BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Ellen

Arlington, MA

#90506 Jul 11, 2012
akpilot wrote:
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It doesn't say anything about "Natural Born Citizen" It sure does say a lot about "Subjects" though- there is a big difference, and there is a significant reason why the founders did not call us "Subjects". You should study it.
BTW, would not his father have fallen under British rule? Which at the time claimed Obama as a "SUBJECT"- or do you not like interjecting british law into our Constitution anymore?
Re: "there is a significant reason why the founders did not call us "Subjects". You should study it."

I agree with you that we are citizens, not subjects.

But the issue is whether the requirements for a Natural Born Citizen are different from the requirements for a Natural Born Subject. IF they were different, the writers of the US Constitution would tell us about the difference--but they didn't. Yes, subjects and citizens are different, but there is no evidence that the Natural Born requirements for citizens are different from the Natural Born requirements for subjects.

It would have been easy for the writers in an article or in a letter to say: "George, do you realize that we are citizens now, and therefore we should change the Natural Born requirement from birth in the country to parents." But, you know, there is no such letter.

Re: "BTW, would not his father have fallen under British rule? Which at the time claimed Obama as a "SUBJECT"

Answer. Yes that is true. But we have already had a discussion of dual citizenship. We have already had several US presidents who were either dual citizens at birth (Wilson, Eisenhower) or when they were president (Jefferson, Madison). Like Wilson, Obama was a dual citizen of the USA and Britain at birth, and that fact does not affect NBC status.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#90507 Jul 11, 2012
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup, just a citizen, no mention of natural born.
Kind of like Article I of the Constitution, just a Citizen.
So a person born of citizen parents in the US cannot ever be eligible for congress because s/he is not "just a citizen" as required by Article 1 of the Birfoonistan constitution?

"Just a citizen" is that mystical, separate and distinct, third class of citizen which is distinguished from naturalized and natural born citizens of Birfoonistan.

According to birfoons Jack Kennedy was not a "citizen of the United States" because he was not "just a citizen."
Learn to Read wrote:
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Yes. You are a sorry idiot. Did the court say he was "just a citizen"?
Of course they didn't but we know Birfoons love to fantasize about words in invisible ink
Learn to Read

Chicago, IL

#90508 Jul 11, 2012
English for Dummies (pay attn Fake Pilot):
.....

The court just said "he is a citizen". They said nothing more.

The court said "he is just a citizen, nothing more".

.....

Now who among the Birfoons can explain why those two statements don't have the same meaning? Warning - English comprehension may be required.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90509 Jul 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
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Wow, moron Rogue doesn't know the difference between having a diverse investment portfolio and hiding one's assets out of the country.
Rogue --again-- has his economic illiteracy on full display.
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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What a coincidende. I almost said the same thing, see post I just wrote.
It's anti-Obama, GB, he HAS to like it.
oh yes I do. Can YOU prove Romney has a secrete account anywhere outside the U.S.?
What is the REAL issue is that you Dems want Romney to release ALL of his IRS records for the past ten years. So you do a straw-man allegation that he was "secrete accounts". If they are "secrete accounts, would the IRS know?
Yea, you want Romney to release ALL of his records but O'Bummer does not want to release his records! That is a perfect example of being flaming hypocrites.
Oh, Jacques, can you show us where "I" predicted that Republican mayoral candidate Hagan would win the Jacksonville election in May 2011?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90510 Jul 11, 2012
Oh oh, Jimmie J.J. Walker will be on Fox News tonight! I wonder what Kid Dynomite has to say about .......?
Ellen

Arlington, MA

#90511 Jul 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, moron Rogue doesn't know the difference between having a diverse investment portfolio and hiding one's assets out of the country.
Rogue --again-- has his economic illiteracy on full display.
<quoted text>
oh yes I do. Can YOU prove Romney has a secrete account anywhere outside the U.S.?
What is the REAL issue is that you Dems want Romney to release ALL of his IRS records for the past ten years. So you do a straw-man allegation that he was "secrete accounts". If they are "secrete accounts, would the IRS know?
Yea, you want Romney to release ALL of his records but O'Bummer does not want to release his records! That is a perfect example of being flaming hypocrites.
Oh, Jacques, can you show us where "I" predicted that Republican mayoral candidate Hagan would win the Jacksonville election in May 2011?
HOWEVER. Obama has already released TWELVE years of his tax returns ( http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web... ) and Romney has released only one year.

