California bill would shield churches from performing gay marriage ceremonies

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Rick in Kansas wrote:

<quoted text>No dear, not 'extremely rare', the term is NON-EXISTENT. No place of worship has ever been sued for their refusal to perform a marriage, same sex or opposite sex, PERIOD.

WasteWater wrote:

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Revisionism from what point? The Bible is a self-refuting tautology. What difference does it make? Religion is all made up anyway.

WasteWater wrote:

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Mitt Romney made all his money destroying companies, communities and jobs. What do you think about Mitt Romney?

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flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>Untrue.There was the case in Ocean Grove, N.J. and there was a case when a Chatholic church was sued for refusing to rent out facilities for a gay wedding reception that made it to trial. Who knows how many attempts were summarily dismissed before they could come to trial. And I am not your "dear" and never will be to any man.

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flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>Untrue.There was the case in Ocean Grove, N.J. and there was a case when a Chatholic church was sued for refusing to rent out facilities for a gay wedding reception that made it to trial. Who knows how many attempts were summarily dismissed before they could come to trial. And I am not your "dear" and never will be to any man.

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qwerty26 wrote:

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It's time for you to put the Ocean Grove thing to rest. It was not a church, it was a beach pavilion which the church that owned it rented to the public. Period. The actual church building was miles away. They rented the pavilion to the public, therefore they have to follow state laws governing such commerce. This is common knowledge to all but the uninformed or those too lazy to look into it further than listening to and believing the offensive remarks of the poor, persecuted wingnut christians.

Papillon wrote:

Why don't the homosexuals go to mosques to tie th knot????
After all, they support islam and all their terrorist acts.

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flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>Tecnically yes, but it still was a suit against a church organization. Like I said, how many suits that were summarily dismissed as frivolous never even saw the light of day? There is nothing ominous in that proposed bill, so why worry about it?

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flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>Untrue.There was the case in Ocean Grove, N.J. and there was a case when a Chatholic church was sued for refusing to rent out facilities for a gay wedding reception that made it to trial. Who knows how many attempts were summarily dismissed before they could come to trial. And I am not your "dear" and never will be to any man.

flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>If one doesn't believe in any religion, one can justify nearly anything. If one wants to call himself a Christian, one best better live by the Bible's standards.

flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>....I do not understand the furor against a bill that reaffirms constitutional religious protections without taking away anybody else's rights.

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flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>If one doesn't believe in any religion, one can justify nearly anything. If one wants to call himself a Christian, one best better live by the Bible's standards.

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flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>Untrue.There was the case in Ocean Grove, N.J. and there was a case when a Chatholic church was sued for refusing to rent out facilities for a gay wedding reception that made it to trial. Who knows how many attempts were summarily dismissed before they could come to trial. And I am not your "dear" and never will be to any man.

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flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>If one doesn't believe in any religion, one can justify nearly anything. If one wants to call himself a Christian, one best better live by the Bible's standards.

flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>Not very much and I also question whether he is as anti-gay as he would like his supporters to believe. he is being very low key and for a good reason. He is trying to look anti-gay to the religious right while trying to look non-threatening to gay interests.
Papa Bush claimed to be an apostle of Christian values, yet he appointed homosexual judge Walker who overturned Prop 8 in California. Reagan also made secretive promises to the religious right in order not to offend others which he never followed up on. I take anything said by a politician with a grain of salt.
Most (if not all) talk out of both sides of their respective mouths and lie out of both sides at the same time.

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flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>Untrue.There was the case in Ocean Grove, N.J. and there was a case when a Chatholic church was sued for refusing to rent out facilities for a gay wedding reception that made it to trial. Who knows how many attempts were summarily dismissed before they could come to trial. And I am not your "dear" and never will be to any man.

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qwerty26 wrote:

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Our entire legal system rests on "technicalities" and being able to discern differences. Otherwise a killing in self defense would be punished the same as a premeditated homicide.
And I'm quite sure that if there were law suits that were summarily dismissed, the fundamentalists would have publicized them far and wide by now, to show how persecuted the poor christians are in this country. But the only example they ever hold up is this Ocean Grove pavilion...
And I tend to agree with you on the proposed bill - I really don't see much ominous in there either, and believe it is redundant. However, you do realize that it would serve to further invalidate one of the biggest arguments of the religious reich when they spout off against marriage equality...(the bill was proposed by Mark Leno, who is one of the biggest marriage equality supporters in the state).

dances with weebles wrote:

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wrong. christianity has more to do with following the teachings of jesus than anything written in the bible. if you want to follow jesus, then you've got to untie yourself from saul of tarsus and his lies.