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Torchwood
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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CSD wrote: Something's afoot here. More details will be forthcoming.... Here's more on Pelosi selling out to the lobbyists! (Page 2 of 2) At the end of September, shortly before her trip to Cleveland, Ms. Pelosi flew to the Austin, Tex., home of the Democratic lobbyist Ben Barnes to collect more than $125,000 for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee from doctors at physician-owned hospitals. Skip to next paragraph Prescriptions Blog A blog from The New York Times that tracks the health care debate as it unfolds. * More Health Care Overhaul News conversations Health Care Conversations Share your thoughts about the health care debate. Top Discussions: The Public Option | Medicare and the Elderly | A Single-Payer System Multimedia A History of Health Care ReformInteractive Feature A History of Health Care Reform Related Top Democrats Push for Votes Before Health Debate (November 7, 2009) Political Memo: On Health Care, Democrats Play Down Election Results (November 7, 2009) Mr. Barnes, who personally gave $30,000 to the committee, represents several physician-owned hospitals, which Ms. Pelosi and many Democrats have pilloried for giving doctors a financial incentive to order expensive treatments for their patients. Meanwhile, back in Washington, Bryant Hall, a top lobbyist for the drug industry, was giving $1,000 to the Democrats’ campaign committee, and many lobbyists were attending an annual dinner for the campaign committee featuring the chiefs of staff of several top lawmakers, including Ms. Pelosi.(From Cleveland, the speaker herself went on to hold similar fund-raisers in Detroit and St. Louis.) Now, with the two houses moving to vote on very different health care bills, Ms. Pelosi is poised to face off against the Senate and the White House on several elements that divide the Democrats and arouse big donors. Beyond the fight for the public option, she has vowed to oppose the Senate and the administration on two favorite ideas of fiscal conservatives. One is a proposed independent commission to rein in Medicare spending, an approach that House lawmakers resent as an intrusion on their turf and health care providers fear as a threat to their income. The other is a proposed tax on expensive insurance plans, an idea that the White House and the Senate support as a tool to hold down medical costs but that labor unions are determined to fend off.
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Torchwood
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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SmartPlanning wrote: Ah, Mr. president, re your gloating and trying to communicate credibility of your unread, overpriced, socialistic bill ...
About 1/3 of the nation's docs belong to the AMA (it does NOT speak for the majority of health care professionals). AND ... members are leaving AARP in droves as a redfult of this endorsement.
So, credibility? No, just one more Obamlie. Sort of like when he said that he didn't watch the elctions that confirmed the shortness of his coattails. Yeah, they are against it too! Only the paid off leadership is for it! I hard that there is going to be a vote on it Monday with a more that a third of th MDs opposing it! Obamaton believe anything that the the Messiah says!
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Torchwood
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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regime change wrote: We are now at the Rubicon - if we cross it we will inevitably become socialist, and will most likely end up under the control of condescending marxist bureaucrats in a world nanny state. Every representative who votes for this euthanizing, baby-killing monstrosity needs to be flushed down the same cistern that Corzine and Deeds went into on Tuesday. You bet we need to make it a part of every ad in every democratic district that voted for the bill! We need to tell all Americans that those incumbents are not for them! They will be voted out!
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Torchwood
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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HEALTH CARE BILL wrote: • Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the government option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives. On Page 425 of Obama's health care bill, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. Yes... They are going to push SUICIDE to cut Medicare spending!!! And no, I am NOT KIDDING YOU! So those of you who voted for Obama have now put yourself and your own parents in dire straights... Congratulations! THE NIGHTMARE
BILL.VOTE THESE CROOKS OUT LIKE VA. AND NJ. Yep, vote all the crooks out and put it in all the ads! I guess that they hard nothing at the town halls!
