Church of England bishop says gays should 'repent'; gay groups ...

patriot wrote:

Does it matter what the Gay proponnents think of a biblically sound decision a bishop makes on how the church will respond to ant given situation? Who will ultimately be held accountable for the flock, the "stonewalls" or the Bishop? I am thinking this Bishop is reading God's Word, and sees thru the mist, a mist at his level is a fog in the pews. God will bless the Bishop for making sound decisions based on the very word of God. The Homosexuals do need to repent, and never look back.

devons wrote:

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Look, if you truly need to believe that you proved something without offering any peer reviewed studies and by jumping to conclusions....well that is your problem. I'm not about to stroke your ego and let you off the hook that easily. What kind of teacher would I be if I just let you get away with sheer ignorance?
Why the desperation?

Cfoote wrote:

<quoted text>You haven't taught my anything other than you are good at denying the truth. I just equate you to the:
11% of people that don't think man landed on the moon
7% of people that believe Elvis is alive and living in South America
Fact is as much as these people want to deny it, man did land on the moon and Elvis is dead. Oh yeah the world is round not flat too!

Cfoote wrote:

<quoted text>Since you seem to be the person with all the answer. Show me the gay gene.. You can't there isn't one..
So if interested read these studies showing no gay gene
http://alum.hampshire.edu/~kebF92/genetics.ht...
While research continues to try to determine how much, if any, of sexual orientation is genetically determined, the search for that gene is in full swing.(1993) found that the gene they'd been studying seemingly had no influence whatsoever. Structures, as the visible expression of genes, have also been studied in some detail. LeVay (1991) looked at hypothalamic differences between homosexual and heterosexual men to be followed by Allen &Gorski (1992) who did the same with the human brain's anterior commissure. Thus no gay gene!
http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_an...
When asked if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology, gay gene researcher, Dean Hamer, replied, "Absolutely not. From twin studies, we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors...not negate the psychosocial factors" (Anastasia, 1995, p. 43).[2]
No professional scientist in the last 40 years has even claimed to have found any evidence that queerness is always genetic in all cases. Even the highly publicized identical twin studies by Michael Bailey and Richard Pillard, which were so often touted as evidence for a "gay gene," never found that any more than 52% of the identical twins of queer people were queer. The other 48% of identical twins of queer men were not queer. This leaves at least 48% of the queer community unaccounted for by genetic theories. Sorry still no gay gene.
Now Left handedness
Left-handedness is the preference for the left hand over the right for everyday activities such as writing. Most left-handed people exhibit some degree of ambidexterity.[1] Left-handedness is relatively uncommon; 90 to 93 percent of the adult population is right-handed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-handedness
I know this is going to hard for you to accept but here is the proof, with the references you can look up yourself,
Left handedness is a preference not genetic
And there is no gay gene.
I've played the game , now put up or shut up!

A Christian wrote:

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You either live by the Old Testament or live by the New Testament.

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ACLU-Tom wrote:

Those of us who aren't Jewish and who aren't Christian don't live by either of those books.
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A Christian wrote:

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That correct and that is your right, just as it is my right to live by my Christian beliefs.
If the moral standards in the Bible say that homosexuality is wrong and I repeat that, why would you care?
The article was about the Christian beliefs in regards to homosexuality. The discussion was based upon what the scriptures of the Bible state, not about whether or not you are a Christian. That is your choice so why are you even in this discussion?
If your beliefs are such that any desired perverted life style is fine – so be it but do not expect a true Christian to accept it just because you find it ok.
The Christian beliefs do not change just because of a modern perverted life style where everything goes.

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dew4794 wrote:

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Again you are making up a topic that the Bible is not aware.
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A Christian wrote:

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That correct and that is your right, just as it is my right to live by my Christian beliefs.
If the moral standards in the Bible say that homosexuality is wrong and I repeat that, why would you care?
The article was about the Christian beliefs in regards to homosexuality. The discussion was based upon what the scriptures of the Bible state, not about whether or not you are a Christian. That is your choice so why are you even in this discussion?
If your beliefs are such that any desired perverted life style is fine – so be it but do not expect a true Christian to accept it just because you find it ok.
The Christian beliefs do not change just because of a modern perverted life style where everything goes.

A Christian wrote:

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The Bible, both in the Old and New Testament, includes several passages that have traditionally been interpreted to deem homosexual behaviour sinful. Some commonly cited verses are Genesis 19:4-29, Leviticus 20:13 and Leviticus 18:22in the Old Testament, and Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Timothy 1:10, and Jude 7 in the New Testament.
The New Testament refers repeatedly and consistently to homosexuality as a forbidden, detestable practice deserving of punishment by God or mankind - one that leads directly to hell and eternal torture. These passages fully agree those of the Old Testament. A born-again Christian cannot be a non-celibate gay or lesbian. According to 1 Corinthians 6, if they were truly saved, then they would be cured of their homosexuality; they would be converted to heterosexuality.
Three key New Testament passages concerning homosexuality are: Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and 1 Timothy 1:10. Of the three, the most significant is Romans 1 because it deals with homosexuality within the larger cultural context.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Another New Testament passage dealing with homosexuality is 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. " Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

