Ron Paul on the Verge of Going Third Party?

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Crazy n Nutty Politics

Miami, FL

#28768 Aug 15, 2012
Sorry but with the election of Ryan I don't think he has a chance. Look at his flip flop on the Ayn Rand thing. Pure flip floppers both of them.

Look on the bright side...both parties vary little on foreign policy; so look forward to more war folks.

Time to cast a write in vote.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#28769 Aug 15, 2012
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
Sorry but with the election of Ryan I don't think he has a chance. Look at his flip flop on the Ayn Rand thing. Pure flip floppers both of them.
Look on the bright side...both parties vary little on foreign policy; so look forward to more war folks.
Time to cast a write in vote.
Will those wars be at home or overseas? To be honest, I do think that the Israelis will find that it will take a tad more than 30 days to eliminate Iran. If on the other hand there is one at home, you can look forward to another Warsaw ghetto scene in a few cities. Which might help those cities to start over again. I was thrilled to read that the black panthers threatened the DNC, by keeping their boots on the DNC's neck, real thugs there. In either case R&R still get my vote. Let's get it on!!!!!
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#28770 Aug 15, 2012
Those contemplating a write in vote. I would ask you all to go outside when the winds are a steady 50mph, stand facing directly into that wind, honk up a deep huge lugy, the green one, and then launch that lugy into the wind, check out how long it takes for that thing of wonder, to come back and hit you right in the face. As I see it that is just what you do buy not looking at the big picture of getting rid of that socialist sitting in Washington. That is the #1 goal.
Of course that is my opinion, and I could be wrong, NAH I'm right.
Bill R

Lebanon, OR

#28771 Aug 15, 2012
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
Will those wars be at home or overseas? To be honest, I do think that the Israelis will find that it will take a tad more than 30 days to eliminate Iran. If on the other hand there is one at home, you can look forward to another Warsaw ghetto scene in a few cities. Which might help those cities to start over again. I was thrilled to read that the black panthers threatened the DNC, by keeping their boots on the DNC's neck, real thugs there. In either case R&R still get my vote. Let's get it on!!!!!
If you are talking about Detroit or Newark you are
insulting Warsaw.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#28772 Aug 16, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are talking about Detroit or Newark you are
insulting Warsaw.
Those two and a couple more. Gee maybe I should have mentioned Warsaw in the 1940's. There are so many on here that have forgotten or never bothered to understand what went on there.
Do not think that it could not happen in America, only this time it will be against thugs, doper, ho's and black racists. Not freedom fighters.

“UNLESS !!!!!!!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#28773 Aug 16, 2012
Been spending the last couple of days at the Florida Energy Summit. As the third largest state with seemingly some of the best opportunities for resources, I can with relative certainty report that yes we of course have our heads up our asses. There are a handful of politicians on both sides of the aisle that have to fight pure ignorance and partisan bullshit just to pass a "hey we want to look at energy" bill and then receive an enormous amount of flack for doing what needs to be done. The rare republican legislator is rewarded by his party with accusations of being a socialist - when he in fact made sure it was agnostic to fuel source and guaranteed no state money was dispersed until after services completed - so unfounded bullshit. And the opposing party which aint much in Florida is putting all they have at eliminating the only ally they could ever hope to muster that can see past partisan rhetoric. So even if they win their risky, expensive campaign - they may gain a seat (doing nothing to their minority status) but loose their only shot at an open door with the majority....dip shit sheople following party interest instead of self-interest.

“RaiderNation of Domination”

Since: May 07

Some West Texas County

#28774 Aug 16, 2012
If Ron Paul's name is on your ballot in November, vote for him.

