Catholic Church Waging War on Women and Gays

June VanDerMark wrote:

I would prefer to take a devout Christian's point of view when it pertains to Wicca, than I would a died in the wool Wiccan.
Yet Bitner critisizes me for going to the following site.
"Christian Wicca"?
The Ultimate Oxymoron!
Some have even coined the questionable term "Christian Wicca". Is such a position really possible? While it is certainly important that Christians and Wiccans dialogue and are respectful to each other as human beings, we should not try and fool ourselves into thinking that Christianity and Wicca are in any way complementary. It is simply not honest to declare otherwise, as the key differences are just too vast. This brief outline points out some significant differences between Wicca and Christianity to demonstrate the reasons why they are clearly not compatible.
http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/christi...

Of course I criticize. Christian Wiccans aren't Christians. I'd have said the same if you'd gone to a Wicca site to find out about Christian Wicca. It is neither Christian NOR Wicca. Did I NOT suggest you go to a CHRISTIAN WICCA site?

Try for just a little integrity, June.

Bitner wrote:

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I have never claimed that everything you post is a lie.

I don't remember you ever claiming that what I posted was from your perspective based on any semblance of truth.

But maybe I missed that post.

:)

June VanDerMark wrote:

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And as always ... YOU would be RIGHT!
A Craft of the Wise
In the ancient times, Witchcraft was known as ‘craft of the wise’ as the wise persons were those who followed the path of nature and were in tune with its forces, had the knowledge of herbs and medicines, gave wise counsel and were held in high esteem as Shamanic healers and leaders in the village and community.
http://www.witchcraft.com.au/origin-of-witchc ...

"And as always ... YOU would be RIGHT!"

About my own beliefs? Yes, I am.

Ah, more cut and paste having nothing to so with the subject at hand. Still no surprise, Fraud.

June VanDerMark wrote:

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Then surely you can copy a little quote from a Christian Wiccan that varifies what you claim is based on truth.
It won't take much effort on your part. After all, you have a lot to state when it suits your witchy ways.

You want me to quote a Christian Wiccan I've spoken with? Why? If you don't believe me even though you haven't been able to find anything online to refute me, why would you believe hearsay? Don't be ridiculous.

I've already stated what I had to say on the subject. Christian Wiccans don't believe in the devil. That statement does come from what I've read and heard, and you called me a liar.

Again, do your own homework.

June VanDerMark wrote:

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I don't remember you ever claiming that what I posted was from your perspective based on any semblance of truth.
But maybe I missed that post.
:)

Many times over the years, I've posted agreement with something you've said. Not my fault you can't remember.

Bitner wrote:

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Many times over the years, I've posted agreement with something you've said. Not my fault you can't remember.

Not once I started studying Wicca. THAT was off "limits."

It was then that according to you I not only became a perpetual liar, but also mentally ill!

:)

Bitner wrote:

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You want me to quote a Christian Wiccan I've spoken with? Why?

I want you to prove your claims that Christian Wiccans don't believe in the devil.

Even just one Christian Wiccan's "testimony" would do.

But you won't, because you can't!!!

Bitner wrote:

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"And as always ... YOU would be RIGHT!"
About my own beliefs? Yes, I am.

Of course you are right about your own beliefs. That is no unusual for all people to be right about their own beliefs.

But you like to claim that you know what all, or at least most Wiccans believe, and that is utter nonsense, as the beliefs themselves are a hodge podge of a mess!

Survey Suggests Unwanted Same-Sex Attractions Can Be Reduced Through Counseling
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/survey-sugg...

By Jeff Schapiro , Christian Post Reporter
September 1, 2012|9:30 am
Survey results from a study conducted by People Can Change, a nonprofit organization that seeks to help people with unwanted same-sex attractions (SSA), show that over half of those who sought counseling for SSA felt their attractions diminish as a result.

According to the survey, which was released Friday, 55 percent of those who sought out this kind of counseling experienced SSA with less intensity and frequency than before they received help. Additionally, 71 percent of those surveyed said they were either "satisfied" or "very satisfied" with the counseling they received.

"Hundreds of people are telling us their counseling worked, they benefited significantly, it helped them feel better about themselves -- and in some cases it even saved their lives," said Rich Wyler, founder and director of People Can Change, in a statement.

Bitner wrote:

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Again, do your own homework.

I believe I have done much homework, while you have been busy brewing your witch's concoction ... among other things.

June VanDerMark wrote:

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Not once I started studying Wicca. THAT was off "limits."
It was then that according to you I not only became a perpetual liar, but also mentally ill!
:)

Not once have I said that Wicca is "off limits". That IS a lie.

It had nothing to do with Wicca, but with the changes in your personality.

I agree with the preacher on this one, but where we disagree is when he believes that gay relationships are sinful and offensive to a god.

I then believe he has over-indulged in his own dogmatic schemes that he is certain are based on truth, and I believe are based on nonsense.
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God Invented Sex … Charles Wittschiebe … Seventh-Day-Adventist

A husband and his wife have the right and the privilege of enjoying to the fullest every expression of sex possible in their marriage.

