Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

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Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.
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Yea only 42 billion in revenue losses the next 4 yrs , govt at its finest efficiency
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The NEXT 4 years ??? LMAOROTFu~! I love your position as NOW a soothsayer.... Geez, you extend YOUR stupidity to NEW LOWS ~! Probably unaware, it's a contract year and the rhetoric is called negotiations...
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Citing Losses, Postal Service Seeks Higher Stamp Prices

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: February 16, 2012

WASHINGTON — Mired in red ink, the United States Postal Service is warning it will lose as much as $18.2 billion a year by 2015 unless Congress grants it leeway to eliminate Saturday delivery, slow first-class mail by one day and raise the price of a postage stamp by as much as 5 cents.

In a letter to Congress, Patrick Donahoe, the postmaster general, described an updated five-year cost-cutting plan put together in coordination with a Wall Street adviser, Evercore Partners. It reiterates many of the mail agency’s proposals to switch to a five-day delivery schedule, raise stamp prices and close about 252 mail-processing centers and 3,700 local post offices.

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Any moron knows the Postal Service is a govt run entity,

Anyway let's discuss the issues like climategate, climate change, cap n trade, Inconvenient Truth fact or fiction.
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Neadrethal,

Climategate was a far right wing fantasy, Al Gore won a Nobel peace prize for the most important documentary in the last 100 yrs, cap n trade is vital for planet salvation though its needs to go further in banning the combustion engine,

All this is undeniable

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never trust the russians..and every time al gore spouts from his blow hole ...the globe warms
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Neadrethal,
Climategate was a far right wing fantasy, Al Gore won a Nobel peace prize for the most important documentary in the last 100 yrs, cap n trade is vital for planet salvation though its needs to go further in banning the combustion engine,
All this is undeniable
I deny that.

Al Gore was irrelevant to AGW theory developed by thousands of individual and highly respected scientists.

As was the peace prize, though he deserved something for the courage to come forward about it (and take a shellacking from the deniers).

A Carbon Tax is a much more market driven and reliable formula for reducing emissions. The planet doesn't need saving, the people, economics and natural capital do.

And nothing is ever undeniable. Just look at the posts by morons and trolls here. They could deny the sun rising in the East. And believe it..

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Pensions are the symptom, they are not the problem. The problem is allowing corporations and municipalities and states to underfund their pensions based on unrealistic assumptions.
Having said that, I am all for pension reform. Allow each employee to open a 401K account at the institution of their choice and then mandate that all employers contribute an amount equal to 10% of the employee's earnings before taxes. This would apply to all employee's that have any earnings.
Employee's would be allowed to contribute more if desired.
This applies all the way to executive level. Any plan adopted for executives has to apply to workers as well.
You are absolutely correct.

And every elected official, regardless of party, every bureaucrat that allowed pensions to go un- or under-funded needs to be removed and sued for fiscal malfeasance and, if Federal, treason.
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Cap n tax is government driven not market driven. That is the whole purpose behind restricting energy and taxing excess usage as a social engineering. In market driven there is no restriction nor penalty for excess usage-Like a cheeseburger at MacDonalds,.

You have it backwards on Gore and some third rate unknown scientist who is irrelevant
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I deny that.
Al Gore was irrelevant to AGW theory developed by thousands of individual and highly respected scientists.
As was the peace prize, though he deserved something for the courage to come forward about it (and take a shellacking from the deniers).
A Carbon Tax is a much more market driven and reliable formula for reducing emissions. The planet doesn't need saving, the people, economics and natural capital do.
And nothing is ever undeniable. Just look at the posts by morons and trolls here. They could deny the sun rising in the East. And believe it..

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<quoted text>I've heard people named Pamela are nut jobs, that make up stuff...
She seems to be getting more delirious by the post. She certainly hates black people and postal workers.

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Jeff T in MPLS wrote:
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You are absolutely correct.
And every elected official, regardless of party, every bureaucrat that allowed pensions to go un- or under-funded needs to be removed and sued for fiscal malfeasance and, if Federal, treason.
There was an article in the Saturday Richmond Times-Dispatch that showed the state allowing state and local governments to underfund state pensions. Interestingly enough, the localities for the most part said "No, this will lead to too many problems down the road." Perhaps they have been paying attention.

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Mike wrote:
Cap n tax is government driven not market driven. That is the whole purpose behind restricting energy and taxing excess usage as a social engineering. In market driven there is no restriction nor penalty for excess usage-Like a cheeseburger at MacDonalds,.
You have it backwards on Gore and some third rate unknown scientist who is irrelevant
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So, Reagan was a big government, anti-business President after all. Is that what you are saying Mike?
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So, Reagan was a big government, anti-business President after all. Is that what you are saying Mike?
Your are confusing Reagan with Carter. One created an energy crisis and one solved it.

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Your are confusing Reagan with Carter. One created an energy crisis and one solved it.
No, Reagan did little to solve an energy crisis which began with OPEC under Nixon. Adn that is not meant to blame or credit anyone, only give a timeline.

But Reagan did come up with Cap and Trade, used it, and claimed it was a free market, capitalism solution. You should check your fact box, apparently it has a leak and you are losing your facts.
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No, Reagan did little to solve an energy crisis which began with OPEC under Nixon. Adn that is not meant to blame or credit anyone, only give a timeline.
But Reagan did come up with Cap and Trade, used it, and claimed it was a free market, capitalism solution. You should check your fact box, apparently it has a leak and you are losing your facts.
Reagan did solve the energy crisis, secondly Reagan never proposed cap n tax on the whole economy as Obama and socialists like to do. He did discuss this for a specific industry than backed off when knowing the economic consequences.
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If that's your "thoughts", you must see lots of pretty colors, too ???
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Agreed , too much pensions sinking the boat once again.
Even cities dumping pensions following GM.
Funny, the right says that ??? So, your plan is those famous death squads for retirees, right ???

