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"Woman" isn't vague at all; you just cannot understand context. A fetus is not a woman; it's just one of your childish ways of degrading the debate; it's a classic PLM tactic to redefine words to create some kind of visceral response. This was just stupider than most.

We aren't debating iran or their meaningless religion; we are talking about this country (and the meaningless religion here.)

zef wrote:

<quoted text>Woman is not a legal term. Woman is a vague term used in reference to female humans, which female fetus are.
Recently The Legal Affairs Committee of the Majles, the Iranian Parliament, has told the press that they regard the law that prohibits the girls below the age of 10 from being married off as ‘un-Islamic and illegal.’ Mr. Mr. Mohammad Ali Isfehani, the spokesperson for Majles said “As some people may not comply with our current Islamic system the appropriate age for a girl to have reached puberty and qualified to get married. They contradict and challenge the Islamic Shari’ah law.’
Recently in Iran more than 75 female children under 10 were forced to marry much older men.
http://twocircles.net/2012aug06/child_marriag...

Ocean56 wrote:

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Exactly, and this includes the "christian" religion.
Of course, the christianistas here would prefer that we only criticize islam. They've declared criticizing christianity unacceptable. Problem for the christianistas? I don't listen to them.:-)

The christianistas need to start seeing themselves as a mirror image of radical Islam.

They should expect equal criticism for their views on women! we can help them with that...for sure!

cpeter1313 wrote:

"Woman" isn't vague at all; you just cannot understand context. A fetus is not a woman; it's just one of your childish ways of degrading the debate; it's a classic PLM tactic to redefine words to create some kind of visceral response. This was just stupider than most.
We aren't debating iran or their meaningless religion; we are talking about this country (and the meaningless religion here.)
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Of course a fetus isn't a woman. A rat fetus isn't a woman. An elephant fetus isn't a woman. No male fetus is a woman. However, female human fetus are women.

woman
noun
1. the female human being ( distinguished from man).
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/woman

woman
n pl women
2.(modifier) female or feminine; a woman politician, woman talk, woman fetus
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/woman

Jim Hayden wrote:

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That's the best you are able to do.
"No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution
No where does it say born or walking around. It simply says No Person.
per·son/&#712;p&#601;r s&#601;n/Noun
1. A human being regarded as an individual.
2. Used in legal or formal contexts to refer to an unspecified individual.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/person
The behavior of the zygote is radically unlike that of either sperm or egg separately and is characteristic of a human organism. Thus, the scientific evidence supports the conclusion that a zygote is a human organism and that the life of a new human being commences at a scientifically well defined “moment of conception.”
http://www.westchesterinstitute.net/resources...
Okay so a person's life begins at the moment of conception. Therefore under both the 5th and 14th Amendments even the zygote has the RIGHT to LIFE. I do believe that scientific proof and a dictionary definition carry a little more weight than the opinion of a liberal judge.
My name is Jim Hayden and I AM the next American President
http://www.jimhayden2012.org
My name is Jim Hayden and I AM the next American President
http://www.jimhayden2012.org

A zygote doesn't have the possibility of individual life as it is. Calling it a baby when it's a fertilized egg doesn't make it one. Many zygotes will be naturally aborted by the body for one natural deficiency or another, up to 25%! Until the last trimester, the fetus(long after it's a zygote) doesn't have the brain wave activity nor lung function to live as an individual and that's considering it doesn't have some terrible deformity that would be fatal outside of the womb.

Lots of things have human DNA structure but will never turn out to be a human being: molar pregnancies, zygotes that are formed with disordered chromosomes, viruses, cancer, etc...Personhood would imply the ability to live as an individual and to refer to a zygote as such is misconstruing the facts at best, pandering for political support at worse.

