example of how you harm America:

http://www.gayhusbands.com/

Since: Oct 11

Beggs, OK

#1377 May 29, 2012
The Corbomite Maneuver wrote:
<quoted text>You are right in one sense, but wrong in the true sense. The best thing for gays is to become an ex-gay, which is like gay detoxification.
We've had the ability to accurately and affordably test people's $exuality in a lab setting since the 1950s. And in all that time, not one person has ever been able to show that their $exuality changed during the course of their lifetime. Not from gay to straight, not from straight to gay, not even from gay to bi$exual. Not through theraputic means and not through religious means. Also, there have been tons of studies done on homo$exuality - if it was a choice there would be precursors to that choice leading someone to want to be attracted to the same gender or leading them to actually having attraction for the same gender - yet not one study has ever found any precursor or cause.

Since: Oct 11

Beggs, OK

#1378 May 29, 2012
The Corbomite Maneuver wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong,just like 98-99% of us, we are heterosexual, shared chromosomes from both mom and dad.
I am sorry that your dad was bisexual, your brother must have been frightened at night during his 5 to 15 year old years.
Yes, we choose our attraction, so sorry you have issues with dogs, children and dead people, but we don't.
Okay, let's hear how you chose your sexuality...because the straight guys I know found when they turned about 12 or 13 they were suddenly having a lot of sexual thoughts about boobs and p u $$y...and couldn't stop thinking about that if they wanted to.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#1379 May 29, 2012
Vic wrote:
Bible Verses about
Child Abuse
And still not a single word from Christ about homosexuality.

“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#1380 May 29, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
<quoted text>
All you have to do if you want to see the percentage of gays who mo1est is go to a $ex offender registry like the one for the State of Texas that lists the age and gender of each mo1ester's victim(s). You can enter even a gay-friendly zip code and pull a random sample and you'll see that well over 90% are men mo1esting little girls ONLY. 2 to 3% are women molesters. 2 to 3% are men who molested both genders. 2 to 3% are men who molested males only.
God supposedly asks Abraham to sacrifice his child. Lot offers his daughter to violent rapists. What kind of father would go for this nonsense?

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