See MY REALITY said, the CEO EXORBITANT PENSIONS are the problems.... you want it to be the workers, who earn every penny....
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CAPITALISM IS THE PROBLEM
The current scandal is nothing less than another indictment of the capitalist and imperialist system. It is part of the general crisis of imperialism and like all recent developments (bank bailouts, home foreclosure, unemployment, etc.) it is tearing apart the legitimacy of institutions of the state that are used by the ruling class to control society.

Like any corporate newspaper, the News of The World existed to serve three purposes:(1) to bring profits and power to its owners (rich capitalists); (2) keep the masses asleep and confused, and thus out of “struggle”; and (3) to attack and neutralize anyone considered to be a danger to fascism (corporate control of the world’s natural and human resources).

As the Raza Press and Media Association (RPMA) and other organizations have said in the past, the media is an important weapon in the arsenal of the capitalist-colonialist system. It is a means by which the ruling class imposes its ideology upon the world’s masses: the workers and the poor.

What the scandal has done is to once again reveal the capitalist media’s use of corruption and crime to control the politics and resources of as much of planet earth as they can. History informs us that the media’s use of spying, blackmail, bribery, murder, and false propaganda to influence the political economy of the world is the norm and not the exception.

To the extent the current scandal terrifies the “bourgeoisie”(ruling class) is made obvious by The London Evening Standard editorial (July 7, 2011) where it states:“...what is most troubling is the way that the scandal is affecting public faith in the police, the press and politicians, all of whose basic honesty is central to democracy.” What the Standard means by democracy is not what the masses of the people understand it to be. For the bourgeoisie “democracy” does not mean democratic or human rights, but its ability to exert power over the wealth and control of society.

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
The postal service has filled a need for many years. Mail service was a necessity and provided service to everyone. The mail could be counted upon to reliably and safely deliver your mail.
UPS is able to deliver where and when they like. When I lived in the country, UPS didn't deliver to my house. They dumped off packages for me at retailers in town and called me that I could pick it up at the local gas station etc.
One of the bigger problems facing the USPS is loss of revenue due to the decrease of first-class mail because of the internet, fax etc. There are still important items that I want securely delivered by USPS. It is more difficult to intercept the mail than it is to hack the internet.
While it needs to be reorganized, the postal service is regulated by the government and must meet requirements that private service does not provide. I would not be comfortable giving the service to loosely regulated private industry.
Of course you do not trust anyone who is not part of a government agency. The fact is that they could replace the USPS and the replacement could do te job better and cheaper. While to postal person dumps your mail off at the corner store, Fedex, UPS, and DHL would go to your door.
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IPCC Admits Its Past Reports Were Junk

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On June 27, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a statement saying it had "complete[d] the process of implementation of a set of recommendations issued in August 2010 by the InterAcademy Council (IAC), the group created by the world's science academies to provide advice to international bodies."

Hidden behind this seemingly routine update on bureaucratic processes is an astonishing and entirely unreported story....

If the IPCC's reports were flawed... then the scientific footing of the man-made global warming movement... is undermined. The Obama administration's war on coal may be unnecessary. Billions of dollars in subsidies to solar and wind may have been wasted. Trillions of dollars of personal income may have been squandered worldwide in campaigns to "fix" a problem that didn't really exist.

The "recommendations" issued by the IAC were not minor adjustments to a fundamentally sound scientific procedure. Here are some of the findings of the IAC's 2010 report.

...In plain English: the IPCC reports are not peer-reviewed.

.... In other words: authors are selected from a "club" of scientists and nonscientists who agree with the alarmist perspective favored by politicians.

The rewriting of the Summary for Policy Makers by politicians and environmental activists ... was plainly admitted....

... We were told by everyone -- environmentalists, reporters, politicians, even celebrities -- that the IPCC reports were science, not politics. Now we are told that even the scientists involved in writing the reports...felt the summaries were "too political."

Here is how the IAC described how the IPCC arrives at the "consensus of scientists":

Plenary sessions to approve a Summary for Policy Makers last for several days and commonly end with an all-night meeting. Thus, the individuals with the most endurance or the countries that have large delegations can end up having the most influence on the report (p. 25).

How can such a process possibly be said to capture or represent the "true consensus of scientists"?
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The IAC authors warn, also on page 34, that "conclusions will likely be stated so vaguely as to make them impossible to refute, and therefore statements of 'very high confidence' will have little substantive value." Yes, but that doesn't keep the media and environmental activists from citing them over and over again as "proof" that global warming is man-made and a crisis...even if that's not really what the reports' authors are saying.

Finally, the IAC noted, "the lack of a conflict of interest and disclosure policy for IPCC leaders and Lead Authors was a concern raised by a number of individuals who were interviewed by the Committee or provided written input" as well as "the practice of scientists responsible for writing IPCC assessments reviewing their own work. The Committee did not investigate the basis of these claims, which is beyond the mandate of this review" (p. 46).

Too bad, because these are both big issues in light of recent revelations that a majority of the authors and contributors to some chapters of the IPCC reports are environmental activists, not scientists at all....

That, in turn, means that the first four IPCC reports were, in fact, unreliable. Not just "possibly flawed" or "could have been improved," but likely to be wrong and even fraudulent.

It means that all of the "endorsements" of the climate consensus made by the world's national academies of science -- which invariably refer to the reports of the IPCC as their scientific basis -- were based on false or unreliable data and therefore should be disregarded or revised. It means that the EPA's "endangerment finding" ... was wrong and should be overturned.

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