You lying sack of crap; you altered your own reference. the free dictionary does NOT mention "woman fetus."

zef wrote:

<quoted text>Of course a fetus isn't a woman. A rat fetus isn't a woman. An elephant fetus isn't a woman. No male fetus is a woman. However, female human fetus are women.
woman
noun
1. the female human being ( distinguished from man).
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/woman
woman
n pl women
2.(modifier) female or feminine; a woman politician, woman talk, woman fetus
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/woman

cpeter1313 wrote:

You lying sack of crap; you altered your own reference. the free dictionary does NOT mention "woman fetus."
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Just because you can't think for yourself. Does not mean everyone else is a blithering idiot.

a voter wrote:

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A zygote doesn't have the possibility of individual life as it is. Calling it a baby when it's a fertilized egg doesn't make it one. Many zygotes will be naturally aborted by the body for one natural deficiency or another, up to 25%! Until the last trimester, the fetus(long after it's a zygote) doesn't have the brain wave activity nor lung function to live as an individual and that's considering it doesn't have some terrible deformity that would be fatal outside of the womb.
Lots of things have human DNA structure but will never turn out to be a human being: molar pregnancies, zygotes that are formed with disordered chromosomes, viruses, cancer, etc...Personhood would imply the ability to live as an individual and to refer to a zygote as such is misconstruing the facts at best, pandering for political support at worse.

Human Development
Assorted Quotes from Textbooks

The Developing Human Being
By Keith Moore, and T.V.N. Persaud
7th edition, 2003
“Zygote. This cell results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm during fertilization. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”(p. 2)

Langman’s Medical Embryology
T. W. Sadler
9th edition, 2004
“Development begins with fertilization, the process by which the male gamete, the sperm, and the female gamete, the oocyte, unite to give rise to a zygote.”(p. 3)

Why Alcohol is Dangerous
When a pregnant woman drinks alcohol, so does her unborn baby. Alcohol in the mother's blood passes through the placenta to the baby through the umbilical cord. Drinking alcohol during pregnancy can cause miscarriage, stillbirth, and a range of lifelong disorders, known as fetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASDs).
When Alcohol is Dangerous
There is no known safe time to drink alcohol during pregnancy. Drinking alcohol in the first three months of pregnancy can cause the baby to have abnormal facial features. Growth and central nervous system problems (e.g., low birthweight, behavioral problems) can occur from drinking alcohol anytime during pregnancy. The baby’s brain is developing throughout pregnancy and can be damaged at any time.
If a woman is drinking alcohol during pregnancy, it is never too late to stop. The sooner a woman stops drinking, the better it will be for both her baby and herself.
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If you are pregnant or trying to get pregnant and cannot stop drinking, get help! Contact your doctor, local Alcoholics Anonymous, or local alcohol treatment center.

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cpeter1313 wrote:

You lying sack of crap; you altered your own reference. the free dictionary does NOT mention "woman fetus."
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References can't be altered, dimwit.

zef wrote:

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Just because you can't think for yourself. Does not mean everyone else is a blithering idiot.

You edited the definition of woman to fit your creepy need, freakazoid. That makes you a blithering idiot, no one else.

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>You edited the definition of woman to fit your creepy need, freakazoid. That makes you a blithering idiot, no one else.

Edited? Edited how? Creepy need? Creepy need how? I didn't edit anything. Your the creep. And I sure don't need you, and your gang of liars.

cpeter1313 wrote:

You lying sack of crap; you altered your own reference. the free dictionary does NOT mention "woman fetus."
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What makes you think the words "woman fetus" were ever in my reference. Show some evidence that I removed the words "woman fetus" from my reference. If the words even were removed from my reference, which I highly doubt, since the words "women fetus" as far as I know are my own, and as far as i know only contained in my post. I did not remove them. I'm not a hacker. I don't know the first thing about hacking. I have absolutely no control over the content of the free dictionary website. But I sincerely doubt the words "woman fetus" were ever in my reference.

zef wrote:

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What makes you think the words "woman fetus" were ever in my reference. Show some evidence that I removed the words "woman fetus" from my reference. If the words even were removed from my reference, which I highly doubt, since the words "women fetus" as far as I know are my own, and as far as i know only contained in my post. I did not remove them. I'm not a hacker. I don't know the first thing about hacking. I have absolutely no control over the content of the free dictionary website. But I sincerely doubt the words "woman fetus" were ever in my reference.

Read the last line of the pozt with your citations. You changed it. It's not the same as in the link you provided. You're an idiot :-D

zef wrote:

<quoted text>Edited? Edited how? Creepy need? Creepy need how? I didn't edit anything. Your the creep. And I sure don't need you, and your gang of liars.

