Tough voter ID headed for 3rd day of House debate

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A measure that could become one of the nation's toughest photo identification laws for voters headed toward a third day of debate in Pennsylvania's state House of Representatives as the sparring between Democrats and Republicans on Tuesday showed no signs of changing minds on a key election-year issue for both sides.

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#1 Mar 14, 2012
Only people who oppose photo id for voting are democrats who want illegals voting. Even mexico has photo id for voting.!!!

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“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#3 Mar 14, 2012
Pikachu wrote:
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That's not true. We don't want out voting rights to be infringed upon. This is how you gun freaks lost your true freedom to have guns.
Little by little they used stupid examples that chipped away at gun rights.
Today they're using the same logic on getting you to succumb to the idea that a new restriction on voting rights will somehow end voter fraud.
Wake up, if any person [such as an illegal] can go get fake id where on earth do you think that passing a law that restricts you from voting is going to benefit you?
I don't support voter ID as it's an infringement to the Peoples right to vote.
I would expect someone living in China to say that, is big brother watching over your shoulder? one dot for yes, two dots for no.
khuan

Cypress, TX

#5 Mar 14, 2012
Actually one can't be considered a radical demoratic activist or even a left wing stooge and certainly would be considered a leper persona non gratis unless one follows the mandatory radical leftist line of being against voter ID laws that ensure the integrity of the voter election. We all know that dead voters are a very important minority group for the demorats.
RRRRRico

Kansas City, MO

#6 Mar 14, 2012
Pikachu wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not physically in China so stay on topic old man before I start with my own personal attacks on you. <wink>
We know, you're RICO.
Tortillas and Sugar

Anaheim, CA

#7 Mar 14, 2012
RRRRRico wrote:
<quoted text>We know, you're RICO.
Who is this "we" you speak of? All your 10k screen names and sock puppets?

LMFAO!!!
lololol

Albuquerque, NM

#8 Mar 14, 2012
Pikachu wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not physically in China so stay on topic old man before I start with my own personal attacks on you. <wink>
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using proxies to post shows a fear of response from your real geographic area, just sayin !
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#9 Mar 14, 2012
Our "leaders" in Harrisburg do very little for the citizens but it is good to see that protecting our voting rights is a subject they are willing to tackle. Every illegally cast vote violates the rights of all citizens.
The only thing our last governor worried about was selling our highways to European companies and funneling money to his Democratic buddies in Philadelphia.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#10 Mar 14, 2012
Pikachu wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not true. We don't want out voting rights to be infringed upon. This is how you gun freaks lost your true freedom to have guns.
Little by little they used stupid examples that chipped away at gun rights.
Today they're using the same logic on getting you to succumb to the idea that a new restriction on voting rights will somehow end voter fraud.
Wake up, if any person [such as an illegal] can go get fake id where on earth do you think that passing a law that restricts you from voting is going to benefit you?
I don't support voter ID as it's an infringement to the Peoples right to vote.
Putting aside the fact that nobody can provide even a single example of an undocumented worker voting the funny part of all of this voter suppression nonsense is that it has absolutely no effect on absentee ballots.

So we are going to deprive 20,000,000 people of their right to vote and it will accomplish nothing. Of course the people who are most likely to not have photo ID are old people, minorities, poor people and young people. Since these people all tend to vote Democratic it is quite clear what the intentions are here.

As usual the right wing power brokers have duped their lackeys into believing it is all the fault of Mexicans. Lucky for them none of the lackeys read.

There are 20 million more stories just like this one:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/06/4...

