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Sorry, BirfoonBoy, but George's expense account is publicly known. And after he became President, he didn't change his tune.
If you want to read about his lifestyle on the public trough you might check out:
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So, in the end, how much did Washington spend over his eight years of service?
$449,261.51, in 1780 dollars.
Who paid? The tooth fairy?
And then he was President. Who paid for his expenses?
"Once President, Washington made the same offer to exchange a salary for an expense account. He was politely rebuffed and given a modest $25,000-a-year salary."
Hee hee hee.
So what was the tax rate then?

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You didn't pay for it unless you're an old codger in a wheel chair with no teeth no hair and a pound of viagra.
Juvenile, infantile. Grow up.

The people picked up the tab. It ain't rocket science.

GROW UP!
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You don't know? That's news?
Of course you don't know who paid for it.
Clue: We the people.

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So what was the tax rate then?
The tax rate?

Which tax are you referring to?

And, BTW, WHO ULTIMATELY PAID THE EXPENSES?

Could it be the people?

It wasn't good old George, he put it on his expense account.

WHO PAID FOR IT?

The tooth fairy?
wojar wrote:
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Sorry, BirfoonBoy, but George's expense account is publicly known. And after he became President, he didn't change his tune.
If you want to read about his lifestyle on the public trough you might check out:
http://www.amazon.com/George-Washingtons-Expe ...
So, in the end, how much did Washington spend over his eight years of service?
$449,261.51, in 1780 dollars.
Who paid? The tooth fairy?
And then he was President. Who paid for his expenses?
"Once President, Washington made the same offer to exchange a salary for an expense account. He was politely rebuffed and given a modest $25,000-a-year salary."
Hee hee hee.
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Ohhhhh! UR right! The tooth fairy paid for it!!!
Well you know our politicians keep telling us we are trillions of dollars in debt but they keep having parties and hiring ladies of the evening and going on vacations so I guess maybe it was the tooth fairy. But then I don't believe in fairy tales. Soooooo...
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Returning to Vattel:1 A “Gentlemen’s Agreement”
for the Twenty-first Century
Stacey Marlise Gahagan†
I. Introduction .......... 847
II. Evolution of the Intellectual and Moral Conception of
CIL .......... 853
A. Conceptions of Customary International Law: Pre-
Vattel .......... 853
B. Vattel’s Necessary Law of Nations .......... 855
C. Vattel’s Positive Law of Nations .......... 858
D. Bradley and Gulati on Vattel .......... 860
III. History’s Effect on the Legacy of Vattel .......... 864
A. Customary Law and Colonialism.......... 867
B. The Law of Civilized Nations .......... 870
C. Bringing The Law of Civilized Nations to the
Uncivilized .......... 871
IV. Supreme Court Decisions .......... 873
A. The Schooner Exchange .......... 874
B. The Antelope .......... 875
C. Johnson v. M’Intosh .......... 878

A. The Schooner Exchange156
In 1812, the Supreme Court decided The Schooner Exchange
v. McFaddon & Others.157 The Court dismissed the libel suit,
brought by individuals against another sovereign nation, France,
and upheld sovereign immunity as understood and applied through
the Law of Nations.158 As was typical of the beginning of the
eighteenth century, the dicta in this decision vacillated between
naturalist and positivist sentiments.159 Within the same sentence,
Chief Justice Marshall espoused both the “equal rights and equal
independence” of each sovereign throughout the world and the
“absolute and complete jurisdiction within their respective
territories which sovereignty confers.”160 Marshall enumerated
rights conferred on sovereigns, arguably based in Vattel’s
voluntary law, and explained that a breach of these rights would
violate “privileges which are essential to the dignity of his
sovereign.”161
Whereas Bradley and Gulati emphasized the positivist aspect
of the Court’s dicta,162 Marshall’s voluntary reasoning undergirded
the Court’s analysis.163 For example, Marshall contended that
155 See discussion infra Parts IV.A - D. For example Johnson v. M’Intosh, 21 U.S.
(8 Wheat.) 543 (1823), exemplifies the disparate application of the Law of Nations by
the United States to disputes between civilized sovereigns and disputes between a
civilized nation and an uncivilized nation.
156 11 U.S.(7 Cranch) 116 (1812).
157 Id.
158 Id. at 147.
159 See Later-in-Time Rule, supra note 116, at 23.
160 The Schooner Exchange, 11 U.S.(7 Cranch) at 136.
161 Id. at 139. But see Dodge, supra note 7, at 177-79 (discussing other decisions in
which the Court questioned voluntary withdrawal from the Law of Nations).
162 See Withdrawing, supra note 3, at 220-23.
163 The Schooner Exchange, 11 U.S.(7 Cranch) 116, 137-38 (1812)(“Why has the
whole civilized world concurred in this construction?”); see also Later-in-Time Rule,
supra note 116, at 13. There are two tenets of international law that appear at odds in
this case–the absolute jurisdiction of a sovereign within his own borders and sovereign

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Just Sayin

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Juvenile, infantile. Grow up.
The people picked up the tab. It ain't rocket science.
GROW UP!
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The rich people picked up the tab the same way Obama wants the rich people to pick up the tab now.

