Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

Full story: TwinCities.com

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.
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Mothra

Peoria, AZ

#19474 Jul 16, 2012
IPCC Admits Its Past Reports Were Junk

[edited for length]

On June 27, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a statement saying it had "complete[d] the process of implementation of a set of recommendations issued in August 2010 by the InterAcademy Council (IAC), the group created by the world's science academies to provide advice to international bodies."

Hidden behind this seemingly routine update on bureaucratic processes is an astonishing and entirely unreported story....

If the IPCC's reports were flawed... then the scientific footing of the man-made global warming movement... is undermined. The Obama administration's war on coal may be unnecessary. Billions of dollars in subsidies to solar and wind may have been wasted. Trillions of dollars of personal income may have been squandered worldwide in campaigns to "fix" a problem that didn't really exist.

The "recommendations" issued by the IAC were not minor adjustments to a fundamentally sound scientific procedure. Here are some of the findings of the IAC's 2010 report.

...In plain English: the IPCC reports are not peer-reviewed.

.... In other words: authors are selected from a "club" of scientists and nonscientists who agree with the alarmist perspective favored by politicians.

The rewriting of the Summary for Policy Makers by politicians and environmental activists ... was plainly admitted....

... We were told by everyone -- environmentalists, reporters, politicians, even celebrities -- that the IPCC reports were science, not politics. Now we are told that even the scientists involved in writing the reports...felt the summaries were "too political."

Here is how the IAC described how the IPCC arrives at the "consensus of scientists":

Plenary sessions to approve a Summary for Policy Makers last for several days and commonly end with an all-night meeting. Thus, the individuals with the most endurance or the countries that have large delegations can end up having the most influence on the report (p. 25).

How can such a process possibly be said to capture or represent the "true consensus of scientists"?
...
The IAC authors warn, also on page 34, that "conclusions will likely be stated so vaguely as to make them impossible to refute, and therefore statements of 'very high confidence' will have little substantive value." Yes, but that doesn't keep the media and environmental activists from citing them over and over again as "proof" that global warming is man-made and a crisis...even if that's not really what the reports' authors are saying.

Finally, the IAC noted, "the lack of a conflict of interest and disclosure policy for IPCC leaders and Lead Authors was a concern raised by a number of individuals who were interviewed by the Committee or provided written input" as well as "the practice of scientists responsible for writing IPCC assessments reviewing their own work. The Committee did not investigate the basis of these claims, which is beyond the mandate of this review" (p. 46).

Too bad, because these are both big issues in light of recent revelations that a majority of the authors and contributors to some chapters of the IPCC reports are environmental activists, not scientists at all....

That, in turn, means that the first four IPCC reports were, in fact, unreliable. Not just "possibly flawed" or "could have been improved," but likely to be wrong and even fraudulent.

It means that all of the "endorsements" of the climate consensus made by the world's national academies of science -- which invariably refer to the reports of the IPCC as their scientific basis -- were based on false or unreliable data and therefore should be disregarded or revised. It means that the EPA's "endangerment finding" ... was wrong and should be overturned.

Read full story: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/ipcc_a...
Typical Lib

Southfield, MI

#19475 Jul 16, 2012
I hate capitalism, I just have my hands out for the very money that digusts me
Typical Lib

Southfield, MI

#19476 Jul 16, 2012
Happy Slew wrote:
<quoted text>Funny, the right says that ??? So, your plan is those famous death squads for retirees, right ???
See MY REALITY said, the CEO EXORBITANT PENSIONS are the problems.... you want it to be the workers, who earn every penny....
When pensions amount in the billions(Like GM) and sometimes trillions ( municipality) its a good clue its unaffordable

“dening those who deny nature. ”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#19477 Jul 16, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. The military had to jump through hoops to ensure contract employee's had a place on the battlefield with some safety.
The military does much more for their personnel in the event of a battlefield death than most contract companies do.
Funny thing is that many of the civilian contractors once wore a military uniform. So many of those personnel are former military and know the dangers and in case of war would be one of the first recalled to active duty.

