But not necessarily related to that child by any percentage at all.<quoted text>
That's true, but parenting does require a child and that requires one man and one woman.
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#1632 May 7, 2012
#1633 May 7, 2012
No, just the biological father, dna, maybe the child's appearance.
I've heard that some of these kids search for their biological parent for a lifetime, exhausting all kinds of time and money in the process. Could it be that the word 'related' has a different meaning in the ever evolving gay dictionary?
#1634 May 7, 2012
The first reference in Latter Day Saint writings describing dark skin as a curse and mark from God refers to Lamanites. The Book of Mormon, published in the late 1820s, states the following about a group of people who rebelled against God:
And [God] had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God; I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities." (2 Nephi 5:21)
The Lamanite nation was the original nation to disobey the teachings of the prophets in the Book of Mormon, and the Nephites were the original people to follow said teachings, though the Nephites rebel and repent throughout the book. The curse was also placed on the Lamanites' descendants "because of the traditions of their fathers",(Alma 17:15) which would ultimately "be taken from [them] and be answered upon the heads of [their] parents" (2 Nephi 4:6)
The mark of blackness was placed upon the Lamanites so the Nephites "might not mix and believe in incorrect traditions which would prove their destruction" (Alma 3:7-9). The Book of Mormon records the Lord as forbidding miscegenation between Lamanites and Nephites (2 Nephi 5:23) and saying they were to stay "separated from thee and thy seed [Nephites], from this time henceforth and forever, except they repent of their wickedness and turn to me that I may have mercy upon them" (Alma 3:14).
However, 2 Nephi 26:33 states: "[The Lord] inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come, black and white, bond and free, male and female...and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile." Although the Lamanites are labelled as wicked, they actually became more righteous than the Nephites as time passed (Helaman 6).
Throughout the Book of Mormon narrative, several groups of Lamanites did repent and lose the curse. The Anti-Nephi-Lehies or Ammonites "open[ed] a correspondence with them [Nephites], and the curse of God did no more follow them" (Alma 23:18). There is no reference to their skin color being changed. Later, the Book of Mormon records that an additional group of Lamanites converted and that "their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites… and they were numbered among the Nephites, and were called Nephites" (3 Nephi 2:15-16).
The curse was also put on others who rebelled. One group of Nephites, called Amlicites "had come out in open rebellion against God; therefore it was expedient that the curse should fall upon them".(Alma 3:18) The Amlicites then put a mark upon themselves. At this point, the author stops the narrative to say "I would that ye should see that they brought upon themselves the curse; and even so doth every man that is cursed bring upon himself his own condemnation."(Alma 3:19) Eventually, the Lamanites "had become, the more part of them, a righteous people, insomuch that their righteousness did exceed that of the Nephites, because of their firmness and their steadiness in the faith." (Helaman 6:1)
The Book of Mormon did not countenance any form of curse-based discrimination. It stated that the Lord "denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile".
#1635 May 7, 2012
As early as 1874, Brigham Young, President of the LDS Church, called for a mission to Mexico. In 1875, settlers set out with the dual purpose of proselytizing and finding prospective locations for Mormon settlements. The missionaries returned with positive reports the next year and another group was sent in October 1876. In 1877, Young discussed the idea of colonizing parts of northern Mexico, but it was considered unwise due to the considerable danger from Apache raiders in the area. Young died later that year and was replaced by President John Taylor.
Taylor continued Young's policy of missionary work in Mexico, and through the early 1880s colonization was considered on several occasions without effort to begin the process. However, in 1882, the Edmunds Act was passed by the United States Congress. This was part of the by then 20 year struggle by the US government to curb the LDS practice of plural marriage in Utah Territory and other locations in the American West. Among other things, the law felonized the practice of polygamy and disenfranchised polygamists. As a result, over a thousand Latter-day Saint men and women were eventually fined and jailed. Some were sent as far away as Michigan to fulfill their terms.
Members of the Pratt-Romney family have roots in these colonies, including both Marion G. Romney and George W. Romney having been born there.
#1636 May 7, 2012
Many Mormon settlements in the United States are in areas that at one time belonged to Mexico, but nearly all of these were already part of the United States at the time of settlement. The exception is Salt Lake City itself, which was settled in the spring of 1847 in what was at the time legally a remote part of Alta California; however the ongoing territorial disputes incident to the Mexican-American War brought the area officially under US control in 1848 as part of the Mexican Cession.