Yeah, you did. Read your post, check the definitions. Then, STFU.

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>Read the last line of the pozt with your citations. You changed it. It's not the same as in the link you provided. You're an idiot :-D

Changed what? I have no way of changing the words of my posts once they are posted. Many atime I've noticed a mispelled word after posting, yet I am stuck with that. I have absolutely no way of changing the words of my posts once they've been posted. And I have absolutely no control over the words contained in my links. Are you trying to say, that according to you, the words of my posts and the words contained in the references in my posts must be the same? How on earth did you arrive at that idiotic conclusion? You and your ilk go on and on about pro-choice this, and right to choose that, when it comes to killing your babies. But I'm not even allowed to choose my own words? You sicken me.

zef wrote:

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Human Development
Assorted Quotes from Textbooks
The Developing Human Being
By Keith Moore, and T.V.N. Persaud
7th edition, 2003
“Zygote. This cell results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm during fertilization. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”(p. 2)
Langman’s Medical Embryology
T. W. Sadler
9th edition, 2004
“Development begins with fertilization, the process by which the male gamete, the sperm, and the female gamete, the oocyte, unite to give rise to a zygote.”(p. 3)

Again a fertilized egg or zygote, may or may not go on to make an actual walking, talking human being. UP TO 25% of them will spontaneously abort, and that's just of the ones that even make it to implantation. A lot of them don't make it that far b?c they take too long to make it to the uterus. This is natural design. It prevents overpopulation. I supposed you have some stiff words for nature or whatever diety you follow if you supposed to find fault for zygotes not getting to the stages of viability and sustainable life.

I am not sure the point is of calling an egg a chicken here. It is natural design that not all fertilized eggs will become humans, much to the dismay of many women who are trying to concieve, particularly the ones getting IVF who know the stage is set, alas get no baby. Sometimes you can't literally do everything in your power to make a baby and it just doesn't work out.

a voter wrote:

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Again a fertilized egg or zygote, may or may not go on to make an actual walking, talking human being. UP TO 25% of them will spontaneously abort, and that's just of the ones that even make it to implantation. A lot of them don't make it that far b?c they take too long to make it to the uterus. This is natural design. It prevents overpopulation. I supposed you have some stiff words for nature or whatever diety you follow if you supposed to find fault for zygotes not getting to the stages of viability and sustainable life.
I am not sure the point is of calling an egg a chicken here. It is natural design that not all fertilized eggs will become humans, much to the dismay of many women who are trying to concieve, particularly the ones getting IVF who know the stage is set, alas get no baby. Sometimes you can't literally do everything in your power to make a baby and it just doesn't work out.

As will a neonate, may or may not, make an actual walking talking human being. Because young people might die before they achieve your lofty level of superior development, they're not people? Your demented agist bigotry, and hatemongering sickens me.

zef wrote:

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As will a neonate, may or may not, make an actual walking talking human being. Because young people might die before they achieve your lofty level of superior development, they're not people? Your demented agist bigotry, and hatemongering sickens me.

I am none of those vile things you communicate in your writing.

Way to misconstrue things though! Of course, you don't have to walk or talk to be alive, it's often used as figure of speech. Would functioning/breathing help you to understand?

A neonate has life and has passed the milestones of development that gave it life, viability and birth. It has brain function and was given the "breath of life" so to speak. A zygote has this possibility although much to the dismay of many women, won't pass the milestones to make it to a birth date and time. That is the point made that was completely misconstrued.

zef wrote:

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Because young people might die before they achieve your lofty level of superior development, they're not people?

To die means you are born and have life. A person would have to already be a breathing human being in order to die.

a voter wrote:

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I am none of those vile things you communicate in your writing.
Way to misconstrue things though! Of course, you don't have to walk or talk to be alive, it's often used as figure of speech. Would functioning/breathing help you to understand?
A neonate has life and has passed the milestones of development that gave it life, viability and birth. It has brain function and was given the "breath of life" so to speak. A zygote has this possibility although much to the dismay of many women, won't pass the milestones to make it to a birth date and time. That is the point made that was completely misconstrued.

And might I add that zygotes are not even accepted into the uterus to develop an embryo. To say it already has a life of it's own is well, pre-conceived. It may or may not implant to even begin a pregnancy.