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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#90532 Jul 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hmmmm, Mitt Romney just addressed the NAACP Convention ..... and got a relatively warm reception. All to often Republicans are treated rudely at the NAACP Conventions and because they often are they sometimes pass up an invitation to do so.
Oh, he did get a few boos but they were comparatively mild. Could it been that a lot of black folks are tired of Obama's high unemployment policy?
Rogue wrote : QUOTE "All to often Republicans are treated rudely at the NAACP Conventions " UNQUOTE

Care to show some evidence of that? I'll not hold my breath.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#90533 Jul 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
QUOTE OF THE CENTURY.......
Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way that you can quickly understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper Prager Zeitungon on 04.28.2010.
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.
The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.
The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."
Ahhh, not from Pravda this time, but from a Czech Rep rag posing as a newspaper. And you, Rogue, it's what you scoured the web to find. Eureka, a good one against Ohama and never mind the source, it is, for you, orgasmic-like. You can't find one decent US newspaper criticising Obama the way this Czech trash can does. You probably found this site by typing "Anything in the foreign press that makes Obama look bad.com and sure 'nuf, here it is. Rogue, you don't read very much , do you? No respectable paper, US or foreign, would call a US president "prince of the fools" and use words like "folly". They may criticise him, as is their right, but not in such a base manner.

Oh, BTW, and totally unrelated, I love this, Consumer Reports rates Waffle House at the very bottom in this month's edition, gives it the highest number of insalubrity points cleanliness-wise. It's called the "clean" index, ha ha. A nation-leading 21 points, eons ahead of whoever's in second place. Ha ha. Bon Appétit.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#90536 Jul 11, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep more invisible ink no English comprehension. Sucks to be you
I can't help it if you have trouble making 2+2 equal 4.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#90537 Jul 11, 2012
Jacques,
I don't know. There just seems to be an inordinate amount of tumult in regard to that Illinois Senate seat.
You know which one. I think it's cursed
I mean, look at that poor Mark Kirk. He's been incapacitated for some time now. Maybe a year.
Gov. Blagojevich is doing hard time in the federal pen.
Roland Burris, he was a bench-warmer and cheer-leader.
Patrick Fitgerald financed his own elction with his family fortune and personal campaign war-chest.
It is a very bad omen, Jacques.
There's more to follow.
loose

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#90538 Jul 11, 2012
Ellen wrote:
<quoted text>
Re: "there is a significant reason why the founders did not call us "Subjects". You should study it."
I agree with you that we are citizens, not subjects.
But the issue is whether the requirements for a Natural Born Citizen are different from the requirements for a Natural Born Subject. IF they were different, the writers of the US Constitution would tell us about the difference--but they didn't.
They did, you just refuse to read about it.
Ellen

Arlington, MA

#90539 Jul 11, 2012

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#90540 Jul 11, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
So a person born of citizen parents in the US cannot ever be eligible for congress because s/he is not "just a citizen" as required by Article 1 of the Birfoonistan constitution?
You're an idiot. Have you grown so tired of having your a$$ handed to you that you are now going to act like a child, making ridiculous assertions that make no sense? Oh wait, you have already done that for years.

BTW, we are all still waiting for you to explain how- Slaves and Indians, whom most certainly were born on our soil were not "Citizens", since it is your assertion that the only criteria for citizenship, and beyond that, natural born status is achieved.

Learn to Read

Chicago, IL

#90541 Jul 11, 2012
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>I can't help it if you have trouble making 2+2 equal 4.
And I can't help it if every court in the country looks at your blank sheet of paper and says "sorry loser, there are no 2's on the page"
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#90542 Jul 11, 2012
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
I don't know. There just seems to be an inordinate amount of tumult in regard to that Illinois Senate seat.
You know which one. I think it's cursed
I mean, look at that poor Mark Kirk. He's been incapacitated for some time now. Maybe a year.
Gov. Blagojevich is doing hard time in the federal pen.
Roland Burris, he was a bench-warmer and cheer-leader.
Patrick Fitgerald financed his own elction with his family fortune and personal campaign war-chest.
It is a very bad omen, Jacques.
There's more to follow.
loose
Given such a history, and everyone knowing about it, I don't think Obama's idiotic enough to do anyone any favours. He may not be everyone's favourite, but he's no dummy.
Ellen

Arlington, MA

#90543 Jul 11, 2012
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
They did, you just refuse to read about it.
No they didn't. There are no articles or letters saying: "Let us follow Vattel," or "Two citizen parents should be required" (Or even "one citizen parent should be required," or "let us change the rule from the old place of birth to parents"---or anything like that at all.

Instead, we have the clear use of the term Natural Born Citizen to refer to the place of birth in this quotation, written in 1803:

"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration....St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.(1803)

(As you can see, that refers only to the PLACE of birth, not to the parents. Natural Born Citizens were "those born within the state."

And we have this quotation from 1829:

"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed.(1829)

Both were written by legal scholars who were familiar with the writers of the Constitution.

Moreover, a search of the writings of Adams, Hamilton, Wilson, Madison and others shows that they frequently used the term "Natural Born" the way that it was used in the common law, and that they never used it to refer to parents.

So we have historical evidence that the writers of the US Constitution and other Americans at the time used Natural Born Citizen the way that it was used in the common law, and no examples of them using it in the Vattel way, and certainly there were no articles or letters saying "let us use NBC to refer to parents", or "let us use NBC like Vattel", or "let us change the rule on NBC from the place of birth to the parents."

