Atheists on the march in America

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When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Since: Mar 08

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#63496 Jul 16, 2012
John wrote:
Silly Borg and his nothing. My claims have all proved true. For instance you have no accountable position. No evidence. No rational/logical way to quantify evidence in this arena. Many more as well. Care to show otherwise Lmao?
Define your nothing and I will debate it vs a prime mover. You loons don't expect people to debate nothing do you? Have you any answers for your incessant hypocrisy?
A forum of NOTHING is incredibly ridiculous for rational thinkers. Stop wasting my time. No accountable position. No debate.
Holding your breadth 'till you turn blue will still not get the debate parameters changed. This is the root of your silliness..."I" have made no claim, YOU have. You claim an "accountable" position, yet you can NOT show it to be "accountable"...henc e your argument fails a'borning. Present your evidence and then we can finally begin...it is all on you, goofy.

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#63497 Jul 16, 2012
John wrote:
In my opinion there is. Now do your part.
Your opinion does not matter & is NOT evidence. You are not done with "your part"....

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#63498 Jul 16, 2012
John wrote:
Is it you cannot even make up an accountable position that meets your criteria for evidence or you realize there are numerous and credible reasons to believe in a prime mover?
Until you present actual *evidence* for a prime mover, then there is no credible reason to believe in one.

Do you plan to present such evidence, or do you plan to admit that you don't have any?

Since: Aug 08

Atlanta, GA

#63499 Jul 16, 2012
John wrote:
I would be flattered your forum is so reliant on me, well, if it wasn't this forum. Anyway, you weren't saying?
What's the difficulty here. Is it you cannot even make up an accountable position that meets your criteria for evidence or you realize there are numerous and credible reasons to believe in a prime mover?
One would think the poster boy of hypocrisy would understand how to appropriately apply the term. Maybe that was giving you too much credit. After all, you can't even post what you believe.
My, my, you are the gift that keeps on not giving.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
Hey stumpy, still trolling like you have been for years. You are a character, for sure. Up your pump, stump!
John

United States

#63500 Jul 16, 2012
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle thought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence DREW, Curious, Mikey,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 60,990 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards![
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#63501 Jul 16, 2012
John wrote:
....... you realize there are numerous and credible reasons to believe in a prime mover?
Unfortunately there are not numerous reasons and of the few, none that are credible.

The main reason to believe in a prime mover is because you are too childish to let go of fairy tale beliefs in deities but need to find 'grownup' language as an alternative to "I want my binkie".

The reason that no belief in a prime mover is credible is a combination of overwhelming evidence of a completely natural universe, a complete lack of objective evidence of a 'prime mover' and a simple logical conundrum. If a prime mover is required to 'create something from nothing' or 'create something so complex as a universe' then the immediate problem is what created the prime mover, and what created that creator, ad infinitum. Have fun down that rabbit hole.

Since: Aug 08

Atlanta, GA

#63502 Jul 16, 2012
John wrote:
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle thought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence DREW, Curious, Mikey,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 60,990 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards![
Stump = Troll = Spam!

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#63503 Jul 16, 2012
John wrote:
In my opinion there is. Now do your part. This claim was made in response to the bigoted and baseless attacks from you loons. I offered to debate the evidences and reasons for my belief in a prime mover vs any other accountable position. You have nothing to debate. Blame yourself.
You have no shame to keep coming back with nothing after me exposing you and backing up my claims.
Nothing again from the atheists in an atheism forum. You also skipped my questions Drew.
What do you believe Drew? Stumped?
You offer to debate, but you never do.
So, again, let me state my accountable position.
1. If god exists there is evidence of his existence.
2. There is no evidence of his existence.
3. God does not exist.

So, John, let's go for it. Debate.
Let's start with point 1.
Do you agree with it? Notice, in point 1, I'm not saying there is or isn't evidence for god's existence.
And this is the last time I'm asking. If you don't debate this time, I'm done with you. I'm not even going to bother to let lurkers know you refuse to debate.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#63504 Jul 17, 2012
He doesn't debate and he's not open to changing his view.

