Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches

Rose_NoHo wrote:

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Reported. Now get over me.

What are you talking about?

Get That Fool wrote:

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Another one playing 20 questions......
I'm not going throught this nonsense with you too......
You all will just have to accept the fact that homosexuality is an 'abomination' to GOD as it states in the Bible, and none of your Bible games will change that.....

Didn't Jesus always answer a question with a question?

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>None define marriage as anything other than male/female. Feel free to cite any holy scripture that describe marriage as same sex.

Biblical marriage neither exists nor applies to civil law in the United States today.

Get That Fool wrote:

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HE never said anything like that you liar!!!

it's a direct quote from the gospel... like i said, you've never read your bible, huh.

Get That Fool wrote:

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I know you all like to just 'change' definitions...but 'abomination' is pretty straight forward, and is no way mistaken for 'condoning' homosexuality....

do you really want me to quote the torah for you again? the word 'abomination' never was mentioned in the torah. the word used was 'towáveh', which means taboo, as in unclean in the temple.

the leviticus quote also had nothing at all to do with homosexuality... neither did the other leviticus quote. are you going to make me quote the entire study for you again, or are you just going to take it as rote?

dances with weebles wrote:

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do you really want me to quote the torah for you again? the word 'abomination' never was mentioned in the torah. the word used was 'towáveh', which means taboo, as in unclean in the temple.
the leviticus quote also had nothing at all to do with homosexuality... neither did the other leviticus quote. are you going to make me quote the entire study for you again, or are you just going to take it as rote?

That's correct. It is also what the Rabbi told me. He knows more about the Bible than these cafeteria Christians.

“Our daughter Mary and her long time partner, Heather Poe, were married today in Washington, DC...Mary and Heather have been in a committed relationship for many years, and we are delighted that they were able to take advantage of the opportunity to have that relationship recognized,” the Cheneys said.“Mary and Heather and their children are very important and much loved members of our family and we wish them every happiness.”

http://lezgetreal.com/2012/06/mary-cheney-wed...

If I may quote you with an emphasis added for the whiners...

WasteWater wrote:

“Our daughter Mary and her long time partner, Heather Poe, were MARRIED today in Washington, DC...

The weren't "civil-unioned." They were married. Congrats to the new married couple.

Nytebreid wrote:

If I may quote you with an emphasis added for the whiners...
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The weren't "civil-unioned." They were married. Congrats to the new married couple.

Some of the most powerful Republicans were just married.

The writing is on the wall folks.

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>If the people express their political will, that's freedom.
Sucks to be a supporter of same sex marriage that relies on unaccountable activist courts to get what you can't win at the voting booth.

"unaccountable activist courts"? Yet you do exactly that every time you bring up SCOTUS!

Maybe you were asleep at the time but in most of the recent cases where States passed Marriage equality, courts were NOT the reason!

You're so funny. You whine when a judge rules against your bigotry and segregationist tactics and cheer when an activist governor ignores the will of the people and vetoes legislation because they want to hear the "will of the people".

Get That Fool wrote:

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Just like your studies compared two ss parents to single parent homes...so don't go there....

The studies I know of did NOT do that. The Canadian Government's study was one of the first studies done. It compared long term relationships in both gay and straight groups, NOT single family homes.

The results were so counter to conventional wisdom the study was suppressed for several years. Not because of any flaws but because the results didn't match with the ones they expected.

Get That Fool wrote:

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Oh please stop lying...the only studies put up to show ss parenting is no different from mom/dad parenting are studies based on self-reporting lesbian couples, and the children are usually at a very young age...that's not proof of anything...

Clueless misinformed BS

Study: Same-sex couples just as good, if not better, at parenting

Parenting by same-sex families is just as good -- if not slightly advantageous -- for children when compared to heterosexual families, a Justice Department study has concluded.

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story....

