Why they hate us: How many Muslims killed by U.S. in last 30 years?

Why they hate us (II): How many Muslims has the U.S. killed in the past 30 years?

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/11/3 ...

""Here's my back-of-the-envelope analysis, based on estimates deliberately chosen to favor the United States. Specifically, I have taken the low estimates of Muslim fatalities, along with much more reliable figures for U.S. deaths.

To repeat: I have deliberately selected "low-end" estimates for Muslim fatalities, so these figures present the "best case" for the United States. Even so, the United States has killed nearly 30 Muslims for every American lost. The real ratio is probably much higher, and a reasonable upper bound for Muslim fatalities (based mostly on higher estimates of "excess deaths" in Iraq due to the sanctions regime and the post-2003 occupation) is well over one million, equivalent to over 100 Muslim fatalities for every American lost.

Given our generous and unconditional support for Israel's policy towards the Arab world in general and the Palestinians in particular, Muslims rightly hold us partly responsible for those victims too.

Contrary to what Friedman thinks, our real problem isn't a fictitious Muslim "narrative" about America's role in the region; it is mostly the actual things we have been doing in recent years. To say that in no way justifies anti-American terrorism or absolves other societies of responsibility for their own mistakes or misdeeds. But the self-righteousness on display in Friedman's op-ed isn't just simplistic; it is actively harmful. Why? Because whitewashing our own misconduct makes it harder for Americans to figure out why their country is so unpopular and makes us less likely to consider different (and more effective) approaches.

Some degree of anti-Americanism may reflect ideology, distorted history, or a foreign government's attempt to shift blame onto others (a practice that all governments indulge in), but a lot of it is the inevitable result of policies that the American people have supported in the past. When you kill tens of thousands of people in other countries -- and sometimes for no good reason -- you shouldn't be surprised when people in those countries are enraged by this behavior and interested in revenge. After all, how did we react after September 11? ""

2 words...allah's will

The fact remains that more Muslims are killed by Muslims that by the US.

People die in war and Muhammad declared war against every non-Muslim unless they bent to his megalomania.

The Islamics should have thought of the results of their martyr's 9-11 escapades and stop gripping that the USA has retaliated.

Should have written "griping."

Passers by wrote:

Why they hate us (II): How many Muslims has the U.S. killed in the past 30 years?
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/11/3 ...
""Here's my back-of-the-envelope analysis, based on estimates deliberately chosen to favor the United States. Specifically, I have taken the low estimates of Muslim fatalities, along with much more reliable figures for U.S. deaths.
To repeat: I have deliberately selected "low-end" estimates for Muslim fatalities, so these figures present the "best case" for the United States. Even so, the United States has killed nearly 30 Muslims for every American lost. The real ratio is probably much higher, and a reasonable upper bound for Muslim fatalities (based mostly on higher estimates of "excess deaths" in Iraq due to the sanctions regime and the post-2003 occupation) is well over one million, equivalent to over 100 Muslim fatalities for every American lost.
Given our generous and unconditional support for Israel's policy towards the Arab world in general and the Palestinians in particular, Muslims rightly hold us partly responsible for those victims too.
Contrary to what Friedman thinks, our real problem isn't a fictitious Muslim "narrative" about America's role in the region; it is mostly the actual things we have been doing in recent years. To say that in no way justifies anti-American terrorism or absolves other societies of responsibility for their own mistakes or misdeeds. But the self-righteousness on display in Friedman's op-ed isn't just simplistic; it is actively harmful. Why? Because whitewashing our own misconduct makes it harder for Americans to figure out why their country is so unpopular and makes us less likely to consider different (and more effective) approaches.
Some degree of anti-Americanism may reflect ideology, distorted history, or a foreign government's attempt to shift blame onto others (a practice that all governments indulge in), but a lot of it is the inevitable result of policies that the American people have supported in the past. When you kill tens of thousands of people in other countries -- and sometimes for no good reason -- you shouldn't be surprised when people in those countries are enraged by this behavior and interested in revenge. After all, how did we react after September 11? ""

Excellent post Passers by... Very informative....