 BookMormon Colonies in Mexico is also the title of a 1938 book by Thomas Cottam Romney. The book details the story of Mormons who sought refuge in Mexico after fleeing from US authorities for polygamy. The book is published by the University of Utah Press.
#1637 May 7, 2012
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#1638 May 7, 2012
George Romney (26 December 1734 – 15 November 1802) was an English portrait painter. He was the most fashionable artist of his day, painting many leading society figures - including his artistic muse, Emma Hamilton, mistress of Lord Nelson.
#1639 May 7, 2012
Miles Romney From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search Miles Romney (1806–1877) was an early English convert to Mormonism, Mormon pioneer and early settler of the American west, including St. George, Utah. In 1837, Romney joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in his hometown of Dalton-in-Furness, England. Soon after, Romney a immigrated to the U.S. to join other Latter-Day Saints in Nauvoo.
St. George Tabernacle, designed by Miles Romney, was completed in 1876.Romney designed or assisted in building early temples, tabernacles and other buildings important to the LDS church in its early days both in Nauvoo and westward in Utah. Romney assisted in building the Nauvoo Temple. After coming to Utah, Romney sent with a group of pioneers to settle St. George, Utah. There he served as superintendent of construction for the St. George Utah Temple, the first LDS temple completed in the state of Utah. As an architect Romney designed the St. George Tabernacle and Brigham Young Winter Home and Office, the latter with his son, Miles Park Romney, both are listed on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places..
Romney designed Brigham Young's winter home in St. George which was completed in 1871. Personal LifeMiles Romney was born in Dalton-in-Furness, Lancashire (now in Cumbria), on July 13, 1806. He was the son of George Romney Jr. and Sarah King and married November 16, 1830 to Elizabeth Gaskell at Dalton-in-Furness. Miles was the grandson of English portrait artist George Romney. He was the father of 9 children including Miles Park Romney. Romney died in St. George, Utah on May 3, 1877 from complications suffered from a fall while working on the St. George Temple.
#1640 May 7, 2012
Miles Park Romney (1843-1904) was born in Nauvoo, Illinois, the son of Miles Romney. He was the president of the St. George Social Hall Company and the St. George Dramatic Association, and also served as a chief of police, attorney-at-law, newspaper editor, and architect. Romney's son was Gaskell Romney, his grandson was George W. Romney and his great-grandson is Mitt Romney. Romney married Hannah Hood Hill on May 10, 1862, at Salt Lake City, Utah. He also married Catharine Jane Cottam.
Catharine Jane Cottam married Romney as a plural wife in 1869. Her personal diaries, now published, comprise a significant record of her life and times.A polygamist, in the aftermath of the Edmunds Anti-Polygamy Act of 1882 (later amended by the Edmunds–Tucker Act, 1887), Romney, on April 7, 1885, joined a party leaving Arizona to find land outside the U.S., in the state of Chihuahua, Mexico, on which his family could settle, free from fear of his arrest. Romney died on February 26, 1904, in Colonia Dublan, Mexico.
Romney's five wives, in order of marriage, were Hannah Hood Hill, Caroline "Carrie" Lambourne, Catharine Jane Cottam, Alice Marie "Annie" Woodbury and Emily "Millie" Henrietta Eyring Snow.
#1641 May 7, 2012
Gaskell Samuel Romney (1871–1955) is regarded as a father of the Romneys, a U.S. political family. Romney was born in St. George, Utah, the son of Miles Park Romney and Hannah Hood Hill. Romney moved to Mexico when his father helped to found the Mormon colony in Colonia Dublán, Galeana, Chihuahua, Mexico in 1885. The Romney families lost their holdings in Chihuahua during the Mexican Revolution and in 1912 Romney moved back to the United States. Eventually he was reimbursed by the Mexican government for some of his losses. He married in 1895 to Anna Amelia Pratt. Romney was the father of five sons: Maurice, Douglas, Miles Pratt Romney, George W. Romney, Lawrence and Charles. Gaskell himself would be a candidate for County Commissioner 1931 as a Republican. He died in Salt Lake City, Utah on March 7, 1955 and is buried in Wasatch Lawn Memorial Park in the city.
 Extended familiesMain articles: Romney family and Pratt family
A number of Romney's descendants have became prominent in U.S. politics. Through Romney's wife, it has an ancestral link with renown early Mormon leader Parley Parker Pratt and also is linked by marriage to the Smith Family, the Matheson Family, and the Huntsman family. The Pratt family dates back to the 17th century in Connecticut, originating from William Pratt who served as a representative to the colonial legislature of the state for 23 terms. Miles Archibald Romney, patriarch of the Romney family, immigrated to the United States from Dalton-in-Furness, England in the 1840s. Aside from politics and government, their legacy extends into other professions.
