Polls: Less-educated whites hurt Obama

Mac-7 wrote:

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You are free to draw your own conclusions based on the public face Obama has presented just as I am.
And you are free to call the Obama critic "clown" or worse since so many of his supporters cannot disagree without being disagreeable themselves.
The election process involves voters making personal decisions about candidates that the have never met of spent time with.

Exactly. And I'm not basing my vote on how much a candidate "loves" America. I think it's a ridiculous metric. I'm not saying that because you can't have any way of knowing how much Obama "loves" America, that means he loves America. I'm saying it's an absurd thing to base a vote upon. Why not vote for your candidate based on how much they love the color blue?

By the same token, you have no idea how much Hillary and McCain "love" America. Hillary doesn't ever wear a flag pin, and McCain thinks his love for America is best displayed by the number of missiles he launches at other countries.

Further, Obama's "hate" for America is often a thinly-veiled cover for internalized racist attitudes. A common belief among racist white people is that black people hate America. It's an easy way for them to explain their animus towards blacks with what they feel is a legitimate excuse. I'm not saying I know you're a racist, I'm just saying the "he doesn't love America enough" argument is a favorite among racists, and I know Texas is a pretty racist State. So by your logic, despite the fact that I don't know you from Adam, I can use these characteristics to assume you're a racist. But I won't do that, because I don't know you.

If you could meet Obama, is there anything he could say to convince you he really loves America enough? If so, what could he say?

The media says Obama will get the black vote in black areas and Hillary will get the working class vote in white areas.

Are they saying blacks dont work?

Please explain

chad_broski wrote:

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Exactly. And I'm not basing my vote on how much a candidate "loves" America. I think it's a ridiculous metric.

I don't think insisting that the candidate invest his feeling into the country is unreasonable.

Obama wants the highest job in the land and if he doesn't have our best interests at heart then we are going to suffer greatly at his hands.

Mac-7 wrote:

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I don't think insisting that the candidate invest his feeling into the country is unreasonable.
Obama wants the highest job in the land and if he doesn't have our best interests at heart then we are going to suffer greatly at his hands.

You didn't answer my question. What could he say to you, in person, to convince you he loves America enough to look out for her best interests? What could he say to convince you that he's not trying to take America down from the inside?

Protecting the USA wrote:

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I predict that the New Black Panthers Party's candidate will lose by the biggest margin in U.S. presidential history. Is Vegas taking odds yet?

Title of thread - "Polls: Less-educated whites hurt Obama." Ya think?

Explains a lot about this thread.

chad_broski wrote:

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You didn't answer my question. What could he say to you, in person, to convince you he loves America enough to look out for her best interests? What could he say to convince you that he's not trying to take America down from the inside?

There isn't one word that would do the trick.

His actions (which often speak louder than mere words) say that the doesn't love America the way I have come to expect from our leaders.

He refused to wear the label pin. And place his hand over his heart during the national anthem.

The words that have been offered to explain those actions away have not been very convincing or reassuring.

Then his wife admits she has never been proud of this country. Never. That seems impossible to be true for any thinking person.

And his pastor of 20 years shouts "God Damn America!"

Obama says he does not agree with his pastor but the supported him with his membership in the pastor's chuch for 20 years.

The only reason they are on the outs now is because Rev Wright refused to stay on safari out of sight until after the election, and was interfering with Obama's campaign.

Obama's words do not match his actions.

Ok, I hope I'm right in thinking that I'm not the only fat person in the world who gets shouted nasty things at in the street by complete strangers.

But my question is, why? I mean, what does my fatness do to you? I'm not shoving a Big Mac down your throat so why do you feel the need to be nasty?

I'm not saying people on here do it (aside from the person who commented on an earlier thread saying "Atleast you're not fat")

But for example, a few weeks ago I was out shopping with my slim, pretty friend and I was just looking for a drink when these random kids started singing the "Fatty Bum Bum" song at me. Ok, I know it may sound humorous, but it was so hurtful. All I could do was pretend like hell that I didn't hear them and I could tell my friend was thinking "I hope she didn't hear that"

Also, whenever I'm out with my friends, particularly the friend mentioned above, I see all the guys heads turn to look at them, and I'm just the fat friend who's trying too hard to be something I'm not

And now I'm sounding like a stupid cow talking about my own self-pity.

