Has new name changed 'the war zone?'

Nope, nothing has changed. There are still few stray cats there, except drying on clotheslines. Dogs are usually "woked", and Animal Control still delivers every Wednesday morning @ dawn.

Warzone cuisine:
Poodles over Noodles
Moo Goo Gai Pug
Chow Chow Mein
Pug in a Blanket
Shih Tzu on a Shingle
PitBull Pitas
SharPei Shzehuan
Peking Pekinese

It will always be known as the War Zone to locals and LE and gang bangers and illegals.

The only thing that changed is the county/city tried to make that area sound like a nice place.

That will never happen.

Bluntly Spoken wrote:

It will always be known as the War Zone to locals and LE and gang bangers and illegals.
The only thing that changed is the county/city tried to make that area sound like a nice place.
That will never happen.

There are gang bangers, drugs and illegals in every neighborhood. Anyone who claims it doesn't exist in their neighborhood is lying to themselves.
I agree nothing much has changed in that neighborhood. I see it as a two fold problem. The neighborhood is not united, whether it be by fear or apathy. APD & the City, as it has done in other neighborhoods should meet with the people and address the problems and together help with solutions to clean it up. One bad neighborhood gives the whole city a bad name.

fmer505-1951 wrote:

<quoted text>There are gang bangers, drugs and illegals in every neighborhood. Anyone who claims it doesn't exist in their neighborhood is lying to themselves.
I agree nothing much has changed in that neighborhood. I see it as a two fold problem. The neighborhood is not united, whether it be by fear or apathy. APD & the City, as it has done in other neighborhoods should meet with the people and address the problems and together help with solutions to clean it up. One bad neighborhood gives the whole city a bad name.

Very true.

Like every city, town or village regardless of where it is in the USA, no matter how small has problems, be it a few misfits or a hundred in a group.

And it only gets worst as LE is really powerless to stop them from growing and the MS 13 is so big and powerful they are covering more countries than ever.

All any of us can do is our best to stay away from them and hope they don't target us.

An interesting crime map for Albuquerque. Note you can select between daily, weekly or monthly and drill down to a view of your neighborhood by panning about, plus you can click on any of the icons and for most see a bit of detail.

http://www.abqjournal.com/main/crime

fmer505-1951 wrote:

<quoted text>There are gang bangers, drugs and illegals in every neighborhood. Anyone who claims it doesn't exist in their neighborhood is lying to themselves.
I agree nothing much has changed in that neighborhood. I see it as a two fold problem. The neighborhood is not united, whether it be by fear or apathy. APD & the City, as it has done in other neighborhoods should meet with the people and address the problems and together help with solutions to clean it up. One bad neighborhood gives the whole city a bad name.

I ~think~ there have been lots of meetings which in part spawned the name change. Given the size of the area though it is readily apparent that much more needs to be done, yet there are many pockets in town that do not have an neighborhood assn so within their geographic area its probable much is not represented by such. Hence the united solution if you will. According to the news, in general the area is San Mateo to Eubank & Lomas to Gibson IIRC.

Looks like our neighborhood is boring, no crimes committed of any kind but that will change once school starts again.

Or could it be due to all the LE that lives up here?

Oh wait, they have kids too so must be that school is still out.

CornDogz wrote:

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there are many pockets in town that do not have an neighborhood assn so within their geographic area its probable much is not represented by such.

Neighborhood associations, a few egoistical people who think they have the right to speak for all who live in the boundaries of that association.

Next to homeowner associations they are just another body of dictators.

Don't have one, don't need one and when they tried to form one a few years ago were told to shove it and will again if they try again.

CornDogz wrote:

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I ~think~ there have been lots of meetings which in part spawned the name change. Given the size of the area though it is readily apparent that much more needs to be done, yet there are many pockets in town that do not have an neighborhood assn so within their geographic area its probable much is not represented by such. Hence the united solution if you will. According to the news, in general the area is San Mateo to Eubank & Lomas to Gibson IIRC.