Az Zaqqum wrote:

2 words...allah's will

:)

And I must add...who cares if 'they' hate us? They started this mess and we will end it.

Passers by wrote:

Why they hate us (II): How many Muslims has the U.S. killed in the past 30 years?
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/11/3 ...
""Here's my back-of-the-envelope analysis, based on estimates deliberately chosen to favor the United States. Specifically, I have taken the low estimates of Muslim fatalities, along with much more reliable figures for U.S. deaths.
To repeat: I have deliberately selected "low-end" estimates for Muslim fatalities, so these figures present the "best case" for the United States. Even so, the United States has killed nearly 30 Muslims for every American lost. The real ratio is probably much higher, and a reasonable upper bound for Muslim fatalities (based mostly on higher estimates of "excess deaths" in Iraq due to the sanctions regime and the post-2003 occupation) is well over one million, equivalent to over 100 Muslim fatalities for every American lost.
Given our generous and unconditional support for Israel's policy towards the Arab world in general and the Palestinians in particular, Muslims rightly hold us partly responsible for those victims too.
Contrary to what Friedman thinks, our real problem isn't a fictitious Muslim "narrative" about America's role in the region; it is mostly the actual things we have been doing in recent years. To say that in no way justifies anti-American terrorism or absolves other societies of responsibility for their own mistakes or misdeeds. But the self-righteousness on display in Friedman's op-ed isn't just simplistic; it is actively harmful. Why? Because whitewashing our own misconduct makes it harder for Americans to figure out why their country is so unpopular and makes us less likely to consider different (and more effective) approaches.
Some degree of anti-Americanism may reflect ideology, distorted history, or a foreign government's attempt to shift blame onto others (a practice that all governments indulge in), but a lot of it is the inevitable result of policies that the American people have supported in the past. When you kill tens of thousands of people in other countries -- and sometimes for no good reason -- you shouldn't be surprised when people in those countries are enraged by this behavior and interested in revenge. After all, how did we react after September 11? ""

Agreed Passers by

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Az Zaqqum wrote:

2 words...allah's will

May be this can be another islamic joke in your that 'famous' humor book!

Trisha wrote:

<quoted text>
:)
And I must add...who cares if 'they' hate us? They started this mess and we will end it.

Can you?

Wilberhum wrote:

The fact remains that more Muslims are killed by Muslims that by the US.
People die in war and Muhammad declared war against every non-Muslim unless they bent to his megalomania.

Your post sounds quite familiar when read with some replaced words:

...People die in war and 'USA' declared war against every non-USA unless they bent to its megalomania.

If we add the total muslims killed in 20 year Afghan-Soviet war and those of 8 year Iran-Iraq war, list of Muslims killed to serve US interest would be far bigger.

These two wars were also designed by US warmongers for its global and regional domination. Fools see only the puppets, but wises can see the Mentor behind those.

.. 10years Afghan-Soviet war...

Throughout its history after the world wars, USA always promoted wars and fears worldwide to flourish market of its arms industry. This arms profit makes it bigger, and makes nations of the world sucked up and ruined..

A must see:

Iraq war Planned in 1998: PNAC letter to Bill Clinton

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

PNAC: You have got to see this! It is WILD!

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

MUST SEE!!

PNAC and the NEOCONs: wanted a new Pearl Harbor before 9/11!

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The Muslims never needed any excuse to hate America and kill Americans. Muslim carry Islam like a festering hemorrhoid. Everytime you kick their butt they howl with rage.

What is PNAC?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_...

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that lasted from early 1997 to 2006. It was co-founded as a non-profit educational organization by neoconservatives William Kristol and Robert Kagan. The PNAC's stated goal was "to promote American global leadership." Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity." The PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War.

"End of the organization"

By the end of 2006, PNAC was "reduced to a voice-mail box and a ghostly website", with "a single employee" "left to wrap things up", according to the BBC News. According to Tom Barry, "The glory days of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) quickly passed." In 2006, Gary Schmitt, former executive director of the PNAC, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and director of its program in Advanced Strategic Studies, stated that PNAC had come to a natural end:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_...