Patch's Poll: Should Schools Police Kids' T-Shirt Slogans?

Jun 9, 2012 Full story: Patch.com 63

A A A school in Wolcott violated a student's right to free expression when school officials asked him to remove a shirt that contained an anti-gay message, according to a statement released by the American Civil Liberties Union this week .

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“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

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#21 Jun 14, 2012
snyper wrote:
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Your error is that it IS a "sexual message".
The problem is in the term coined by that Prussian journalist back in the 1800s. It misdefines us solely by one criterion.
Gay is a sexual orientation. Any messages about gay, pro or con, therefore qualify as sexual messages.

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#22 Jun 14, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Gay is a sexual orientation. Any messages about gay, pro or con, therefore qualify as sexual messages.
Actually, that too, is a misnomer.

First and foremost it is an affective orientation.

By your principle, Valentine's Day candy would be prohibited. It is a message about hetero sexual orientation.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#23 Jun 14, 2012
snyper wrote:
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Actually, that too, is a misnomer.
First and foremost it is an affective orientation.
By your principle, Valentine's Day candy would be prohibited. It is a message about hetero sexual orientation.
Whether or not I agree with them, your replies generally are good and though provoking. This was not one of your better ones. Valentine candy hardly qualifies as expression and is rarely seen in a sexual context. We were discussing T-shirts, not candy, and my position was that it was better not to allow any T-shirts, pro or con on the gay issue as it is a sexual subject. Affective orientation is only another fancy term for sexual orientation as the terms are reasonably synonymous in the context of gay issues and is ammounts to flaunting your intellect without msking a valid point.

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#24 Jun 14, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Whether or not I agree with them, your replies generally are good and though provoking. This was not one of your better ones. Valentine candy hardly qualifies as expression and is rarely seen in a sexual context. We were discussing T-shirts, not candy, and my position was that it was better not to allow any T-shirts, pro or con on the gay issue as it is a sexual subject. Affective orientation is only another fancy term for sexual orientation as the terms are reasonably synonymous in the context of gay issues and is ammounts to flaunting your intellect without msking a valid point.
Did you forget to give any dying plant sex organs to your sweetie this year?

Valentine's is about hetero dating. Nothing to do with St. Valentine. lol

“ WOOF !”

Since: Oct 10

Coolidge, AZ

#25 Jun 14, 2012
snyper wrote:
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Did you forget to give any dying plant sex organs to your sweetie this year?
Valentine's is about hetero dating. Nothing to do with St. Valentine. lol
No gay dating on St. Valentine's Day ?!

(I'll remember St. Valentine's Day 1980 the rest of my life.:))

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#26 Jun 14, 2012
FaFoxy wrote:
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No gay dating on St. Valentine's Day ?!
(I'll remember St. Valentine's Day 1980 the rest of my life.:))
You don't count.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#27 Jun 16, 2012
snyper wrote:
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Did you forget to give any dying plant sex organs to your sweetie this year?
Valentine's is about hetero dating. Nothing to do with St. Valentine. lol
You are comparing apples to avocados on that one. Correction...Apples to avocados is a closer connection than plant reproduction to animal reproduction,.

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#28 Jun 16, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>You are comparing apples to avocados on that one. Correction...Apples to avocados is a closer connection than plant reproduction to animal reproduction,.
Mostly in the chromosomes, but there is another difference as well.

Most of them require the action of some party outside their species to do it.

Imagine needing the neighbor's dog to extract, carry and implant your genetic material into your wife. Or, perhaps, having to whack off into the air around her and hope that some sticks.

lol

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Since: Sep 10

I promise.

#29 Jun 16, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
Valentine candy hardly qualifies as expression and is rarely seen in a sexual context. We were discussing T-shirts, not candy, and my position was that it was better not to allow any T-shirts, pro or con on the gay issue as it is a sexual subject.
How do you feel about those chalky hearts that are always given to people? They say things like "Be Mine!" and "I love you!" They say things like "U R MY SWEETHEART." And little kids give them to each other every year on Valentines day and you aren't up in arms about that at all. No, it's only when it comes to LGBT people that you have an issue with sexual/romantic expression. We all know your modus operandi by now Badcat. So really, who do you think you're fooling here?

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#30 Jun 17, 2012
Somebody gets my point.

Heterosexual "brainwashing" goes on from birth.
CFA Rocks

El Segundo, CA

#32 Jun 19, 2012
Chick-Fil-A T-Shirts should be required school uniform.

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#33 Jun 19, 2012
CFA Rocks wrote:
Chick-Fil-A T-Shirts should be required school uniform.
I don't think they make them in XXXXL.

What would your children wear?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#34 Jun 19, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Gay is a sexual orientation. Any messages about gay, pro or con, therefore qualify as sexual messages.
So then being gay or straight is not a choice and is completely driven by sex drive.

Since: Aug 11

Fort Collins, CO

#35 Jun 19, 2012
FaFoxy wrote:
<quoted text>So you want to infringe on students' First Amendment RIGHTS. Shoudln't the schools be TEACHING about First Amendment RIGHTS and NOT violating them ???


So people should be aloud to put racist and sexiest things on shirts?? Don't you thin teacher should be educating on how stupid racism is in general? What a bunch of BS that's like people in prison crying about not gettig proper mental health care... The ones complaining are in lockdown for a reason. If someone gets raped in jail do they get to sue the government?

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Coolidge, AZ

#36 Jun 19, 2012
16 z Later wrote:
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So people should be aloud to put racist and sexiest things on shirts?? Don't you thin teacher should be educating on how stupid racism is in general? What a bunch of BS that's like people in prison crying about not gettig proper mental health care... The ones complaining are in lockdown for a reason. If someone gets raped in jail do they get to sue the government?
SCOTUS ruled in 1969 (MORE THAN 40 years ago) that students "do not surrender their First Amendment Rights at the schoolhouse door."
Brian fr Attleboro

Attleboro, MA

#37 Jun 19, 2012
I'd like to see some crucifixes with slashes across them.

“I call it as I see it.”

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Retirement City

#38 Jun 19, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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So then being gay or straight is not a choice and is completely driven by sex drive.
Where did I say anything about that? I in no way hinted that or said anything that could be construed as such. There are many differences of opinion on whether people become gay or are born gay and I was not discussing that particular issue.

Since: Jul 09

Indy/Philly/Toronto

#39 Jun 19, 2012
Schools have rules ... just like any other institution. But, the rules have to work BOTH ways. You can't protect one group and infringe on another. So, the solution is to have a dress code (yes, those were very dirty words when I went to school). It could be as simple as plain coloured shirts only, no badges or armbands, etc.
You either have to set some ground rules or make it a totally open free-for-all. It's like a lot of things in North America .... everybody wants it their way or they feel 'violated.'
Spermazoan Roulette

El Segundo, CA

#40 Jun 19, 2012
snyper wrote:
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Mostly in the chromosomes, but there is another difference as well.
Most of them require the action of some party outside their species to do it.
Imagine needing the neighbor's dog to extract, carry and implant your genetic material into your wife. Or, perhaps, having to whack off into the air around her and hope that some sticks.
lol
These impregnation techniques you describe, isn't that basically how lesbians get pregnant?
Anonymous reproduction without the valentine or roses.

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#41 Jun 19, 2012
FaFoxy wrote:
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SCOTUS ruled in 1969 (MORE THAN 40 years ago) that students "do not surrender their First Amendment Rights at the schoolhouse door."
And in the 1800s they ruled that corporations were persons with rights.

Go figure.

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