Since: Jul 07

Newport News, VA

#12 Mar 14, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
Putting aside the fact that nobody can provide even a single example of an undocumented worker voting the funny part of all of this voter suppression nonsense is that it has absolutely no effect on absentee ballots.
So we are going to deprive 20,000,000 people of their right to vote and it will accomplish nothing. Of course the people who are most likely to not have photo ID are old people, minorities, poor people and young people. Since these people all tend to vote Democratic it is quite clear what the intentions are here.
As usual the right wing power brokers have duped their lackeys into believing it is all the fault of Mexicans. Lucky for them none of the lackeys read.
There are 20 million more stories just like this one:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/06/4...
you have this assumption that there are 20 million people that will not be able to obtain an ID. that is just plain silly. i'll bet if there was free beer and pizza with ID, you would see 19,999,999 people show up with proper cards!
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#13 Mar 14, 2012
It is the law in PA. Provide I.D. or do not vote. If you are to dam lazy to get a free photo I.D. then you won't vote anyway. At least without getting $$$$$

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#15 Mar 15, 2012
Pikachu wrote:
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I'm not physically in China so stay on topic old man before I start with my own personal attacks on you. <wink>
Bring it on!

And quit hiding. <wink> & <wink>

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#16 Mar 15, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
Putting aside the fact that nobody can provide even a single example of an undocumented worker voting the funny part of all of this voter suppression nonsense is that it has absolutely no effect on absentee ballots.
Voter Fraud

Deep in the Heart of Texas

Take, for example, Harris County, the county encompassing Houston, Texas.
The irregularities in voter registration in this jurisdiction have raised
serious concerns over election integrity through the investigative efforts
of nonprofits and Harris County agencies alike.

True the Vote, a nonpartisan, Houston-based nonprofit focusing on electoral
integrity has revealed some startling information. Their effort, which
started out of a small tea party group, focused on volunteering as poll
workers in their local 2009 elections. According to the group's founder,
Catherine Engelbrecht, what started as a simple effort to exercise civic
duty and get involved brought them face to face with what she referred to as
frightening and gross incompetence on the part of some election and county
workers at the polls. Engelbrecht pointed out in her interview with Townhall
that even though Texas law allowed 11 different forms of identification to
be used at that time to verify identity, which was required to vote, she and
her 70 election volunteers noticed that many voters were being allowed to
vote without any identification at all. Texas has since passed voter
identification laws which require the use of a photo identification card.

Engelbrecht's volunteers ultimately submitted 800 signed affidavits
outlining problems they encountered, including having overheard some
election judges telling people who they should and should not vote for.
After these experiences, the group decided to form True the Vote and to
investigate how citizens could help ensure voter integrity and what
processes existed to report abuses or irregularities. Engelbrecht says these
efforts revealed even more frightening examples of degradation to the
election process.

(Continue)

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#17 Mar 15, 2012
Project Veritas Investigates: Voter Fraud III

(Vermont)

Mar 13 2012

On Vermont Primary Day, Project Veritas sent a team of investigators into
polling places throughout the state with a list of both deceased and
still-living voters to see if they would be permitted to vote without
presenting a photo ID.

Our team tested multiple polling places, simply walking up and stating the
name of the registered voter and in all cases -- they were offered ballots.

While our investigators cast no votes and returned the ballots, there was
nothing stopping our team, or anyone else, from illegally influencing the
outcome of a presidential primary.

In fact, as shown in the video, Project Veritas investigators insisted on
presenting identification in order to vote, but were told repeatedly, "you
don't need it."

One investigator was eerily told, "We believe you."

In contrast, Project Veritas' team also tested the integrity of other
establishments in Vermont: Bars and Hotels. Our investigators were
repeatedly turned away for their failure to present a photo ID.

Watch the video for yourself here.

http://theprojectveritas.com/voterfraud3

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Project Veritas Investigates Voter Fraud In Minnesota 24 hours in Advance of
today's Presidential Caucus

Feb 7 2012

NFL Special Edition featuring the names of Tim Tebow and Tom Brady

PARAMUS, NEW JERSEY- During today's Presidential Caucus in Minnesota, voters
may be surprised to see the ease in which individuals may register to vote
for themselves or others without identification requirements of any kind.

In advance of the 2012 Presidential Caucus, Project Veritas' investigators
visited the Land of 10,000 lakes yesterday and inquired with voter
registration officials if they could register on behalf of others ...