In addition to this historical research, the Wong Kim Ark decision ruled (as has the historical research) that the meaning of Natural Born actually does come from the common law, and that it actually does refer to the place of birth.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#90545 Jul 11, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Any self-respecting Democrat would reject your vote. Sorry, your two votes.
Hey Buttune. Do you have on your big girl panties today or do I need to go get my kiddie gloves again? LMAO
Learn to Read

Chicago, IL

#90546 Jul 11, 2012
Ellen wrote:
<quoted text>No they didn't. There are no articles or letters saying: "Let us follow Vattel," or "Two citizen parents should be required" (Or even "one citizen parent should be required," or "let us change the rule from the old place of birth to parents"---or anything like that at all.

.
And of course we have the charters and constitutions of several Colonies and States (written before ratification of the US Constitution) specifically stating that "Natural Born Citizen" meant someone born there. But of course Birfoons fantasize that the delegates from these States (and ratifying Legislatures of these States) all meant to abandon this clear and explicit meaning forget that it might otherwise allow a semi-black man with a funny name to become POTUS someday
Ellen

Arlington, MA

#90547 Jul 11, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
And of course we have the charters and constitutions of several Colonies and States (written before ratification of the US Constitution) specifically stating that "Natural Born Citizen" meant someone born there. But of course Birfoons fantasize that the delegates from these States (and ratifying Legislatures of these States) all meant to abandon this clear and explicit meaning forget that it might otherwise allow a semi-black man with a funny name to become POTUS someday
Worse than that, far far worse.

They fantasize that the men who had written: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" really believed that the US-born children of foreigners were not as good as the US-born children of US citizens and that they believed that BUT never told us about it.

Well, you know, those of us who have had loyal foreign-born parents or grandparents (millions of whom fought in two world wars) resent the idea that the US-born children of foreigners are likely to be less loyal than the US-born children of US-citizens.

And, since there is absolutely no evidence that the writers of the US Constitution did either, then why should we believe that they believed it unless they told us that the did---which of course they didn't.???

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90548 Jul 11, 2012
No wonder O'Bummer Boy is having problems raising money!

It's Raining Dems: Clinton Pals Stephanopoulos and Carville Avoid Obama's Woes By Scott Whitlock 7/10/12

It may have looked like a Bill Clinton reunion tour, but it sounded like a Jimmy Carter pity party. Former Democratic operative George Stephanopoulos interviewed current Democratic operatives James Carville and Stan Greenberg on Tuesday's Good Morning America.

All three did their very best to avoid gloomy predictions for Barack Obama or to blame the President for the reeling economy. In fact, the name of the current Democrat in the White House came up only once.
http://www.mrc.org/biasalerts/its-raining-dem...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90549 Jul 11, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
And of course we have the charters and constitutions of several Colonies and States (written before ratification of the US Constitution) specifically stating that "Natural Born Citizen" meant someone born there. But of course Birfoons fantasize that the delegates from these States (and ratifying Legislatures of these States) all meant to abandon this clear and explicit meaning forget that it might otherwise allow a semi-black man with a funny name to become POTUS someday
You mean if Obama was born in Rhodes Island he would be a Natural Born citizen but if he was born in Maine, he would not be?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90550 Jul 11, 2012
Ellen wrote:
http://cpmonitor.wordpress.com /2012/07/11/wheres-the-money-j oseph-farah/
Ah, but no one has shown proof positive that he was born anywhere. Good try there Tootsie. But no cigar.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90551 Jul 11, 2012
According to Monica, if your cigar starts to smoke, you are doing it way to fast. She recommends Kentucky Jelly.
Oh, and Kentucky Jelly will also prevent the tobacco stains on your lower lips too.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#90552 Jul 11, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahhh, not from Pravda this time, but from a Czech Rep rag posing as a newspaper. And you, Rogue, it's what you scoured the web to find. Eureka, a good one against Ohama and never mind the source, it is, for you, orgasmic-like. You can't find one decent US newspaper criticising Obama the way this Czech trash can does. You probably found this site by typing "Anything in the foreign press that makes Obama look bad.com and sure 'nuf, here it is. Rogue, you don't read very much , do you? No respectable paper, US or foreign, would call a US president "prince of the fools" and use words like "folly". They may criticise him, as is their right, but not in such a base manner.
Oh, BTW, and totally unrelated, I love this, Consumer Reports rates Waffle House at the very bottom in this month's edition, gives it the highest number of insalubrity points cleanliness-wise. It's called the "clean" index, ha ha. A nation-leading 21 points, eons ahead of whoever's in second place. Ha ha. Bon Appétit.
Well, Obama is probably doing what Woodrow Wilson did by send thugs around to beat up any editor of any news paper that wrote anything bad about him.
It is easy, all he has to say "I don't like that article" and someone will do his dirty work. It was like when he said Trayvon Martin was the son he would have like to have had and the entire media turned out to attack Geo. Zimmerman.
Tell us, did the New Black Panthers publish their "Wanted Dead or Alive" poster before or after Obama spoke.
Oh, the Waffle House I go to seems to have no problems.
Learn to Read

Chicago, IL

#90553 Jul 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>You mean if Obama was born in Rhodes Island he would be a Natural Born citizen but if he was born in Maine, he would not be?
Yep. Birfoons seem to believe that the definition of NBC of the United States varies depending on which State you are in. Apparently Azz has abolished the term altogether and KY has added the (unless we can't find the State where you were born on our map) exception
ppl person

Ostrander, OH

#90554 Jul 11, 2012
"laughs @ RS 05"

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