But back to the point, why do people do this?! It's not like I snigger about random people in the street for being short or tall or too thin or something.

Do people seriously not see that what they say affects others?

I am cum laude MIT '62. Put me in with the blue-eyed uneducated dummies that can't vote for Obama.

I don't want the government up my shorts. There are way too many entitlements to those who have never contributed.

You want government health care? Go to Canada and wait 10 months for somebody to look at your hemmorhoids.

Mac-7 wrote:

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There isn't one word that would do the trick.
His actions (which often speak louder than mere words) say that the doesn't love America the way I have come to expect from our leaders.
He refused to wear the label pin. And place his hand over his heart during the national anthem.
The words that have been offered to explain those actions away have not been very convincing or reassuring.
Then his wife admits she has never been proud of this country. Never. That seems impossible to be true for any thinking person.
And his pastor of 20 years shouts "God Damn America!"
Obama says he does not agree with his pastor but the supported him with his membership in the pastor's chuch for 20 years.
The only reason they are on the outs now is because Rev Wright refused to stay on safari out of sight until after the election, and was interfering with Obama's campaign.
Obama's words do not match his actions.

Reverend Wright's sermons were the "Freudian slips" that showed what Mr. Obama listened to for twenty!! years. No one willingly listens week after week to radical thoughts unless they find them intriguing and/or entertaining!

Parma Vic wrote:

I'm the white Ohio college-guy in my mid 40's who can't quite get the "Change" garbage Obama is throwing at me. I seriously doubt he can run this country. I have never voted Republican, okay once for Deborah Pryce when I lived in Columbus.
I didn't vote for Reagan, either bush ever. But if Obama gets the nomination, I'm going to vote for McCain, the first republican president I've ever voted for. I don't want smoke-n-mirrors disguised as "change."
And I actually "get" what Rev. Wright is poking at for black injustice. The message doesn't disturb me a bit. Though it does get a lot of press.
It's just Barrrack Obama the man. There's no substance.

Apparently you haven't taken the time to research his plans and where he stands on the issues.
This puts you into the stupid white guy category they are talking about.
Guess you want the same ol crooked politics.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/09/pol...

jenny623 wrote:

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Well said. I'm tired of the stupid comments about him being Muslim, won't salute the flag, won't wear a flagpin, etc... It's refreshing to hear someone say he just bring enough substance to the issues. The economy is a major issue right now, along with jobs, war, gas, education, health care, the mortgage crisis and illegal education. Those are just the top few. Obama is articulate with big crowds, but doesn't give enough details on what his plans are if he makes it to the Whitehouse. He's got a lot of great thinktanks around him, but I fear they will be running the whitehouse and he will be the puppet. Its not all uneducated whites that are pushing for Hillary either, some educated blacks are pushing for her too. So I don't see it being a racial thing. People are looking for the candidate that best addresses their needs, and this country needs a major fixer. I don't know if Hillary, McCain or Obama are good enough.

It totally amazes me that facts are seemingly being ignored by voters. Obama is not a knight in shining armor. He is arrogant and untruthful. He promises change that he cannot deliver. As a (100%) service connected disabled Veteran I take pride in my country, I stand and put my hand on my heart whenever the Pledge of Allegiance is said or the National Anthem is played, Obama says he does not like the words. I fought for his right to say those things, however, I would never accept it from a prospective Commander in Chief. Veteran’s Unite!! This man is DANGEROUS!!!

Bill , Texas City, TX

Wolverine wrote:

<quoted text>She hasn't a prayer of winning the general election. 50% of the voters hate her guts. What a hoot. Go ahead and nominate her and see a slaughter.

50% love her guts!

ladydi wrote:

<quoted text>Reverend Wright's sermons were the "Freudian slips" that showed what Mr. Obama listened to for twenty!! years. No one willingly listens week after week to radical thoughts unless they find them intriguing and/or entertaining!

But according to Obama he never heard Rev Wright say anything bad.

Presumably the reverand prepaired two sermons every Sunday and had an Obama watch at the doors of the church to alert him when Barack was in the building, so that he could deliver the milder message instead of the insulting one.

That explains why after twenty years of Sundays Obama was shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YOU!, to learn that is pastor is a fruitcake.

You mean the ones who don't care or share that white liberal guilt that they are supposed to?

message to the Liberals of America.

If for one moment you think this nation will elect a Elitist black man or an Opportunist white female as President of the United States of America, then you got too many rocks in your box.