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Torchwood
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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Vlad wrote: No matter what tax bracket you fall into this is going to hurt you. Anyone falling into the middle class may get some relief from premiums from the gov but will still pay more. I still do not understand why I have to take care of everyone else. I went to college for two degrees and worked my way through to pay for both. I worked my way up the ladder by bouncing job-to-job while paying for my own benefits. I set my priorities to live a responsible lifestyle. My reward, I get to pay for everyone else for everything. Another great lesson for youth about taking charge of life and making responsible choices. So much for the socialist fascism of the Obama administration!
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“You are not your bank account.”
Since: Feb 08
Norman, Oklahoma
ISP:
Norman, OK
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Torchwood wrote: <quoted text>
Yep, vote all the crooks out and put it in all the ads! I guess that they hard nothing at the town halls! Well, it was kinda hard to hear anything over the raving of the tea-baggers, birthers and other paid actors screaming how the Government should keep their hands off of Medicare...
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“You are not your bank account.”
Since: Feb 08
Norman, Oklahoma
ISP:
Norman, OK
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So now we get to find out what the psychos and the lobbyists will do as more and more Americans stand up and declare that the nation as a whole should start trying to do things that will actually keep its citizens from dying of neglect. One of the nut-jobs was actually correct though when he stated that we are approaching the Rubicon. We are about to decide if we will continue to slide further into the grip of Reaganomics and submit to the horrors of the 19th century, controlled by the robber barons for their profit alone or do we turn around and start acting as responsible adults and perhaps become a more civilized nation.
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“You are not your bank account.”
Since: Feb 08
Norman, Oklahoma
ISP:
Norman, OK
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Torchwood wrote: <quoted text>
So much for the socialist fascism of the Obama administration! It's just too bad that that never existed to begin with or that would have meant something.
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Torchwood
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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Michael Allred wrote: <quoted text>
It's just too bad that that never existed to begin with or that would have meant something. Whatsoever you say socialist! No wonder why you can't see it!
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“You are not your bank account.”
Since: Feb 08
Norman, Oklahoma
ISP:
Norman, OK
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Torchwood wrote: <quoted text>
So much for the socialist fascism of the Obama administration! Oh, and one more thing, as you seem to really get off on multiple posts... Socialism and fascism are two mutually exclusive governmental types. The fact that you have tried, and failed, to use them in the same sentence means that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, you may now be safely ignored from this point forward and that you are so wrong you have become the very definition of Fractal Wrongness - you are wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. Zooming in on any part of your world view finds beliefs exactly as wrong as your entire world view.
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Conservative
Blairsville, GA
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Michael Allred wrote: <quoted text>
Well, it was kinda hard to hear anything over the raving of the tea-baggers, birthers and other paid actors screaming how the Government should keep their hands off of Medicare... Come next November I think you'll find there are more teabaggers than not out there. Even if they aren't full fledged baggers, they damn sure aren't down with this load of s--t! And will vote AGAINST it.
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And Now
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Amazingly, the "members" of the AMA are in disagreement. I just read the article in the
AARP news. They're angry a "vote" wasn't
taken. Gee sounds like AARP.
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Conservative
Blairsville, GA
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Michael Allred wrote: <quoted text>
Oh, and one more thing, as you seem to really get off on multiple posts...
Socialism and fascism are two mutually exclusive governmental types. The fact that you have tried, and failed, to use them in the same sentence means that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, you may now be safely ignored from this point forward and that you are so wrong you have become the very definition of Fractal Wrongness - you are wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. Zooming in on any part of your world view finds beliefs exactly as wrong as your entire world view. Even IF one doesn't have a grasp of every facet of a political system, DOESN'T make them inept. At least he's on the right team. Talk about tried and failed. EVERYTHING your messiah has done has made things worse. He has broken just about EVERY promise he made. The first on every voters mind right now is that spending $780 BILLION WE DIDN'T HAVE would GUARANTEE UNEMPLOYMENT would be kept below 8%, well genius we're at 10.2% and climbing. So before you go casting stones look at the FACTS. The messiahs supposed "best and brightest" have brought new meaning to the word incompetent. You need to turn that magnifying glass on yourself and the clowns running this country into the ground. As for a world view F--k THEM! We got to the top by and large on our own, and now and would be well advised to do without them again.