A Christian wrote:

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The Bible, both in the Old and New Testament, includes several passages that have traditionally been interpreted to deem homosexual behaviour sinful. Some commonly cited verses are Genesis 19:4-29, Leviticus 20:13 and Leviticus 18:22in the Old Testament, and Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Timothy 1:10, and Jude 7 in the New Testament.
The New Testament refers repeatedly and consistently to homosexuality as a forbidden, detestable practice deserving of punishment by God or mankind - one that leads directly to hell and eternal torture. These passages fully agree those of the Old Testament. A born-again Christian cannot be a non-celibate gay or lesbian. According to 1 Corinthians 6, if they were truly saved, then they would be cured of their homosexuality; they would be converted to heterosexuality.
Three key New Testament passages concerning homosexuality are: Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and 1 Timothy 1:10. Of the three, the most significant is Romans 1 because it deals with homosexuality within the larger cultural context.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Another New Testament passage dealing with homosexuality is 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. " Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

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ACLU-Tom wrote:

When you steal content, provide a citation for it. A good bit of your post came from http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc6.h... .
Why didn't you post the rest of it? Probably because it didn't go along with your already pre-conceived bigotry. I'll post what you didn't:
Liberals: The Christian Scriptures are ambiguous on the topic of homosexuality. Paul's epistles and Jude's writing may have condemned:
homosexual orgies outside of a committed relationship, or
heterosexuals engaging in homosexual sex, or
homosexual ritual sex in Pagan temples, or
sexual rape of young boys by adult males, or
pimping, or
men raping angels.
The Christian Scriptures, in their original Greek do not contain any clear references to consensual homosexuality within a committed relationship, and certainly do not contain any unambiguous condemnation of gay and lesbian sexual activity. However, after having been filtered through the belief systems of the translators, many English versions of the Bible clearly condemn homosexual behavior. Now that the famous "anti-homosexual" passages of 1 Corinthians 6:9 and Romans 1:18 have been so long identified as being critical of homosexual activity, it would be impossible for Bible translators to offer alternative explanations; their Bible wouldn't sell.
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A Christian wrote:

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There is nothing wrong with using parts of articles written on the matter. If you don't like it so what I really don't care. You paid nothing for the information nor did I sell it or publish it, so go fly a kit.
At least you are reading about the subject matter.
The mainline Christian denominations agree with my position and only the ones who want to justify your preverted desires agree with you.
I also quoted the Bible so read it also and complain some more. I really don't care.
If you don't like what was posted attack the subject matter rather than complain about where I got the information you seemed to deny exists.

Imprtnrd wrote:

<quoted text>You really don't care? Ohhhh yes you do., else you wouldn't be in here posting. Really strange that you heteros would take the time to worry about what goes on in others lifes. Esp. when it should be of no importance to you. Waaay to much time and energy wasted. Maybe the religion forum would be better for you.

A Christian wrote:

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The interesting part is that the article was about a Church of England bishop making a statement of belief based upon the Christian scriptures of the Bible.
Most of the postings concerned what the Bible says in regards to such conduct.
Neither the Bishop or I can change the scriptures to please a person wanting to live a perverted lifestyle.
The fact that since you cannot win the discussion as to what is being posted about you then attempt to attack the poster.
As to what you do in your life. I am not going to approve of that lifestyle as being normal. I also believe it is against Christian beliefs. Yet neither am I going to hate you, make fun of you, refuse to talk to you or mistreat you in any manner.
The discussion was simply about what the Christian Bible says about the matter.

A Christian wrote:

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The Bible, both in the Old and New Testament, includes several passages that have traditionally been interpreted to deem homosexual behaviour sinful. Some commonly cited verses are Genesis 19:4-29, Leviticus 20:13 and Leviticus 18:22in the Old Testament, and Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Timothy 1:10, and Jude 7 in the New Testament.
The New Testament refers repeatedly and consistently to homosexuality as a forbidden, detestable practice deserving of punishment by God or mankind - one that leads directly to hell and eternal torture. These passages fully agree those of the Old Testament. A born-again Christian cannot be a non-celibate gay or lesbian. According to 1 Corinthians 6, if they were truly saved, then they would be cured of their homosexuality; they would be converted to heterosexuality.
Three key New Testament passages concerning homosexuality are: Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and 1 Timothy 1:10. Of the three, the most significant is Romans 1 because it deals with homosexuality within the larger cultural context.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Another New Testament passage dealing with homosexuality is 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. " Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

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Imprtnrd wrote:

<quoted text>Plus you can not change anybody. So just as mind as well, move right along. Bye!

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Cfoote wrote:

<quoted text>Just exatly where is that elusive "gay gene"?? Sorry they are NOT born that way.

BORNGAY wrote:

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Sure we are,,, if you are not gay, then you would then have NO clue... Why is the grass green & the sky blue..

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BORNGAY wrote:

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Nor the way we were created. That was GOD's choice to be who we are, not ours.