If not, then vote for Gary Johnson
uIDiotRacesMAkeW orldPeace

United States

#28778 Aug 21, 2012
Senator William Jenner in a speech, February 23, 1954
The Shadows of Power
The Council on Foreign Relations and the American Decline
by James Perloff
Western Islands Publishers, 1988, paperback, p4

Today the path to total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people .... Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded and is sure that it is the winning side... All the strange developments in foreign policy agreements may be traced to this group who are going to make us over to suit their pleasure .... This political action group has its own local political support organizations, its own pressure groups, its own vested interests, its foothold within our government, and its own propaganda apparatus.
uIDiotRacesMAkeW orldPeace

United States

#28779 Aug 21, 2012
LORAX wrote:
Been spending the last couple of days at the Florida Energy Summit. As the third largest state with seemingly some of the best opportunities for resources, I can with relative certainty report that yes we of course have our heads up our asses. There are a handful of politicians on both sides of the aisle that have to fight pure ignorance and partisan bullshit just to pass a "hey we want to look at energy" bill and then receive an enormous amount of flack for doing what needs to be done. The rare republican legislator is rewarded by his party with accusations of being a socialist - when he in fact made sure it was agnostic to fuel source and guaranteed no state money was dispersed until after services completed - so unfounded bullshit. And the opposing party which aint much in Florida is putting all they have at eliminating the only ally they could ever hope to muster that can see past partisan rhetoric. So even if they win their risky, expensive campaign - they may gain a seat (doing nothing to their minority status) but loose their only shot at an open door with the majority....dip shit sheople following party interest instead of self-interest.
did they talk about Alternative energy or is on the backburner ,and Special in terest still rules?
uIDiotRacesMAkeW orldPeace

United States

#28780 Aug 21, 2012
Again , what happening to this thread, i leave and every disappears... hum. let liven it up, get on the horse and giddy up. BWHHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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“UNLESS !!!!!!!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#28781 Aug 21, 2012
uIDiotRacesMAkeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>did they talk about Alternative energy or is on the backburner ,and Special in terest still rules?
They did have some germane speakers and exhibitors to talks to. Of course they are all special interests. If you mean the usual "winners" of big oil and utilities they were of course there. But there is a growing curiosity from them about us....Likely because we have figured out how to make money from being green....imagine that.
dave

Nashville, TN

#28782 Aug 21, 2012
Join the Rupublic we are here for the people. we are growing stronger every day.If Ron would just denounce, the so called gov. of the U.S. and come on over, then ther would be a true revolution.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#28783 Aug 21, 2012
dave wrote:
Join the Rupublic we are here for the people. we are growing stronger every day.If Ron would just denounce, the so called gov. of the U.S. and come on over, then ther would be a true revolution.
I myself isn't looking for a revolution, unless there are many people that will be deported or eliminated. That is the only revolution I look forward to! Politically, I'm at peace with the Republican party, it's the other main one and all of the so called pissant parties filled with dreamers and want-a-be's, tree huggers and self interests that up-set me. Now just which one do you fall into Dave?
Razors Edge

Oak Lawn, IL

#28784 Aug 22, 2012
This Judicial Watch Special Report analyzes the proliferation of so-called “czars” in the Obama administration. President Barack Obama has installed personal advisors in czar positions in the White House and has created new czar positions elsewhere in the Executive Branch. As of the date of this report, the number of czars that have been appointed by the President, or by others in his administration, appears to total 45. In addition, there are as many as 18 other unfilled or planned czar positions.
Many of these “czars” are unconfirmed by the Senate and are largely unaccountable to Congress. Further, their activities are often outside the reach of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), creating a veil of secrecy about their precise role in the administration. Considering President Obama’s efforts to skirt constitutionally mandated oversight of his administration, it is not surprising that there has been substantial outcry over his use of czars. In fact, even his Cabinet is disgruntled, to the point that the White House has added Tom Gavin to the President’s staff as Cabinet Communications Director, charged with the responsibility for improving relations between members of the Cabinet and the various czars.
The Cabinet, of course, is not alone in its frustration and concern. The American people, to the extent they understand what is going on, see the appointment of czars as an effort by the President to circumvent Congress. Recently, the House, including Republicans and thirteen Democrats, voiced its disapproval over the use of czars by passing a bill intended to eliminate funding for czars, nine of which were specifically identified in the bill. While the Democratic-controlled Senate is not likely to pass the bill &#8210; and it would certainly not survive the President’s veto &#8210; the message to the President is clear: stop the use of czars to undermine accountable government.
__________
This Special Report examines four areas of public concern regarding Obama’s use of czars: 1) the constitutionality of policy czars; 2) the degree to which the Senate has been circumvented in the appointment of policy czars; 3) the political controversy that has resulted from bypassing the Senate’s confirmation process; and 4) issues concerning the lack of transparency in an administration that operates through a system of czars.
Effective oversight of the Obama czars has fallen in no small measure to the independent Judicial Watch. Judicial Watch has investigated each of President Obama’s czars. In addition, Judicial Watch has sued in federal court to gain information about the specific activities of certain key czars.
Important to note is the fact that czar positions and people are fluid within the administration. People resign and change roles and others are appointed to fill the shoes of persons departing. As of the date of this report, a number of positions remain open???