He is content to continue to lie both to himself and others with no evidence or justification for his bullsh*t. Pretty much like all theists when it comes down to it.

It's sad that we simply can't trust 90% of the world's population thanks to mental illness.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#63506 Jul 18, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
He doesn't debate and he's not open to changing his view.
He is content to continue to lie both to himself and others with no evidence or justification for his bullsh*t. Pretty much like all theists when it comes down to it.
It's sad that we simply can't trust 90% of the world's population thanks to mental illness.
Yeah right.... you 10%(8% actually) have it all figured out, the rest of the world is crazy. THAT is lunacy.
Atheist Silurist

London, UK

#63507 Jul 18, 2012
mdbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah right.... you 10%(8% actually) have it all figured out, the rest of the world is crazy. THAT is lunacy.
What is the percentage of people that follow your brand of religion?
My guess is you only think your religion is true and all others are false.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#63508 Jul 18, 2012
Atheist Silurist wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the percentage of people that follow your brand of religion?
My guess is you only think your religion is true and all others are false.
Guess again. The various religions, despite individual characteristics, all believe in a Supreme Architect.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#63510 Jul 19, 2012
mdbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah right.... you 10%(8% actually) have it all figured out, the rest of the world is crazy. THAT is lunacy.
When you grow enough balls to be honest and present evidence for your half baked-opinions, you are more than welcome to join the 10% of sane people on the planet, in fact we'd love to have you.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#63511 Jul 19, 2012
mdbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>
Guess again. The various religions, despite individual characteristics, all believe in a Supreme Architect.
So you believe that all religions are true and that they have no contradictions?

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#63512 Jul 19, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
When you grow enough balls to be honest and present evidence for your half baked-opinions, you are more than welcome to join the 10% of sane people on the planet, in fact we'd love to have you.
Your interest in my balls has nothing to do with it. Be that as it may; believers are surrounded with proof, if that's what you're looking for, you know what to do.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#63513 Jul 19, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
So you believe that all religions are true and that they have no contradictions?
How a person or a group of people attain spiritual gratification is no concern of mine. If you feel threatened by one's path to personnel enlightenment, I suggest you focus on your own demons and don't complicate your life worrying about how others live theirs.
Isaac Asimov

Oak Grove, KY

#63514 Jul 19, 2012
No, all religions believe in magic space wizards with penis wands that they can wave and simply -will- something into existence. That's not the same thing as an architect at all.

Believers are surrounded with their interpretation of proof. A guy with cancer going to the hospital and coming out cured of cancer is proof of a God to them.

Their proof is often their own mislabeled, misconstrued attempt to find divinity in every day science.
Atheist Silurist

London, UK

#63515 Jul 19, 2012
mdbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>
Guess again. The various religions, despite individual characteristics, all believe in a Supreme Architect.
Does believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the rainbow serpent count?
Atheist Silurist

London, UK

#63516 Jul 19, 2012
mdbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>
How a person or a group of people attain spiritual gratification is no concern of mine. If you feel threatened by one's path to personnel enlightenment, I suggest you focus on your own demons and don't complicate your life worrying about how others live theirs.
Believing impossible things is not enlightenment,and teaching school children old testament gibberish as science is next to criminal.
"spiritual gratification"can be achieved by taking powerful hallucinogenic drugs,but it's not advisable,in the same way as letting yourself be brainwashed into yearning for an imaginary afterlife.People do terrible things for the promise of heaven,and they are willing to take as many people with them as possible.
It sickens me to the stomach the way the crackpot end timers seem to relish the thought of Armageddon,and they are not small in number,there are fcuking millions of them,chrisian,muslim and jew.
The biggest threat to humanity is religious bullshit.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#63518 Jul 19, 2012
Atheist Silurist wrote:
<quoted text>
Does believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the rainbow serpent count?
Well, I suppose. When do you meet and what are the tenets that attracted you?

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