#1642 May 7, 2012
George Samuel Romney (November 12, 1874 – December 19, 1935) was the president of Ricks Academy, now Brigham Young University–Idaho, at the end of the First World War. He was a key figure in helping it to survive the postwar depression.
Romney was a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He was born in St. George, Utah. When he was young his family moved to the Mormon colonies in Mexico so that his father could continue practicing plural marriage, which was illegal in the United States.
After marrying and having several children, Romney returned to the United States at the start of the Mexican Revolution, specifically to flee the disruptive activities of Pancho Villa.
The George S. Romney Building, located on the BYU–Idaho campus.By 1917 Romney was a faculty member at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. In the summer of that year Romney was appointed principal of Ricks Academy to replace Andrew B. Christensen. In 1918, the school was granted state certification. It was then renamed Ricks Normal College. By the time students returned for Fall Semester they not only had a new name, but they were now led by a president.
Under Romney's leadership the school instituted standards of dress and conduct that all students agreed to follow in 1922.
In 1923, the name of the school was changed again to Ricks College, but Romney continued to lead it in its broadened mission. In 1930 Romney was replaced by Hyrum Manwaring.
After his service as president of Ricks College, Romney served as president of the Northern States Mission of LDS Church. He died while serving in this position and was replaced by Bryant S. Hinckley.
Romney's eldest son Marion G. Romney became an apostle and a member of the First Presidency of the LDS Church. Romney daughter, Catherine Romney Cheney, later became a cloistered nun in the Roman Catholic Church. Romney was an uncle of Michigan governor George W. Romney.
#1643 May 7, 2012
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#1644 May 7, 2012
So, rider, in your own words, what's your point?
I'd be surprised if anyone here is reading the Romney family history.
Since: Mar 07
#1645 May 7, 2012
No dear, the definitions are just the same, regardless of the gender of the parents raising a child. You see, most children aren't very concerned about the types of plumbing their parents have.
That is of interest to YOU, but not a kid.
The challenges of raising an adopted child is exactly the same whether you are gay or straight. You might want to study up on it before you type--makes you seem a little more intelligent.
Some adpotees search, and some don't. It has NOTHING to do with the sexual orientation of the parents.
For adopted folks, is seems to have to do with the choices they've made in their own lives, not really the fact that they were adopted. If you are unfulfilled, you think that something outside of yourself will be the answer. For some folks that making money, for others drugs, and for adoptees, sometimes it's the phantom family they build in their heads.
And it has NOTHING to do with the parents that raised them. Most often the searcher sings their parents praises.
And most of them find that reality is quite different than the fantasies they create.
Are you trying to prove that children should never be adopted? Or that families should never blend in a divorce/remarriage situation, of if a parent dies? If so, what do you suggest we do with all of those kids?
Do you think they would be better off in warehouses? Euthenized?
What is your plan, since you don't believe that anyone should be related to anyone else legally, but only by DNA?
That's a HUGE amount of parentless chidlren roaming the streets, and families disolved at your whim, isn't it?
#1646 May 7, 2012
Are you sure? I have read reports that children with same sex parents are more likely to be the targets of bullying, especially in schools.
#1647 May 7, 2012
Where did I say that? Why are you people so quick to make up lies and then claim someone else said them? WTF is wrong with you? Do you nderstand what "biological parent" means? Why do you insist on displaying your stigma?
#1648 May 7, 2012
Do you understand the difference between "parent" and "sperm donor?"
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#1649 May 7, 2012
Isn't that the same argument they made about interracial parenting? Oh yeah, then there was the controversy about parents adopting kids whose heritage matched neither parent. Somehow, the kids in the schools adapted. It seems its the grown-ups who have all the hang ups.
Teach your kids to accept the variety of the world we live in. Then there won't be any more problems than if the kids had big feet or bushy eyebrows. Kids will make fun of anything, given a chance.
#1650 May 7, 2012
so you agree breast feeding is better, more healthy and builds bonds, but you dispute that matters when there are two dads...
so this would be raising a child naturally and again you say, that's obsolete...
#1651 May 7, 2012
there is none:
here is an article about a donor having to pay child support after the lesbians divorced...
"MELVILLE, N.Y.— A New York man who said he donated sperm to a female co-worker as a friendly gesture and sent presents and cards to the child over the years likely will owe child support for the college-bound teenager, according to a judge's ruling."
do you understand the difference "parent" and "step-parent"?
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