...including the names of today's NFL star quarterbacks:

Project Veritas Investigator: "Thomas Brady he just happened to be
assaulted in Minnesota so he's going through a lot of depression so he can't
come in to register to vote.

Voter Registration Official: That's all right ... if he fills this form
out, then he would get on the list where he would automatically, every
election, get one of these forms in the mail which he would then fill out
and mail to us and then we would send him a ballot.

Project Veritas Investigator: "Timothy Tebow, he got in a car accident
recently and I don't think he's going to be able physically to come in to
cast a ballot to vote"

Voter Registration Official: He can always absentee vote.

After visiting five voter-registration offices, Project Veritas'
investigators were provided with dozens of voter-registration applications
that simply had to be mailed back with no identification, notarization, or
other means of verification.

To view our latest investigation, click here!

http://theprojectveritas.com/node/96

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#18 Mar 15, 2012
Engelbrecht's True the Vote organization then decided to look at the actual
registry and not just the new registrations. The group obtained the nearly
2,000,000-person Harris County Voter Registry Role. The group subdivided the
registry by congressional district due to the size of the data.

After the registry was divided into the seven congressional districts which
Harris County encompasses, True the Vote needed a starting point to isolate
red flags for possible irregularities. They decided to start looking at
registrations that had addresses six or more people were registered to.

The group found the seven congressional districts had four that were
predominantly Republican and three that were predominantly Democratic. The
four predominantly Republican districts had a range from 1,973 to 3,300
addresses with six or more people registered to them. The three
predominantly Democratic districts had much higher numbers. Though this
could possibly be attributed to variations in socioeconomic factors between
the predominantly Republican and predominantly Democratic districts, what
the group found next was alarming. The predominantly Democratic districts
themselves had large variations between them in the number of addresses with
six or more registered voters. The first had 7,560, the second 8,981, and
the third-the district of Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, the prominent, outspoken
Democratic congresswoman-had 19,596 instances with six or more voters
registered at one address.

True the Vote then compared the socio-economic demographics of the three
predominantly Democratic congressional districts in an effort to explain why
Jackson Lee's district could have such a high number in comparison.
Engelbrecht told Townhall the group had found no significant difference to
explain such a drastic variation in the numbers.

The group began doing research into the abnormalities in Jackson Lee's
district. They took the first 3,800 registrations of the flagged 19,596
homes with six or more registrants and began to investigate further. The
group visited addresses and scoured property tax records. The group found
many of the addresses were vacant lots or business addresses. Thirty-nine
were registered at businesses and 97 of the addresses were nonexistent. One
hundred six of the registrations revealed the same registrant registered
more than once, and 207 of the addresses turned out to be vacant lots.
Meanwhile, 595 registrations had registrants with driver's license addresses
not matching the registration, and many were voting in a district they did
not live in. Of the random 3,800 registrations from Jackson Lee's
predominantly Democratic district, 25 percent had critical errors which
Engelbrecht believes could result in an erosion of election integrity.

The media began to focus on the findings from the Harris County tax assessor's
office and True the Vote. Shortly after the August 24 press conference
announcing the results of the office's investigation, a fire of unknown
origins burned down the warehouse containing all of Harris County's voting
equipment. In total, the fire claimed 10,000 voting machines, which was
approximately $30,000,000 worth of equipment....

Read more of Brandon Darby's piece in the March isssue of Townhall Magazine.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#19 Mar 15, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
Putting aside the fact that nobody can provide even a single example of an undocumented worker voting the funny part of all of this voter suppression nonsense is that it has absolutely no effect on absentee ballots.
So we are going to deprive 20,000,000 people of their right to vote and it will accomplish nothing. Of course the people who are most likely to not have photo ID are old people, minorities, poor people and young people. Since these people all tend to vote Democratic it is quite clear what the intentions are here.
As usual the right wing power brokers have duped their lackeys into believing it is all the fault of Mexicans. Lucky for them none of the lackeys read.
There are 20 million more stories just like this one:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/06/4...
March 17, 2011 Lake County, ILIllegal alien arrested, charged with voter fraud

http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1103/110317l...

