Gay Panic Defense Shaping Up In Murder Of MS Mayoral Candidate

Mar 5, 2013 Full story: lezgetreal.com 17
Lawrence Reed, the man accused of murdering Miss. Mayoral Candidate Marco McMillian, appears to be formulating a 'gay panic' defense. Full Story

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#1 Mar 5, 2013
If he's guilty, I certainly hope he's convicted and executed.

Leon Czolgosz, the murderer of President McKinley, was indicted, tried, convicted, and executed all within 45 days. Why can't we have swift justice like that anymore ?

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#2 Mar 5, 2013
I thought that the "homosexual panic" defense was disallowed in courts.

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#3 Mar 5, 2013
It's not disallowed; it can't be, really. But it hasn't worked in decades. That they had an "intimate relationship" for two weeks is going to defeat it anyway. But claiming to be straight WILL allow the feds to classify it as a hate crime.
snyper wrote:
I thought that the "homosexual panic" defense was disallowed in courts.

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#4 Mar 6, 2013
When are they going to do away with this so called Gay Panic Defense. Why isn't there a Straight Panic Defense allowed?

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#5 Mar 6, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
It's not disallowed; it can't be, really. But it hasn't worked in decades. That they had an "intimate relationship" for two weeks is going to defeat it anyway. But claiming to be straight WILL allow the feds to classify it as a hate crime.
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Sure it can, and has. It's based upon dogmatic Freudian philosophy, not science. It's been debunked like polygraphs, graphology and phrenology.

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#6 Mar 6, 2013
They were in a relationship for two weeks and the murder is a result of gay panic? Maybe I need I look up this term, I guess it doesn't mean what I thought it did.

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#7 Mar 6, 2013
I was referring to the legal argument being disallowed. I realize you consider freud to be satan's brother, but the defense was not created by psychologists.
snyper wrote:
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Sure it can, and has. It's based upon dogmatic Freudian philosophy, not science. It's been debunked like polygraphs, graphology and phrenology.

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#8 Mar 6, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
I was referring to the legal argument being disallowed. I realize you consider freud to be satan's brother, but the defense was not created by psychologists.
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"Satan's brother" ? LOLOL A bit strong. He was just a pompous, pontificating, prussian-jewish poser who couldn't seem to get the point behind the scientific method, or even the distinction between "I imagine" and "empirically or experimentally proven". His lack of intellectual integrity in this last, along with that of his followers, is truly chilling; and the negative impacts they've had on peoples' lives in their undeserved capacities as "expert witnesses" and Amici Curae, is the stuff of horror films.

Psychologists are not Freudians. lol

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#9 Mar 6, 2013
Freud was a trailblazer in a field that had no rules or precedents at a time when the "scientific method" was never applied to the "human sciences." It is virtually impossible to "prove" a psychological tenet even today because of the complexity of the brain and the diversity of human experience. Even non-freudians have to admit that the field would be decades behind without his work, whether they agree with it or not.

And yes, many psychologists are freudians or neo-freudians.

BTW--what's wrong with being prussian, jewish, or a combination of both?
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"Satan's brother" ? LOLOL A bit strong. He was just a pompous, pontificating, prussian-jewish poser who couldn't seem to get the point behind the scientific method, or even the distinction between "I imagine" and "empirically or experimentally proven". His lack of intellectual integrity in this last, along with that of his followers, is truly chilling; and the negative impacts they've had on peoples' lives in their undeserved capacities as "expert witnesses" and Amici Curae, is the stuff of horror films.
Psychologists are not Freudians. lol

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#10 Mar 7, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Freud was a trailblazer in a field that had no rules or precedents at a time when the "scientific method" was never applied to the "human sciences." It is virtually impossible to "prove" a psychological tenet even today because of the complexity of the brain and the diversity of human experience. Even non-freudians have to admit that the field would be decades behind without his work, whether they agree with it or not.
And yes, many psychologists are freudians or neo-freudians.
BTW--what's wrong with being prussian, jewish, or a combination of both?
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Description is not necessarily perjoration.

"his work"? What "work"?
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#11 Mar 7, 2013
Kimberling wrote:
They were in a relationship for two weeks and the murder is a result of gay panic? Maybe I need I look up this term, I guess it doesn't mean what I thought it did.
People in Mississippi are sorta slow
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It takes two weeks of serious meditation to work up a panic

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#12 Mar 7, 2013
Don't be deliberately dense. Whether you agree with his work or not, he still put out a large body of work. If he didn't, what would you have to rail against?
snyper wrote:
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Description is not necessarily perjoration.
"his work"? What "work"?

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#13 Mar 7, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Don't be deliberately dense. Whether you agree with his work or not, he still put out a large body of work. If he didn't, what would you have to rail against?
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You mean all his writing about almost no cases and even less actual research?

He was a Prussian Jewish philosopher, not a scientist.

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#14 Mar 7, 2013
What constitutes "actual research" in a field with no precedent? It's not like today, when you can call on other studies and cases to encompass thousands of test subjects.

Chemistry started as philosophy; I guess we should toss it as well?
snyper wrote:
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You mean all his writing about almost no cases and even less actual research?
He was a Prussian Jewish philosopher, not a scientist.

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#15 Mar 7, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
What constitutes "actual research" in a field with no precedent? It's not like today, when you can call on other studies and cases to encompass thousands of test subjects.
Chemistry started as philosophy; I guess we should toss it as well?
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Naw. Just the earth, air, fire, water, philosopher's stone and humours parts.

The whole eye of newt and toe of frog part might come in handy with limb regeneration researches, but, well ...

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#16 Mar 8, 2013
This is such a sick but typical story..Beaten then burned and Not a hate crime. Then to use a 'gay panic' defense - pathetic. I used to think abolishing in the death penalty was a good thing, not so sure now...

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#19 Mar 8, 2013
Boris wrote:
Sounds like Reed didn't know the McMillan was a queer and then McMillan starting trying to mow off on him. He flipped and accidentally killed the queer. Sounds like a legitimate mistake to me. No reason to charge the guy with any crime, let alone a hate crime.
Right...Next time you go 'toe tappin' you might want to be more careful..POS

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