“dening those who deny nature. ”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#19478 Jul 16, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a true statement, particularly if you want to compare it to some private companies like GM, Ford and Chrysler.
Funny thing is only two of those three companies needed the government to bail it out. Ford has been doing far better than the USPS. IBM, G.E., and a host of other companies.
Happy Slew

Seattle, WA

#19479 Jul 16, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny thing is that many of the civilian contractors once wore a military uniform. So many of those personnel are former military and know the dangers and in case of war would be one of the first recalled to active duty.
NOT true, but IT IS YOU, right ??? LMAOROTFu~!
rider

Ishpeming, MI

#19480 Jul 16, 2012
Typical Lib wrote:
I hate capitalism, I just have my hands out for the very money that digusts me
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Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#19481 Jul 16, 2012
My Thoughts wrote:
<quoted text>
Reagan did solve the energy crisis, secondly Reagan never proposed cap n tax on the whole economy as Obama and socialists like to do. He did discuss this for a specific industry than backed off when knowing the economic consequences.
First, Reagan did less to solve the fuel crisis than Carter did. CAFE standards continue to save us millions of gallons of fuel almost daily.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler....

Reagan used Cap and Trade on every industrial smokestack, not just a single industry and he did not back off. It was implemented and successful.

Further, he did it for environmental reasons.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#19482 Jul 16, 2012
Smiley Slew wrote:
<quoted text>Guess where the pension money went ??? Into management raises, bonuses, and perks... Funny, you'd like to blame your neighbors, while you wait for trickle down... from the rich guy up on the hill !?? It's NOT THE EMPLOYEES steering the ship on the shoals, it's the drunk CAPT ~!
Oh the government employees get a lot of the money. CA has over $500 billion in unpaid for state pension promises and so the governor of CA ended many welfare programs including in home care for elderly and disabled people, he set up copayments for Medicaid, he cut community colleges so badly that over 300,000 young people were rejected from community colleges last year. That is how underfunded the colleges in CA are now. He raised tuitions on state colleges too. He raised property taxes, raised the sales tax which was already 9 percent, he has a millionaires tax on the ballot, he created an internet sales tax in CA which begins in Sept. All this to pay that $500 billion in unfunded pension promises.

How many of you know someone who was a house painter who now enjoys a $100K per year pension?? No one gets anything like that unless they worked for the government. How many of you know clerical workers in the private sector who rake in $75K a year in a pension with a double digit cost of living increase each year?? No one except state workers get this kind of money. And we pay for it. They tried to create a new tax on everyone who makes $7,500 a year or more. Tax the dirt poor minimum wage workers who have no pensions to pay out that kind of money to state retirees who retire at 55?? Are you kidding me?? And this is what the Dems are doing. They are robbing the poor to give to the rich.

The ONLY thing the Dems have left is getting that money from those government employee unions and getting those votes. Obama got $500 million in campaign contributions from government employee unions, and that is why the head of the SEIU is at the White House all of the time. We pay for this stuff, dirt poor people are paying for this stuff and the Dems get money and votes for taking our money from us and giving it to a few people who worked for the state. Soon enough everyone is going to get the hell out of CA and those state pensions can go bankrupt.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#19483 Jul 16, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you do not trust anyone who is not part of a government agency. The fact is that they could replace the USPS and the replacement could do te job better and cheaper. While to postal person dumps your mail off at the corner store, Fedex, UPS, and DHL would go to your door.
How many doors do UPS, FEDEX and DHL refuse to touch for cost reasons?

Why do they partner with the USPS to deliver to those doors if they can do it better and cheaper?
For Real

Southfield, MI

#19484 Jul 16, 2012
The Bill Ayers lefties really coming out of the woodwork now-voxfux???