Illegal Immigrant Arrested For Voting In Grayslake

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/03/18/illega...

Border Town Election Ends With Extortion and Voter Fraud Arrests

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/borde...

Of course it is not just illegals voting that prompts the need for voters to provide I.D. when voting.

Rich Miller arrested for illegal voting

http://www.examiner.com/monroe-county-electio...

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#20 Mar 15, 2012
Illegal Immigrants Are Voting in American Elections

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3
percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter
registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court
were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of
registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning
presiden­tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Cen­sus Bureau
estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the
U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting
cases in Florida than in any other state.

Florida is not unique. Thousands of non-citizens are registered to vote in
some states, and tens if not hundreds of thousands in total may be present
on the voter rolls nationwide. These numbers are significant: Local
elections are often decided by only a handful of votes, and even national
elections have likely been within the margin of the number of non-citizens
ille­gally registered to vote.

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php...

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#21 Mar 15, 2012
Illegal Voting

The non-citizen electorate.

By Hans A. von Spakovsky

Amid all the talk of new voters becoming involved in the election,
hopefully one group of voters will not vote in November - non-citizens, many
of whom are illegally registered to vote all over the country, particularly
in the southwest. Although there is no reliable method to determine the
exact number registered aliens, there is evidence that this is a significant
and growing problem.

- Hans A. von Spakovsky served as a member of the Federal Election
Commission and as counsel to the assistant attorney general for civil rights
at the U.S. Department of Justice. His new study on "The Threat of
Non-Citizen Voting" is available at www.heritage.org .

http://article.nationalreview.com/...
Free is free

Rio Rancho, NM

#22 Mar 15, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
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you have this assumption that there are 20 million people that will not be able to obtain an ID. that is just plain silly. i'll bet if there was free beer and pizza with ID, you would see 19,999,999 people show up with proper cards!
The left doesn't just fight any attempt to do something about voter fraud with their cocktail napkin math, they fight any attempt at solid quantification.

Why?

Because they know that if the problem were ever really properly quantified, people would be outraged and there would be no discussion; the issue of voter fraud would be solved - and quickly.

This is why the left is so quick to a) deny there's a problem b) fight any attempt to do *anything*.

Since: Sep 08

Placitas, NM

#25 Mar 15, 2012
Cricket 23 wrote:
Project Veritas Investigates: Voter Fraud III
(Vermont)
Mar 13 2012..........heprojectveritas .com/node/96
POS LIE filled crap from the convicted criminal, proven and demonstrated BALD FACED LIAR, sexual pervert, and Andrew Breitbart's buttboy. Posting crap fromthat POS indicates either the psoter is totally ignorant &/or deliberately promoting the crap from a BALD FACED LIAR.

O'KEEFE'S LATEST FRAUDULENT 'VOTER FRAUD' VIDEO EVEN MORE FRAUDULENT THAN WE ORIGINALLY REPORTED http://www.bradblog.com/...

JAMES O’KEEFE’S ‘FAKE TIM TEBOW’ VOTER FRAUD ‘INVESTIGATION’ DOESN’T HAVE A PRAYER http://www.mediaite.com/online/james-okeefes-...

O'KEEFE RELEASES ANOTHER NEW VIDEO FRAUDULENTLY PURPORTING TO ILLUSTRATE 'VOTER FRAUD' IN MINNESOTA http://www.bradblog.com/...
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#26 Mar 15, 2012
The Big Lebowski wrote:
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IMO, this voter ID debate is being sold on the pretense that the USA has rampant voter fraud in the USA. Cases such as Acorn or the rash of recent Republican voter fraud schemes such as that of Republican Secretary of State Charlie White or Republican Chicago's William J. Kelly.
So now the radical right wants everyone to have a voter ID card to stop voter fraud.
Lets be honest here for a second... what will that accomplish if all a person has to do it go get a fake ID to vote?
Common sense is now a "radical right wing" concept. O.K.

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