Neither Obama nor Romney has shown school records, college records, college papers, passport records, etc.---so that is a wash. So the issue is the tax returns, which Obama has shown for many years and Romney for only one year--and that when he was not in business.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#90512 Jul 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hmmmm, Mitt Romney has taken in $50M more in donations in the past two months than has O'Bummer Boys. Can you do the math?
O'Bummer started two months ago with negative campaigning. Normally candidates do not go negative until after their party Conventions and usually they are behind in the polls or they can not run on their record.
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Hmmmm, Run, Dodge and Jump! What prediction did I make above? I just gave FACTS.
The fact is, is that Romney is raising more money than O'Bummer is. And the other fact is that O'Bummer is doing negative attack adds against Romney. And why wood he do that?
Remember last year when I quoted form a local Jacksonville poll, made two weeks before our mayoral, that the REPUBLICAN candidate was leading by 10 points only to lose by ONE point to Mayor Brown and YOU said "I" a had made the prediction the Republican wood win when in FACT it was a local newspaper that did!!!
You are the one that can't seem to face the facts.
Oh, yes, and let's no forget some of your other predictions.....

1) That once the repubs won the House in 2010, they would issue subpoenas to Obama.

2) The birthers would win the GA court case.

3) The USSC would overturn Obamacare.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90513 Jul 11, 2012
Just in case you Libtards thought I misspelled Dynomite;

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90514 Jul 11, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
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More strange obsessions by a Birfoon
<quoted text>

Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rush Limbaugh always lets Liberals to to the front of his call-in line and on the average it takes them less that twenty SECONDS to start to make degrading remarks.
The NAZIs did the same thing. Once a group of people where considered less than human, it was okay to murder them. Libtards consider us Conservatives as morons, idiots, retarded, etc. and once they do, it is okay to bring it to our attention. Wehn all it really means is, they lost their argument.
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
This is coming from Rogue Moron?
You realize you spend 12 hours a day name-calling, don't you?
You call me a Birther (which is name calling) but I am proud that I am a Birther. And you should be proud to be a Libtard!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90515 Jul 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
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Wow, moron Rogue doesn't know the difference between having a diverse investment portfolio and hiding one's assets out of the country.
Rogue --again-- has his economic illiteracy on full display.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90516 Jul 11, 2012
Hmmmm, Mitt Romney just addressed the NAACP Convention ..... and got a relatively warm reception. All to often Republicans are treated rudely at the NAACP Conventions and because they often are they sometimes pass up an invitation to do so.
Oh, he did get a few boos but they were comparatively mild. Could it been that a lot of black folks are tired of Obama's high unemployment policy?
Learn to Read

Chicago, IL

#90518 Jul 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
More strange obsessions by a Birfoon
<quoted text>

Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rush Limbaugh always lets Liberals to to the front of his call-in line and on the average it takes them less that twenty SECONDS to start to make degrading remarks.
The NAZIs did the same thing. Once a group of people where considered less than human, it was okay to murder them. Libtards consider us Conservatives as morons, idiots, retarded, etc. and once they do, it is okay to bring it to our attention. Wehn all it really means is, they lost their argument.

You call me a Birther (which is name calling) but I am proud that I am a Birther. And you should be proud to be a Libtard!
You are wrong (again). You should be ashamed to be so consistently wrong about so many things.

Why don't you stick to your homophobic rants? You've obviously practiced those quite a bit

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90521 Jul 11, 2012
Oh so little time and so many Libtards to insult. It's a tough job but someone has to do it!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90522 Jul 11, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
More strange obsessions by a Birfoon
<quoted text>

Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rush Limbaugh always lets Liberals to to the front of his call-in line and on the average it takes them less that twenty SECONDS to start to make degrading remarks.
The NAZIs did the same thing. Once a group of people where considered less than human, it was okay to murder them. Libtards consider us Conservatives as morons, idiots, retarded, etc. and once they do, it is okay to bring it to our attention. Wehn all it really means is, they lost their argument.

Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
You call me a Birther (which is name calling) but I am proud that I am a Birther. And you should be proud to be a Libtard!
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
You are wrong (again). You should be ashamed to be so consistently wrong about so many things.
Why don't you stick to your homophobic rants? You've obviously practiced those quite a bit
Sorry Tootsie, I am secure in my sexuality and I am not homophobic. But I can not stop you homies thinking that I am!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90523 Jul 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rush Limbaugh always lets Liberals to to the front of his call-in line and on the average it takes them less that twenty SECONDS to start to make degrading remarks.
The NAZIs did the same thing. Once a group of people where considered less than human, it was okay to murder them. Libtards consider us Conservatives as morons, idiots, retarded, etc. and once they do, it is okay to bring it to our attention. When all it really means is, they lost their argument.

Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
You call me a Birther (which is name calling) but I am proud that I am a Birther. And you should be proud to be a Libtard!
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
You are wrong (again). You should be ashamed to be so consistently wrong about so many things.
Why don't you stick to your homophobic rants? You've obviously practiced those quite a bit
Is it possible for you to explain where I am wrong? We all know you have a problem with reading comprehension but you also seem to have a problem writing more than one or two sentences.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90524 Jul 11, 2012
QUOTE OF THE CENTURY.......

Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way that you can quickly understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper Prager Zeitungon on 04.28.2010.

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.
The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.
The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."
Learn to Read

Chicago, IL

#90525 Jul 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rush Limbaugh always lets Liberals to to the front of his call-in line and on the average it takes them less that twenty SECONDS to start to make degrading remarks.
The NAZIs did the same thing. Once a group of people where considered less than human, it was okay to murder them. Libtards consider us Conservatives as morons, idiots, retarded, etc. and once they do, it is okay to bring it to our attention. When all it really means is, they lost their argument.

Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
You call me a Birther (which is name calling) but I am proud that I am a Birther. And you should be proud to be a Libtard!

Is it possible for you to explain where I am wrong? We all know you have a problem with reading comprehension but you also seem to have a problem writing more than one or two sentences.
Where to begin? For starters your fantasy that anyone who refuses to Jon in the great Birfoon circle jerk must be a liberal could not possibly be more wrong....., Then of course we have every other Birfoon fable that you do desperately wish were true
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#90526 Jul 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>Also, Libtards think that by shouting at people, people will understand their message when all it really does is make them look like some one with a weak argument.
I want my, I want my, I want my MTV!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =lAD6Obi7CagXX
And some birthers think that bad-mouthing and degrading special needs/intellectually-challenge d people by insulting them, although they can't defend themselves, is right on.
Gosch Foundation

Ishpeming, MI

#90527 Jul 11, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
Hey Jock, are you an "oil driller?"
That would explain your devotion to Obama ass crack!
:P
A Fresh Look, by Carla Binion, Nazis and the Republican Party, Nazi ...
Nazis and the Republican Party. Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says
in BLOWBACK that after World War II, Nazi émigrés were given CIA subsidies ...

http://www.bartcop.com/nazigop.htm - 12k -
Cabal capitalists are terrorist murderers in the same sense that any other terrorist group is: they "engage in violent or life-threatening acts that are a violation of the criminal laws of the State and are intended to intimidate or coerce the civilian population, to influence the policy of the government by intimidation or coercion, and to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping." 1

Capitalist terrorism--the economic and military murder of workers worldwide--is an ongoing operation. To keep track of these outrages, it's necessary to update the record on an ongoing basis.
In 2008, capitalist economic terrorists destroyed the American economy through its criminal financial miscreancy. They set up a capitalist-dominated perversion of an economy in which American worker taxes were looted by the very economic criminals that had perpetrated the terrorism.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#90528 Jul 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, moron Rogue doesn't know the difference between having a diverse investment portfolio and hiding one's assets out of the country.
Rogue --again-- has his economic illiteracy on full display.
<quoted text>
oh yes I do. Can YOU prove Romney has a secrete account anywhere outside the U.S.?
What is the REAL issue is that you Dems want Romney to release ALL of his IRS records for the past ten years. So you do a straw-man allegation that he was "secrete accounts". If they are "secrete accounts, would the IRS know?
Yea, you want Romney to release ALL of his records but O'Bummer does not want to release his records! That is a perfect example of being flaming hypocrites.
Oh, Jacques, can you show us where "I" predicted that Republican mayoral candidate Hagan would win the Jacksonville election in May 2011?
Number 1. Secret bank accounts. I'll prove it when you come up with my 47+ proofs I asked you for, proof of statements you made up. Start with GE jet engines and proof that Dems commit more fraud at election time than Repubs. Funny how silent you are on that. I did say he exported jobs. That's well known, no need to prove that. Incidentally, I never mentioned his IRS records. I wouldn't do that, as that exceeds making comments. I comment on US matters, I call a spade a spade, but I refrain from criticising. I live in a glass house also;
Number 2. For Pete's sake, you predicted the Tea Party candidate's victory, and he lost. Last week, or a couple days ago, you said you just believed what the press said about his "certain victory" and repeated it . So you were misled and paid for being over-enthusiastic. Deal with it instead of asking me for proof. You know damn well I'm not going to go digging 6 or 8 months back on this. Everyone, including you, knows you predicted a sure-fire victory. And the governor gave a plum patronage govt job to the sure winner, how Repub is that?

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