Church-State Divide Looms for Episcopals on Gay Marriage

"Even though the Episcopal Church has taken a liberal stand on gay issues, including installing an openly gay bishop of New Hampshire in 2003, its rules and liturgy continue to define marriage as between a man and a woman ...

The Book of Common Prayer, versions of which Anglicans have used since the mid-1500s, contains three rites of marriage ... all of which address the betrothed as male and female. Revising those rites would require the assent of two consecutive General Conventions, meaning they could not be used until at least 2012. The Episcopal Church has not revised its Book of Common Prayer since 1979, according to church researchers ...

But some Episcopalians say changing the marriage rites would violate the will of the larger Anglican Communion, a worldwide fellowship of churches of which the Episcopal Church is the U.S. branch ...

'Let's acknowledge the truth,' Robinson said.'Blessings of same-sex unions are going on in every diocese of the Episcopal Church. We know that for a fact. Sometimes with the blessing and knowledge of the bishop, and sometimes without his knowledge. What we're suggesting is that we be honest with ourselves and the (Anglican) Communion about it.'"

Let's be honest abt being dishonest?

Joe DeCaro wrote:

"Even though the Episcopal Church has taken a liberal stand on gay issues, including installing an openly gay bishop of New Hampshire in 2003, its rules and liturgy continue to define marriage as between a man and a woman ...
The Book of Common Prayer, versions of which Anglicans have used since the mid-1500s, contains three rites of marriage ... all of which address the betrothed as male and female. Revising those rites would require the assent of two consecutive General Conventions, meaning they could not be used until at least 2012. The Episcopal Church has not revised its Book of Common Prayer since 1979, according to church researchers ...
But some Episcopalians say changing the marriage rites would violate the will of the larger Anglican Communion, a worldwide fellowship of churches of which the Episcopal Church is the U.S. branch ...
'Let's acknowledge the truth,' Robinson said.'Blessings of same-sex unions are going on in every diocese of the Episcopal Church. We know that for a fact. Sometimes with the blessing and knowledge of the bishop, and sometimes without his knowledge. What we're suggesting is that we be honest with ourselves and the (Anglican) Communion about it.'"
Let's be honest abt being dishonest?

Still stuck in the 1500's joey?

Poor thing..........

MiddleWay wrote:

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Still stuck in the 1500's joey?
Poor thing..........

Try closer to 1928, or what is now Rite 1.

Joe DeCaro wrote:

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Try closer to 1928, or what is now Rite 1.

The 1928 Prayer Book, although a beautiful and very dear book to many, IS NOT the current liturgy being used by TEC.

Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:

<quoted text>The 1928 Prayer Book, although a beautiful and very dear book to many, IS NOT the current liturgy being used by TEC.

The new BCP includes the traditional language of the 1928 version in Rite 1 while contemporary language is reflected in Rite 2.

Apparently you folks in Florida don't use Rite 1 very often.

Joe DeCaro wrote:

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The new BCP includes the traditional language of the 1928 version in Rite 1 while contemporary language is reflected in Rite 2.
Apparently you folks in Florida don't use Rite 1 very often.

You're no longer a member of TEC (if you ever were) so move along troll.........

MiddleWay wrote:

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You're no longer a member of TEC (if you ever were)...

My (inactive) membership at Christ Episcopal Church, Stratford, says otherwise.

It's Episcopalians like you that caused so many to leave TEC.

Joe DeCaro wrote:

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My (inactive) membership at Christ Episcopal Church, Stratford, says otherwise.
It's Episcopalians like you that caused so many to leave TEC.

You made my day..........

Joe DeCaro wrote:

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The new BCP includes the traditional language of the 1928 version in Rite 1 while contemporary language is reflected in Rite 2.
Apparently you folks in Florida don't use Rite 1 very often.

They are NOT the same....The 1928 BOP is not used in TEC. While Rite 1 is closer to the 1928 version...it is not the same.

MiddleWay wrote:

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You made my day..........

Do you mean that DeCaro is in imposter-O? He is not even a member of TEC? This is akin to David Duke editing the NAACP threads.

My (inactive) membership at Christ Episcopal Church, Stratford, says otherwise.- Joey DeCluelss

Duke has more brains.......

Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:

<quoted text>They are NOT the same....The 1928 BOP is not used in TEC. While Rite 1 is closer to the 1928 version...it is not the same.

As I said, the new BCP includes the traditional language of the 1928 version in Rite 1 while contemporary language is reflected in Rite 2.

Joe DeCaro wrote:

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As I said, the new BCP includes the traditional language of the 1928 version in Rite 1 while contemporary language is reflected in Rite 2.

You had better look again. Side by side....The 1979 BOP is NOT the same as 1928 Rite 1.

But your discussion of this is moot. You are not even an Episcopalian.

Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:

...The 1979 BOP is NOT the same as 1928 Rite 1.

But the '79 BCP still includes the traditional language of the 1928 version in Rite 1.

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But your discussion of this is moot. You are not even an Episcopalian.

My membership in TEC remains, albeit inactive; in any case, today there are four dioceses full of former Episcopalians who still belong to the Anglican Communion.

Joe DeCaro wrote:

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My membership in TEC remains, albeit inactive; in any case, today there are four dioceses full of former Episcopalians who still belong to the Anglican Communion.

Inactive = sitting your lazy ass on the sidelines

MiddleWay wrote:

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Inactive = sitting your lazy ass on the sidelines

I wouldn't call this forum the "sidelines".

TEC will continue its STEEP decline unil it returns to the Biblical Faith, which condemns all homosexual acts.

Eric wrote:

TEC will continue its STEEP decline unil it returns to the Biblical Faith, which condemns all homosexual acts.

Mr. David Moore, You DO NOT have a dog in this fight. Butt out.

Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:

... You DO NOT have a dog in this fight. Butt out.

You have no business telling other posters they can't particpate on these forums.

Joe DeCaro wrote:

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You have no business telling other posters they can't particpate on these forums.

Then what are you doing?

God, please help Joe DeCaro to see the light. Please help David Moore to come to grips with his sexual preferences so that he can be a free man. Please remove the pain and torment that these men are putting themselves through. Please let them know that what they despise, they become. That what they hate, owns them. Please show them that Internet Trolls are modern day demons. Cast out the demons, Satan be gone.

Thanks you Lord for all of your blessing for all of your children. AMEN.