Unaccountable,and our Congress allows this???
Chicago style tactics is Okay I guess???

I got your 3rd Party right here..Chicago Style!!
Bill R

Lebanon, OR

#28785 Aug 22, 2012
Razors Edge wrote:
This Judicial Watch Special Report analyzes the proliferation of so-called “czars” in the Obama administration. President Barack Obama has installed personal advisors in czar positions in the White House and has created new czar positions elsewhere in the Executive Branch. As of the date of this report, the number of czars that have been appointed by the President, or by others in his administration, appears to total 45. In addition, there are as many as 18 other unfilled or planned czar positions.
Many of these “czars” are unconfirmed by the Senate and are largely unaccountable to Congress. Further, their activities are often outside the reach of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), creating a veil of secrecy about their precise role in the administration. Considering President Obama’s efforts to skirt constitutionally mandated oversight of his administration, it is not surprising that there has been substantial outcry over his use of czars. In fact, even his Cabinet is disgruntled, to the point that the White House has added Tom Gavin to the President’s staff as Cabinet Communications Director, charged with the responsibility for improving relations between members of the Cabinet and the various czars.
The Cabinet, of course, is not alone in its frustration and concern. The American people, to the extent they understand what is going on, see the appointment of czars as an effort by the President to circumvent Congress. Recently, the House, including Republicans and thirteen Democrats, voiced its disapproval over the use of czars by passing a bill intended to eliminate funding for czars, nine of which were specifically identified in the bill. While the Democratic-controlled Senate is not likely to pass the bill &#8210; and it would certainly not survive the President’s veto &#8210; the message to the President is clear: stop the use of czars to undermine accountable government.
__________
This Special Report examines four areas of public concern regarding Obama’s use of czars: 1) the constitutionality of policy czars; 2) the degree to which the Senate has been circumvented in the appointment of policy czars; 3) the political controversy that has resulted from bypassing the Senate’s confirmation process; and 4) issues concerning the lack of transparency in an administration that operates through a system of czars.
Effective oversight of the Obama czars has fallen in no small measure to the independent Judicial Watch. Judicial Watch has investigated each of President Obama’s czars. In addition, Judicial Watch has sued in federal court to gain information about the specific activities of certain key czars.
Important to note is the fact that czar positions and people are fluid within the administration. People resign and change roles and others are appointed to fill the shoes of persons departing. As of the date of this report, a number of positions remain open???
Unaccountable,and our Congress allows this???
Chicago style tactics is Okay I guess???
I got your 3rd Party right here..Chicago Style!!
However disappointing it may be for those who labored for
Ron Paul, a uncast vote or vote for a Third Party candidate
is effectively a vote to continue the abuses you have
described here.
In my view a failure by Ron Paul to endorse the Romney/
Paul ticket nothing less than a vote to continue the
abuses that have been part and parcel of the Obama
administration.
Ron Paul knows damn well that he has and will have
virtually no influence on the Obama administration,
especially as a former congressman. Meanwhile, a
Romney/Ryan victory .... especially if it includes
gaining the Senate .... affords him access and
opportunity and gaining influence within Congress,
giving him and those aligned with him an avenue to
create and shape bills that have a good chance of
reaching Romney's desk.
Bill R

Lebanon, OR

#28786 Aug 22, 2012
uIDiotRacesMAkeWorldPeace wrote:
Senator William Jenner in a speech, February 23, 1954
The Shadows of Power
The Council on Foreign Relations and the American Decline
by James Perloff
Western Islands Publishers, 1988, paperback, p4
Today the path to total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people .... Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded and is sure that it is the winning side... All the strange developments in foreign policy agreements may be traced to this group who are going to make us over to suit their pleasure .... This political action group has its own local political support organizations, its own pressure groups, its own vested interests, its foothold within our government, and its own propaganda apparatus.
Rather humorous that you would dig up this quotation from
1954 ... now more than 58 years ago ... published by someone
else 34 years after the words were spoken.