You must make Mom proud

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#19485 Jul 16, 2012
Mothra wrote:
IPCC Admits Its Past Reports Were Junk
[edited for length]
On June 27, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a statement saying it had "complete[d] the process of implementation of a set of recommendations issued in August 2010 by the InterAcademy Council (IAC), the group created by the world's science academies to provide advice to international bodies."
Hidden behind this seemingly routine update on bureaucratic processes is an astonishing and entirely unreported story....
If the IPCC's reports were flawed... then the scientific footing of the man-made global warming movement... is undermined. The Obama administration's war on coal may be unnecessary. Billions of dollars in subsidies to solar and wind may have been wasted. Trillions of dollars of personal income may have been squandered worldwide in campaigns to "fix" a problem that didn't really exist.
The "recommendations" issued by the IAC were not minor adjustments to a fundamentally sound scientific procedure. Here are some of the findings of the IAC's 2010 report.
...In plain English: the IPCC reports are not peer-reviewed.
.... In other words: authors are selected from a "club" of scientists and nonscientists who agree with the alarmist perspective favored by politicians.
The rewriting of the Summary for Policy Makers by politicians and environmental activists ... was plainly admitted....
... We were told by everyone -- environmentalists, reporters, politicians, even celebrities -- that the IPCC reports were science, not politics. Now we are told that even the scientists involved in writing the reports...felt the summaries were "too political."
Here is how the IAC described how the IPCC arrives at the "consensus of scientists":
Plenary sessions to approve a Summary for Policy Makers last for several days and commonly end with an all-night meeting. Thus, the individuals with the most endurance or the countries that have large delegations can end up having the most influence on the report (p. 25).
How can such a process possibly be said to capture or represent the "true consensus of scientists"?
...
The IAC authors warn, also on page 34, that "conclusions will likely be stated so vaguely as to make them impossible to refute, and therefore statements of 'very high confidence' will have little substantive value." Yes, but that doesn't keep the media and environmental activists from citing them over and over again as "proof" that global warming is man-made and a crisis...even if that's not really what the reports' authors are saying.
Finally, the IAC noted, "the lack of a conflict of interest and disclosure policy for IPCC leaders and Lead Authors was a concern raised by a number of individuals who were interviewed by the Committee or provided written input" as well as "the practice of scientists responsible for writing IPCC assessments reviewing their own work. The Committee did not investigate the basis of these claims, which is beyond the mandate of this review" (p. 46).
Too bad, because these are both big issues in light of recent revelations that a majority of the authors and contributors to some chapters of the IPCC reports are environmental activists, not scientists at all....
That, in turn, means that the first four IPCC reports were, in fact, unreliable. Not just "possibly flawed" or "could have been improved," but likely to be wrong and even fraudulent.
It means that all of the "endorsements" of the climate consensus made by the world's national academies of science -- which invariably refer to the reports of the IPCC as their scientific basis -- were based on false or unreliable data and therefore should be disregarded or revised. It means that the EPA's "endangerment finding" ... was wrong and should be overturned.
Read full story: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/ipcc_a...
This is the kind of BS that makes the conversation over.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#19486 Jul 16, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
She seems to be getting more delirious by the post. She certainly hates black people and postal workers.
You are attacking me because of a postal worker committing crimes against me. Rather than you supporting the crime victim, you deny that it happened so you can support the criminals just because she is black and the post master if Hispanic. You would rather they commit crimes against me and threaten to kill me and support that than to tell the truth. If the post office did not have to hire so many people of different races and did not have a union that says they can never be fired, they would not have the nerve to commit crimes and threaten people's lives. You're like the guy who lets a woman get raped cause the guy doing it is black, so what, it's fine cause he is not white. This is the mentality, and in the meantime I have to deal with the crimes, the insanity of this stuff, the unprofessionalism, and they did threaten my life. You don't get it. I live in a welfare city where crimes go down every five seconds. There is NO professionalism here. You go to a doctor, lawyer, deal with the post office, anyone does anything and no one does one thing about any of it. this place has the second highest crime rate in CA, second highest rate of women being abducted off of the streets, highest amount of meth users and one of the highest rates of alcoholism and so no one works, so no one has any respect for these people, and yes they do whatever the hell they want. There are no laws here. It's every man for himself. yesterday I had my ATM card used all over the place and had to shut the card down. Someone in a store here got ahold of the number and tried to use it all over the place. This is all this place is. Don't tell me the U.S. is a first world country or that I have ANY rights. I have no rights. I have no right to make a living and no rights to stop anyone from committing crimes. The idea of cities in the U.S. having people in jobs and making a living and having laws and rules is in the past. That ended in the late 90s. this is the way it is now, and I hope every one of you who abuses crime victims in here has this sh!t done to you. Just because maybe your town has a few jobs left and mine does not, doesn't mean your town isn't going to end up just like this in a few more years. See how you like it when everyone commits crimes and is on drugs and then people attack you over you being attacked. This is third world crap. You support insane people committing crimes, good, I hope they do it to you.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#19488 Jul 16, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
She seems to be getting more delirious by the post. She certainly hates black people and postal workers.
If you were not getting your mail, what would you do??? I wrote to the post master general and he did not read the letter and he did not respond. In the meantime, I was not getting my utility bills nor my bank statements, nothing. What would you do?? I called up a number in the phone book. A professional black woman with Consumer Affairs spent a week investigating it and she found out that the black women mail carrier had signed to put in three phony mail forwards on me, and the lady from Consumer Affairs told me I am a crime victim. What do you want me to do about it?? Why did she do that?? I have ZERO to do with any of it. Why are you abusing a crime victim?? why did the post master general threaten to kill me over my contacting Consumer Affairs?? What in the hell do I have to do with any of it?? Nothing, zero, nada. Why did that mail carrier do the same thing to other women on her route?? Why did I not ever have any problem collecting my mail for over 40 years??? Why are these people being allowed to commit crimes?? Why can't they be fired?? They do this stuff because they cannot be fired, obviously. I don't have one thing to do with any of it and the idea that you liberals would rather people like this kill an innocent person than to for you to tell the truth says it all. you would rather support people committing crimes and killing an innocent person just to play the game you support black people than to deal with the truth. I do not want to live in a place that is this dangerous and insane, and I do not want one thing to do with any of this stuff. I have nothing to do with it. I'm 55 years old, from San Francisco. I have NOTHING to do with this welfare town, crime fest, sh!t hole. I had nothing to do with what that mental case mail carrier does, I have nothing to do with the post master general.