People in such areas do not trust LE, so it is up to LE to the people of such a community to make every effort to come up with solutions. Changing the name of a section of town does not solve the problem. A lot of these areas are cheap to rent and the slumlords do nothing to improve the living conditions, nor do they care as to whom they rent to as long as they get their money. The city should therefore (City Strike Force) give these slumlords ultimatums, fix it up or it will be torn down. There are some nice homes scattered throughout the area and mixed in is run down apt buildings. In order to bring about change everyone will have to make an effort to clean it up.

fmer505-1951 wrote:

<quoted text>People in such areas do not trust LE, so it is up to LE to the people of such a community to make every effort to come up with solutions. Changing the name of a section of town does not solve the problem. A lot of these areas are cheap to rent and the slumlords do nothing to improve the living conditions, nor do they care as to whom they rent to as long as they get their money. The city should therefore (City Strike Force) give these slumlords ultimatums, fix it up or it will be torn down. There are some nice homes scattered throughout the area and mixed in is run down apt buildings. In order to bring about change everyone will have to make an effort to clean it up.

Yes, there are some, but not many when compared to all the homes within the basic boundaries. I think they're on the right track and hope they don't cave in due to slow progress. That's a large area to try and embrace.

The Safe City Strike Force is a mystery. I tried once to find a phone# for them and it seems one doesn't exist, yet the entity does. Almost like a covert organization.

Bluntly Spoken wrote:

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Neighborhood associations, a few egoistical people who think they have the right to speak for all who live in the boundaries of that association.
Next to homeowner associations they are just another body of dictators.
Don't have one, don't need one and when they tried to form one a few years ago were told to shove it and will again if they try again.

I don't have one either and in many ways you are correct. Tey the city doesn't communicate with individuals, just NAs or HO assns. I've proven that to myself several times and been told that same by some within the city structure who are in the know.

CornDogz wrote:

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Yes, there are some, but not many when compared to all the homes within the basic boundaries. I think they're on the right track and hope they don't cave in due to slow progress. That's a large area to try and embrace.
The Safe City Strike Force is a mystery. I tried once to find a phone# for them and it seems one doesn't exist, yet the entity does. Almost like a covert organization.

I think you call 311 and they connect you to the City Strike Force.

The 'warzone' will always be considered a 'warzone' until a small economic boosts happens in that area. Renovated houses, better shops, more job openings, record programs helping people with a criminal history who are serious about getting their lives straight (none of those stupid programs that are offered here in the city that doesn't help anybody) etc etc, will help clear the 'warzone's' image and help it come out of its bad state. Don't count on the government doing any of this.

Law Enforcement patrolling the streets, setting up hidden stings, and arresting the same people over and over again just wastes tax payers' money.

Also, the warzone isn't a warzone. Its just a depressed area that causes people to do illegal things. Areas in Philadelphia, Baltimore, Atlanta, Flint, and Detroit have real warzones. I could easily walk around Albuquerque's warzone and the only bad thing that will happen to me is getting mugged, or some cop trying to sell me drugs as part of his/her sting op.

fmer505-1951 wrote:

<quoted text>I think you call 311 and they connect you to the City Strike Force.

Nope, they connect you to zoning, who admits they too cannot figure out why the SCSF isn't in the directory. However I did finally get a phone# for the guy in charge that they recently showed on TV. They seem to be a stealth division or dept.

orpheusz wrote:

The 'warzone' will always be considered a 'warzone' until a small economic boosts happens in that area. Renovated houses, better shops, more job openings, record programs helping people with a criminal history who are serious about getting their lives straight (none of those stupid programs that are offered here in the city that doesn't help anybody) etc etc, will help clear the 'warzone's' image and help it come out of its bad state. Don't count on the government doing any of this.
Law Enforcement patrolling the streets, setting up hidden stings, and arresting the same people over and over again just wastes tax payers' money.
Also, the warzone isn't a warzone. Its just a depressed area that causes people to do illegal things. Areas in Philadelphia, Baltimore, Atlanta, Flint, and Detroit have real warzones. I could easily walk around Albuquerque's warzone and the only bad thing that will happen to me is getting mugged, or some cop trying to sell me drugs as part of his/her sting op.