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American Lady wrote:
Returning to Vattel:1 A “Gentlemen’s Agreement”
for the Twenty-first Century
Stacey Marlise Gahagan†
I. Introduction .......... 847
II. Evolution of the Intellectual and Moral Conception of
CIL .......... 853
A. Conceptions of Customary International Law: Pre-
Vattel .......... 853
B. Vattel’s Necessary Law of Nations .......... 855
C. Vattel’s Positive Law of Nations .......... 858
D. Bradley and Gulati on Vattel .......... 860
III. History’s Effect on the Legacy of Vattel .......... 864
A. Customary Law and Colonialism.......... 867
B. The Law of Civilized Nations .......... 870
C. Bringing The Law of Civilized Nations to the
Uncivilized .......... 871
IV. Supreme Court Decisions .......... 873
A. The Schooner Exchange .......... 874
B. The Antelope .......... 875
C. Johnson v. M’Intosh .......... 878
A. The Schooner Exchange156
In 1812, the Supreme Court decided The Schooner Exchange
v. McFaddon & Others.157 The Court dismissed the libel suit,
brought by individuals against another sovereign nation, France,
and upheld sovereign immunity as understood and applied through
the Law of Nations.158 As was typical of the beginning of the
eighteenth century, the dicta in this decision vacillated between
naturalist and positivist sentiments.159 Within the same sentence,
Chief Justice Marshall espoused both the “equal rights and equal
independence” of each sovereign throughout the world and the
“absolute and complete jurisdiction within their respective
territories which sovereignty confers.”160 Marshall enumerated
rights conferred on sovereigns, arguably based in Vattel’s
voluntary law, and explained that a breach of these rights would
violate “privileges which are essential to the dignity of his
sovereign.”161
Whereas Bradley and Gulati emphasized the positivist aspect
of the Court’s dicta,162 Marshall’s voluntary reasoning undergirded
the Court’s analysis.163 For example, Marshall contended that
155 See discussion infra Parts IV.A - D. For example Johnson v. M’Intosh, 21 U.S.
(8 Wheat.) 543 (1823), exemplifies the disparate application of the Law of Nations by
the United States to disputes between civilized sovereigns and disputes between a
civilized nation and an uncivilized nation.
156 11 U.S.(7 Cranch) 116 (1812).
157 Id.
158 Id. at 147.
159 See Later-in-Time Rule, supra note 116, at 23.
160 The Schooner Exchange, 11 U.S.(7 Cranch) at 136.
161 Id. at 139. But see Dodge, supra note 7, at 177-79 (discussing other decisions in
which the Court questioned voluntary withdrawal from the Law of Nations).
162 See Withdrawing, supra note 3, at 220-23.
163 The Schooner Exchange, 11 U.S.(7 Cranch) 116, 137-38 (1812)(“Why has the
whole civilized world concurred in this construction?”); see also Later-in-Time Rule,
supra note 116, at 13. There are two tenets of international law that appear at odds in
this case–the absolute jurisdiction of a sovereign within his own borders and sovereign
http://www.law.unc.edu/documents/journals/art...
And you have a point? Written in your own words?

Didn't think so.

You wouldn't know what a point is if it slapped you in the face.
Just Sayin

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The tax rate?
Which tax are you referring to?
And, BTW, WHO ULTIMATELY PAID THE EXPENSES?
Could it be the people?
It wasn't good old George, he put it on his expense account.
WHO PAID FOR IT?
The tooth fairy?
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You keep putting out these figures that GW spent and how much of a salary he got so where did the money come from? You are beginning to sound like our current government. They're still looking around trying to find that money that GW spent.
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Goodnight Wojar

Goodnight AL

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The rich people picked up the tab the same way Obama wants the rich people to pick up the tab now.
Thank you for admitting that good old George didn't pick up the tab.

And if, arguendo, it's "the same way," what's your problem? If Obama is conducting his affairs the same way as good old George did, what is your effing problem?
Do you have a problem with good old George Washington?
wojar wrote:
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Juvenile, infantile. Grow up.

The people picked up the tab. It ain't rocket science.

GROW UP!
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Goodnight Wojar
Goodnight AL
Night JS....;-)
Thanks for everything!

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The rich people picked up the tab the same way Obama wants the rich people to pick up the tab now.
Wow! The same way!

So good old George was a Communist?

Was George the inspiration for Karl?
wojar wrote:
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Juvenile, infantile. Grow up.
The people picked up the tab. It ain't rocket science.
GROW UP!

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You keep putting out these figures that GW spent and how much of a salary he got so where did the money come from? You are beginning to sound like our current government. They're still looking around trying to find that money that GW spent.
Not from GW's pocket!