DayStorm wrote:

Survey Suggests Unwanted Same-Sex Attractions Can Be Reduced Through Counseling
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/survey-sugg...
By Jeff Schapiro , Christian Post Reporter
September 1, 2012|9:30 am
Survey results from a study conducted by People Can Change, a nonprofit organization that seeks to help people with unwanted same-sex attractions (SSA), show that over half of those who sought counseling for SSA felt their attractions diminish as a result.
According to the survey, which was released Friday, 55 percent of those who sought out this kind of counseling experienced SSA with less intensity and frequency than before they received help. Additionally, 71 percent of those surveyed said they were either "satisfied" or "very satisfied" with the counseling they received.
"Hundreds of people are telling us their counseling worked, they benefited significantly, it helped them feel better about themselves -- and in some cases it even saved their lives," said Rich Wyler, founder and director of People Can Change, in a statement.

Are you going to give Bitner a lecture on the evils of witchcraft. Or are you still trying to pretend that her religion, no matter how evil according to you, is better than no religion at all?

:)

And my guess is, Bitner won't critisize DayStorm's stance on homosexuality, until she does away with me.

These two are quite the pair!

:)

September 2, 2012
Homosexual promiscuity: breeding a national health problem
By David R. Usher and Cynthia L. Davis

"Marriage Equality" is perhaps the most convoluted canard of our time. Underneath the hood of the homosexual revolution churns the most serious avoidable health problems of our time.

The majority of our most dangerous sexual diseases emanate from the homosexual revolution and are transmitted to wives, infants, children, and men by LBGTQ individuals who are most often bisexual.

Bisexuals are the majority in the LBGTQ movement. Approximately 1.8% to 4% of Americans are bisexual. This broad gateway infects unsuspecting heterosexual Americans with serious or fatal diseases. The impact to heterosexual women is serious. 70% of HIV infections in women are attributed to heterosexual contact.

The impact of homosexuality on the rest of us can no longer be ignored:

Among female adults and adolescents that were diagnosed with HIV infection in 2009, 84.9% were infected through heterosexual contact.

25% of new HIV infections are women who are often straight.

HIV is the #14 cause of infant mortality (Table B). This is most often caused by women who have a bisexual husband or boyfriend.

There are about 1.2 million individuals infected with HIV in the United States. About 20% of them do not know they are infected and are spreading the disease invisibly.

Children raised by homosexual parents are dramatically more likely than peers raised by married heterosexual parents to suffer from a host of social problems.

The total death impact of promiscuity is difficult to quantify because so many other opportunistic fatal diseases are the final cause of death.

High rates of psychiatric disorders are well-known even in the Netherlands, where homosexuality is widely accepted. Substance abuse is also common in the LGBTQ community. The rest of American often bears the costs of treatment for STD's and endless psychological treatment for confused individuals.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/usher/120...

Obama facing a Tsunami of lawsuits over HHS mandate. Hey, maybe we can throw that ugly faced Ellen Barkin.. dog barkin'.. into the mix since she wished death on pro life and anti homosexual activists.

"Obama in Catholic bishops' cross hairs
No president in U.S. history has been targeted en masse in lawsuits filed by Catholic bishops and institutions till now: President Obama is facing a tsunami of suits opposing the contraception mandate in his healthcare reform law.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/09/02/Und...

Heather Surovik’s unborn son, expected to be delivered literally within hours, allegedly was killed by a drunk driver who will face no punishment, because Colorado law inexplicably leaves those not yet born completely unprotected.

She knows there never will be justice for the death of Brady, killed when Gary Sheats, with multiple DUI offenses on his record, allegedly slammed into Surovik’s car earlier this year.
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But she’s not going to be silent about the injustice.

“I realize my son will never see justice for his murder, but I intend to see that other children will be protected under the law,” she told WND.“I want to look lawmakers who oppose personhood in the eye and ask them why they think my son, who was perfectly viable, did not deserve to be protected and why they believe his killer should go free.”

June VanDerMark wrote:

And here is the same scripture in the old Catholic bible (without the word homosexual added).
1 Corinthians 6:9
Douay-Rheims Bible
Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,

You never finish the verse;

{6:9} Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: Neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers:
{6:10} Nor the effeminate nor liers with mankind nor thieves nor covetous nor drunkards nor railers nor extortioners shall possess the kingdom of God.

June always overlooks what the Bible says about Sodomites.

DayStorm wrote:

Obama facing a Tsunami of lawsuits over HHS mandate. Hey, maybe we can throw that ugly faced Ellen Barkin.. dog barkin'.. into the mix since she wished death on pro life and anti homosexual activists.
"Obama in Catholic bishops' cross hairs
No president in U.S. history has been targeted en masse in lawsuits filed by Catholic bishops and institutions till now: President Obama is facing a tsunami of suits opposing the contraception mandate in his healthcare reform law.
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/09/02/Und...

It shows that not having grown up in this country [Hawaii doesn't count] with an American heart and mind, he has no concept of what America and it's people are all about. He doesn't seem to realize that we founded a country and fought the Revolutionary War over freedoms given to us by God. He thinks governments give you your freedoms and can also take them away.