Spoken like a true low life whose lived there and done all those illegal things.

All your post in different forums show what you really are.

I suppose you would want that kid that killed people last night set free too when he should be up against a wall and shot without wasting tax payer money for years trying to prove he did not do it or was mentally ill.

You probably belong to every special interest group there is out there.

"he should be up against a wall and shot without wasting tax payer money for years trying to prove he did not do it or was mentally ill."
Ah, a vigilante -- NOTE: Civilized society has Laws to counter "justice" such as you suggest, and these must be followed whether you (and those like you) like them or not -- apparently you would have anarchy as your "law." Try the mid-East for laws agreeing with yourself. Maybe its time for you to move?

dpb wrote:

"he should be up against a wall and shot without wasting tax payer money for years trying to prove he did not do it or was mentally ill."
Ah, a vigilante -- NOTE: Civilized society has Laws to counter "justice" such as you suggest, and these must be followed whether you (and those like you) like them or not -- apparently you would have anarchy as your "law." Try the mid-East for laws agreeing with yourself. Maybe its time for you to move?

I'm totally aware of such laws DBP, I am not a vigilante type person but I am not one for wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars on such people either.

The news has been playing this up all morning for more reasons than I wish to state but one is most news agencies are "anti-gun" and by keeping this going it is really brainwashing people into thinking get rid of those gun nuts etc.

Any bets President Obama will go there and than once gone will have his hence people speak of reasons to do away with the Second Amendment?

It would not be done directly but sly of hand ways, like right now Hillary is talking with the UN to stop all ownership of private guns. Yup something Obama said he wants when he was running for the top job.

Something Billy boy Clinton wanted too.

DBP, for your information I am fully aware that any death penalty ruling is an automatic appeal to higher courts all the ways up to the Supreme Court. That gives the low lifer 10 plus more years of life while families of the deceased get no closure.

I heard all this Obama/anti-gun BS last election -- The NRA and those like that put out the BS to increase their $$$-- nothing more. He hasn't done a single thing to "take away your guns, in fact the Second Ammendment was declared the Law of the Land by the Supreme Court. Name one thing Obama's changed in relationship to your/my gun ownership.

Bluntly Spoken wrote:

Spoken like a true low life whose lived there and done all those illegal things.
All your post in different forums show what you really are.
I suppose you would want that kid that killed people last night set free too when he should be up against a wall and shot without wasting tax payer money for years trying to prove he did not do it or was mentally ill.
You probably belong to every special interest group there is out there.

No, I've just been to the flea market, clubs, and various stores in that area at different times of the day/night. The 'warzone' isn't the same kind of area it was in 2005. You can see middle school and high school students walking around there with no problem. You're just an ignorant person who wants the government to take care of everybody when it should be the people taking care of themselves and others.

dpb wrote:

I heard all this Obama/anti-gun BS last election -- The NRA and those like that put out the BS to increase their $$$-- nothing more. He hasn't done a single thing to "take away your guns, in fact the Second Ammendment was declared the Law of the Land by the Supreme Court. Name one thing Obama's changed in relationship to your/my gun ownership.

Only partly true, he personally says nothing, he has as I already said henchpeople doing his talking.

And as I said Hillary is 100% for signing the UN agreement on banning ALL PRIVATE ownership of firearms, be it a hand gun or rifle.

And Obama has said he is all for that.

One need not personally say a word to get their point across, all one has to do is have others say it for them.

You mention the NRA, are you aware they do more good for the cause of gun safety? Classes that teach young people the proper use of guns, how to handle them, how they can be dangerous etc.

Are you aware most Democrats want an end to all those type of classes as well as other good causes if the word "gun" is involved? Yes some Republicans are also against such good work.