I hope you get mugged and as they kick your face in liberals stand over you and say "so what, you are white, the guy killing you is a minority, so it's okay, it's just fine, so what?" I can only hope you get back what you are giving out. Why would I stay in a place where a post master general threated to kill me over my calling a number in the phone book to try to get my mail unless he was on shaky ground, in a lot of trouble and losing his job over him being so corrupt?? None of this insane crap has one thing to do with me.
Happy Slew

Seattle, WA

#19489 Jul 16, 2012
*
And they say vaudeville is dead.

Great "comeback" Pam, more crazy, unprovable rants....And of course ill wishes, to lock up NO ONE'S sympathy... LMAOROTFu~ Cut back on the Coco puffs...
For Real

Southfield, MI

#19490 Jul 16, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
How many doors do UPS, FEDEX and DHL refuse to touch for cost reasons?
Why do they partner with the USPS to deliver to those doors if they can do it better and cheaper?
Fed X does not lose 18 billion a year like USPS, only a govt run entity would and could do that.
Mothra

Peoria, AZ

#19491 Jul 16, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the kind of BS that makes the conversation over.
Would that be the conversation on the Post Office?

LOL
Happy Slew

Seattle, WA

#19492 Jul 16, 2012
For Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Fed X does not lose 18 billion a year like USPS, only a govt run entity would and could do that.
USPS doesn't lose money, the government takes it...

Congress set this slow-motion train wreck in motion way back in 2006 when it passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act, which required the Postal Service to pre-pay expected health care costs for future retirees within 10 years. Compressing the payment period to just 10 years is why the annual payments are a whopping $5.4 billion to $5.8 billion apiece.

No other organization in the country carries such a burden.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#19493 Jul 16, 2012
Happy Slew wrote:
*
And they say vaudeville is dead.
Great "comeback" Pam, more crazy, unprovable rants....And of course ill wishes, to lock up NO ONE'S sympathy... LMAOROTFu~ Cut back on the Coco puffs...
I hope you have crimes committed against you and people say you are nuts and they let you die. Come on. You all know the U.S. is going under and you know there are too many people on the planet so you hope everyone but you dies. That's why it is suddenly so in to wish everyone else dead, that's why it is so in style to bash crime victims. I hope people do this to you. Your mail carrier can't be fired either, not ever, so if you get a new one that is nuts and they throw your mail in the garbage, there isn't one thing you can do about it either, and I hope when they threaten to kill you, that everyone says you are nuts, so what, ha, ha, ha. I hope you get this back on you.
Happy Slew

Seattle, WA

#19494 Jul 16, 2012
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Would that be the conversation on the Post Office?
LOL
He linked to your garbage, are you stupid ?? Oh sorry...

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