Understanding resilience in same-sex parented families: the work, love, play study
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/10/115

DNF wrote:

<quoted text>Clueless misinformed BS
Study: Same-sex couples just as good, if not better, at parenting
Parenting by same-sex families is just as good -- if not slightly advantageous -- for children when compared to heterosexual families, a Justice Department study has concluded.
http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story....
Understanding resilience in same-sex parented families: the work, love, play study
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/10/115

An even more obvious problem with Fool's fallacy is the fact that extending marriage protections to same-sex families will have no impact on any of those things she holds so dear. For example, people will still get divorced. Same-sex couples will still raise children, and so will single parents, foster parents etc. Inclusion of approximately 1% of people into the marriage category cannot have any significant impact. The bottom line is it's a "sky is falling" fantasy.

DNF wrote:

<quoted text>The studies I know of did NOT do that. The Canadian Government's study was one of the first studies done. It compared long term relationships in both gay and straight groups, NOT single family homes.
The results were so counter to conventional wisdom the study was suppressed for several years. Not because of any flaws but because the results didn't match with the ones they expected.

The fact is, for children to thrive, they have the same needs as all people. Those have been well outlined as Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

Basic needs: Food and shelter
Children cannot acquire their own food or sustain any reasonable shelter. The initial responsibility of their parents or carers is this to provide a roof over their heads and food in their stomachs.

Physical safety:
Children cannot protect themselves from aggressive adults (and other, stronger, children). They thus need others to provide physical safety, keeping them from harm and defending them when they are threatened or attacked.

Emotional security:
As their minds are developing, there is much that children do not understand and even the most innocent situations can be deeply distressing.

Developmental needs:
Beyond the basic needs, in order to become functioning members of society, children need support in developing and learning important and useful skills.

Social skills:
Children develop into people who must live and work with others. For this they need to learn the rules of society. They need to be able to communicate their ideas and desires. They need to persuade and change minds.

Career abilities:
To become functioning adults, children need to learn all kinds of things, both at school and outside -- many abilities that are useful in developing careers are not taught at school.
This can be very much an exploratory activity as children discover their talents and the things that motivate them (unsurprisingly, these often overlap).

Internal skills:
Children also need to learn to be happy in themselves and to cope with the difficulties and traumas of life. They thus need to learn self-confidence and emotional maturity.

http://changingminds.org/explanations/needs/c...

The fact of the matter is, many gay and lesbian couples are in a better position to provide for the need of children than many opposite-sex couples.

Investing in black owned banks?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Sounds like a plan to me.

LION wrote:

Investing in black owned banks?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Sounds like a plan to me.

Yes, a plan to perpetuate the racial divide in this country.

LION wrote:

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Well, not to sound arrogant but I really do try to see both sides of each topic.

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TTUVKA5GHFN7O...

Yes, the "black" side,
....and the "racist white devil" side.

Stop lying now, before I decide to put some effort into this and shame you completely off the forum.

Quest wrote:

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You are aware that your SAME argument was used to deny interracial couples the right to marry, right?
It was as illogical then as it is now.
The right to only marry someone you cannot be attracted to and cannot love is no "right" at all. And you know it.
So why bother to post this sort of thing?

I take offense to that statement. Same sex marriage and interrraceal marriage have nothing in common.

freethinker1957 wrote:

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I take offense to that statement. Same sex marriage and interrraceal marriage have nothing in common.

Ever heard of fundamental rights?

How about liberty?

freethinker1957 wrote:

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I take offense to that statement. Same sex marriage and interrraceal marriage have nothing in common.

They actually have more in common than you want to believe!!!!

Oh and the comments used over 40 years ago to try and deny interracial couples from having the right to marry, are now the same comments used to try and prevent Same-Sex Couples from having a right to marry the person of their choosing!!!

WasteWater wrote:

“Our daughter Mary and her long time partner, Heather Poe, were married today in Washington, DC...Mary and Heather have been in a committed relationship for many years, and we are delighted that they were able to take advantage of the opportunity to have that relationship recognized,” the Cheneys said.“Mary and Heather and their children are very important and much loved members of our family and we wish them every happiness.”
http://lezgetreal.com/2012/06/mary-cheney-wed...

Congrats to the marriage and I do recommend a great honeymoon place for them is Iran or Uganda (^_^)