Hee hee.

Not from the tooth fairy either!

Who's left?

It ain't rocket science.

Good night.
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Emmerich de Vattel

Emmerich de Vattel,(born April 25, 1714, Couvet, Neuchâtel, Switz.—died Dec. 28, 1767, Neuchâtel), Swiss jurist who, in Le Droit des gens (1758; “The Law of Nations”), applied a theory of natural law to international relations.

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In particular, his defense of neutrality and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the U.S.

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Nighty nite woo woo......
Sleep tight.......

Sweet dreams of the BIG "0".......;-)

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Emmerich de Vattel
Emmerich de Vattel,(born April 25, 1714, Couvet, Neuchâtel, Switz.—died Dec. 28, 1767, Neuchâtel), Swiss jurist who, in Le Droit des gens (1758; “The Law of Nations”), applied a theory of natural law to international relations.
[[[His treatise was especially influential in the United States because his principles of liberty and equality coincided with the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence.
In particular, his defense of neutrality and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the U.S.
Vattel’s work was, as he acknowledged, a popularization of Jus gentium (1749; “The Law of Nations”),...(100 of 135 words)
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Nighty nite woo woo......
Sleep tight.......
Sweet dreams of the BIG "0".......;-)
Way cool!

"In particular, his defense of neutrality and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the U.S."

Which has nothing to do with citizenship.

Sweet fantasies, BirfoonLady.
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And you have a point? Written in your own words?
Didn't think so.
You wouldn't know what a point is if it slapped you in the face.
Don't HAVE to....
HISTORY "makes MY point" for ME....;-)
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There's 4.....
One is Lynch v. Clark......;-)

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Don't HAVE to....
HISTORY "makes MY point" for ME....;-)
"History" makes a point out of cut'n'paste spam? Even when you don't know what you're posting? Even when you post spam adverse to your position unwittingly?

Get real.

Now who were all those people denied citizenship because both their parents were not citizens, per Vattel, since the founding of the nation?

Never happened. Dream on.

"Mr. Vattel says it is by the law of nature that “children follow the condition of their father;” but he decides this question by positive law, such as any particular country may ordain." Lynch v. Clarke.

Guess what BirfoonLady, such as the US may ordain is quite different:

“[W]e find that the Constitution has recognized
the general principle of public law, that allegiance
and citizenship depend on the place of birth.‘
This doctrine of citizenship by reason of place of
birth is spoken of by the writers on the subject as
the jus soli or common law doctrine.”
Perkins v. Elg, 99 F.2d 408, 410 (App.D.C. 1938)
modified and affirmed, 307 U.S. 325 (1939).
wojar wrote:
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And you have a point? Written in your own words?
Didn't think so.
You wouldn't know what a point is if it slapped you in the face.
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"History" makes a point out of cut'n'paste spam? Even when you don't know what you're posting? Even when you post spam adverse to your position unwittingly?
Get real.
Now who were all those people denied citizenship because both their parents were not citizens, per Vattel, since the founding of the nation?
Never happened. Dream on.
"Mr. Vattel says it is by the law of nature that “children follow the condition of their father;” but he decides this question by positive law, such as any particular country may ordain." Lynch v. Clarke.
Guess what BirfoonLady, such as the US may ordain is quite different:
“[W]e find that the Constitution has recognized
the general principle of public law, that allegiance
and citizenship depend on the place of birth.‘
This doctrine of citizenship by reason of place of
birth is spoken of by the writers on the subject as
the jus soli or common law doctrine.”
Perkins v. Elg, 99 F.2d 408, 410 (App.D.C. 1938)
modified and affirmed, 307 U.S. 325 (1939).
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You ARE such a DWEEB.....
I almost feel "sorry" for you....

Almost....;-)

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"History" makes a point out of cut'n'paste spam? Even when you don't know what you're posting? Even when you post spam adverse to your position unwittingly?
Get real.
Now who were all those people denied citizenship because both their parents were not citizens, per Vattel, since the founding of the nation?
Never happened. Dream on.
"Mr. Vattel says it is by the law of nature that “children follow the condition of their father;” but he decides this question by positive law, such as any particular country may ordain." Lynch v. Clarke.
Guess what BirfoonLady, such as the US may ordain is quite different:
“[W]e find that the Constitution has recognized
the general principle of public law, that allegiance
and citizenship depend on the place of birth.‘
This doctrine of citizenship by reason of place of
birth is spoken of by the writers on the subject as
the jus soli or common law doctrine.”
Perkins v. Elg, 99 F.2d 408, 410 (App.D.C. 1938)
modified and affirmed, 307 U.S. 325 (1939).
American Lady wrote:
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You ARE such a DWEEB.....
I almost feel "sorry" for you....
Almost....;-)
"You ARE such a DWEEB.....[sic]."

See how far that kind of stupid answer gets you in a court of law.

That's all you got?

Sad.

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