Come November an old worn out brain dead white man will be elected and it will be your own damn fault. Why couldnt you come up with someone 'centered' in American Values instead of the leftist of the left. You blew it again !

When a blackun gits all elistist and smarter then me I get so scared I pee my britches and commence to cussing up a storm.

I'm a neurosurgeon/underwear model with an IQ of 201. I got my undergrad degree at Harvard (with a major in economics and a minor in cello) and my Masters at Princeton. I'm 5' 10", 130 lbs., 26-24-32, and a natural blonde and Sagittarius to boot. I like hiking, rollerblading, bubble baths, world peace and long walks on the beach. I started my own internet business and sold it to Microsoft for Billions. I'm in the islands on my yacht right now even though my wireless seems to be picking up it's signal from Chicago. I unequivocally suport Barack Hussein Obama.

You people are so funny.

ladydi wrote:

<quoted text>50% love her guts!

I has been known to eat a chitlin or two. It ain't just for the blackuns, yall know.

Bravo!

Go figure wrote:

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Yes, I am happy to have been on Bush's team the past 8 years. I have become relatively affluent, thanks to his tax cuts which motivated me to work harder; I feel safe since the 9/11 attacks, no thanks to liberals who tried to block every law that would help root out terrorists; and I have the freedom to choose what type of health care I would like and not have it forced on me.
I am doing well because I am not in debt, I don't live beyond my means, and despite the rise in gasoline and natural gas ( caused by liberal eco freaks and their anti-anything energy policies), I don't drive unless I absolutely have to.(Work) Other than the Bush tax cuts, which have allowed me to keep more of my money, the President usually doesn't effect my life either way. At least when a conservative is in office. Under Billary or Hussein Obama, I would have to give back some of my hard earned money and they are looking for me, and all other hard working citizens, democrat or republican, to subsidize universal health care for people too lazy to work hard, improve themselves and get a job with health benefits. They also want to provide health care for illegals, babies born to people who can't control their reproductive organs and any other cretin that longs for the gov't to help them keep up their prescription drug habit. So yeah, I will take 4 more years of republican rule, thank you. As for you, you can continue to live off the public dole and pray that a Dumocrat gets in so you can live off of the hard work of others for the forseeable future. Dunce.

Engineer Bill wrote:

I am cum laude MIT '62. Put me in with the blue-eyed uneducated dummies that can't vote for Obama.
I don't want the government up my shorts. There are way too many entitlements to those who have never contributed.
You want government health care? Go to Canada and wait 10 months for somebody to look at your hemmorhoids.

Sorry, Bill. You're not a dummy. You simply have a different political worldview than Democrats do. You think it's not the government's responsibility to take care of its citizens, especially those who have a very difficult time taking care of themselves. You think it's OK that the US has one of the most deplorable health care situations in the developed world. That's fine with you.

Unlike many of the posters here, you have an actual reason to not support Obama that is grounded in policy, not in absurd notions of him not being patriotic enough, or being a secret muslim, or being too black, or too inexperienced. These are stupid reasons held by stupid people. You have your own reasons, and you're obviously intelligent.

I don't fault you for your views. I just have a different view, that a country as prosperous as the United States should take care of its own people and not allow them to suffer because of the tremendous disparities in wealth and power that capitalism inherently creates. I believe in regulated markets, because free markets benefit so few at the expense of so many. Most Americans should agree with me, but many of them have been sold a bill of goods from republicans that completely exploits them.

Social issues are one of these tools of exploitation (why is abortion still legal? The GOP campaigned on it huge in 2000 and won a majority of congress as well as the presidency. Why didn't they make good on their campaign promises?). The American dream is another ... how many poor people have delusional dreams about winning the lottery or somehow striking it rich? Most of them will never make it, but they'll vote Republican anyway. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

We have a choice in this country ... we can either raise the standard of living for lots and lots of people at the expense of those who can afford to live on a little less, or we can completely eviscerate the middle class and divide the country between the 5% haves and the 95% have-nots. That's what the GOP has enabled for the past 8 years, and that's what McCain will continue.

And by the way, if we don't fix our education system and completely shift the way in which Americans approach education, we'll be globally irrelevant in 50 years. Do you want to leave that to the American public to get off their stupid, fat, complacent cans or do you want the government to invest in our future by educating our future?