It is similarly interesting that you choose a book selected
for publication by Western Islands given that Western Islands
is the publishing arm of the John Birch Society.

Bill R

Lebanon, OR

#28787 Aug 22, 2012
uIDiotRacesMAkeWorldPeace wrote:
Senator William Jenner in a speech, February 23, 1954
The Shadows of Power
The Council on Foreign Relations and the American Decline
by James Perloff
Western Islands Publishers, 1988, paperback, p4
Today the path to total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people .... Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded and is sure that it is the winning side... All the strange developments in foreign policy agreements may be traced to this group who are going to make us over to suit their pleasure .... This political action group has its own local political support organizations, its own pressure groups, its own vested interests, its foothold within our government, and its own propaganda apparatus.
Can you provide me with a few examples of books published by
Western Islands that fail to fully support the ideological
line of the John Birch Society? Western Islands was and is
in actuality little more than a vanity press for conservative
works so lacking in scholarship that even back then they
could not find a mainstream publisher (and there were many
at that time).

Incidentally, your last quoted line, beginning with "This
political action group ... and its own propaganda apparatus"
... fully describes Paul's "Liberty" movement and Western
Islands.
Razors Edge

Oak Lawn, IL

#28788 Aug 22, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
However disappointing it may be for those who labored for
Ron Paul, a uncast vote or vote for a Third Party candidate
is effectively a vote to continue the abuses you have
described here.
In my view a failure by Ron Paul to endorse the Romney/
Paul ticket nothing less than a vote to continue the
abuses that have been part and parcel of the Obama
administration.
Ron Paul knows damn well that he has and will have
virtually no influence on the Obama administration,
especially as a former congressman. Meanwhile, a
Romney/Ryan victory .... especially if it includes
gaining the Senate .... affords him access and

opportunity and gaining influence within Congress,
giving him and those aligned with him an avenue to
create and shape bills that have a good chance of
reaching Romney's desk.
Good post,Agreed,Always liked,and respected,
Paul.But it seems like John the Baptist time
for him???
Crazy n Nutty Politics

Miami, FL

#28790 Aug 22, 2012
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
Will those wars be at home or overseas? To be honest, I do think that the Israelis will find that it will take a tad more than 30 days to eliminate Iran. If on the other hand there is one at home, you can look forward to another Warsaw ghetto scene in a few cities. Which might help those cities to start over again. I was thrilled to read that the black panthers threatened the DNC, by keeping their boots on the DNC's neck, real thugs there. In either case R&R still get my vote. Let's get it on!!!!!
Yea..but Israel is our 51st state. However, the DNC Black Panther comment made the Mrs. and I laugh...so true. lol

Easy..do they have "legitimate rape" in Thailand?
Crazy n Nutty Politics

Miami, FL

#28791 Aug 22, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
However disappointing it may be for those who labored for
Ron Paul, a uncast vote or vote for a Third Party candidate
is effectively a vote to continue the abuses you have
described here.
In my view a failure by Ron Paul to endorse the Romney/
Paul ticket nothing less than a vote to continue the
abuses that have been part and parcel of the Obama
administration.
Ron Paul knows damn well that he has and will have
virtually no influence on the Obama administration,
especially as a former congressman. Meanwhile, a
Romney/Ryan victory .... especially if it includes
gaining the Senate .... affords him access and
opportunity and gaining influence within Congress,
giving him and those aligned with him an avenue to
create and shape bills that have a good chance of
reaching Romney's desk.
I'll give Romney a bid kudos for including Paul's delegates at the RNC despite the miniscule amount.(had to say that before you did)

However..I can guarantee you this from the 2/1 party system..No significant change. All we can hope for is a repeal of health care mandate (which is odd since Romney instituted one in MA.

Also, Immigration reform will never happen under Romneywatch because of cowtowing to Commerce commission.

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