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“Do you believe in the day?”
Since: Feb 07
Do you? Believe in the day!
ISP:
Caguas, Puerto Rico
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HEALTH CARE BILL wrote: • Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the government option!
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. This is the entire text of Page 58: --- 58 •HR 3962 IH 1 (ii) is not eligible for coverage under 2 title XVIII of the Social Security Act; and 3 (iii) is not an active employee of an 4 employer maintaining the plan or of any 5 employer that makes or has made substan6 tial contributions to fund such plan. 7 (E) The term ‘‘Secretary’’ means Sec8 retary of Health and Human Services. 9 (b) PARTICIPATION.—To be eligible to participate in 10 the reinsurance program, an eligible employment-based 11 plan shall submit to the Secretary an application for par 12 ticipation in the program, at such time, in such manner, 13 and containing such information as the Secretary shall re 14 quire. 15 (c) PAYMENT.— 16 (1) SUBMISSION OF CLAIMS.— 17 (A) IN GENERAL.—Under the reinsurance 18 program, a participating employment-based 19 plan shall submit claims for reimbursement to 20 the Secretary which shall contain documenta 21 tion of the actual costs of the items and serv 22 ices for which each claim is being submitted. 23 (B) BASIS FOR CLAIMS.—Each claim sub 24 mitted under subparagraph (A) shall be based 25 on the actual amount expended by the partici- --- Which is the part about the National ID? Your other references are similarly innaccurate.
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Torchwood
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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And Now wrote: Amazingly, the "members" of the AMA are in disagreement. I just read the article in the
AARP news. They're angry a "vote" wasn't
taken. Gee sounds like AARP. Of course the news does not report that fact!
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“You are not your bank account.”
Since: Feb 08
Norman, Oklahoma
ISP:
Norman, OK
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Conservative wrote: <quoted text>
Even IF one doesn't have a grasp of every facet of a political system, DOESN'T make them inept. Perhaps, but spouting nonsense as if you actually understand what you're talking about, does, which makes Torchwood WAY inept. Conservative wrote: <quoted text> At least he's on the right team. Well, he's on a right-wing team... Conservative wrote: <quoted text>Talk about tried and failed. EVERYTHING your messiah has done has made things worse. He has broken just about EVERY promise he made. So, I suppose the fact that he hasn't doesn't play much into your "Argument", does it? Oh, and as a side note, I find it extremely telling that the only people who seem to see Obama as a messiah are the extreme right. Conservative wrote: <quoted text>The first on every voters mind right now is that spending $780 BILLION WE DIDN'T HAVE would GUARANTEE UNEMPLOYMENT would be kept below 8%, well genius we're at 10.2% and climbing. And thus we have a wonderful example of selective amnesia... Conservative wrote: <quoted text>So before you go casting stones look at the FACTS. Okay, I looked at the facts but since facts are what have been the basis of all of my posts so far, I'm not entirely sure why you'd want me to look at them yet again. Unless you just love me so much you just want me to have an even greater sense of moral security. Would you like the first stone or do you want me to go back to pelting Torchwood? Conservative wrote: <quoted text> The messiahs supposed "best and brightest" have brought new meaning to the word incompetent. You need to turn that magnifying glass on yourself and the clowns running this country into the ground. Well, you're generous but the clowns aren't actually running the country. Hell, they can't even be bothered to take time from their staged rallies against Health Care Reform to show up for committee votes. Or maybe you were thinking of the carny folk over at Fox who only THINK they run the country... Conservative wrote: <quoted text> As for a world view F--k THEM! Wow, what a wonderful moment of self-realization. Too bad it won't last longer than a couple of picoseconds... Conservative wrote: <quoted text> We got to the top by and large on our own, and now and would be well advised to do without them again. Wow, it lasted longer than I thought. And how, exactly, did rich white men get "to the top," again?
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“You are not your bank account.”
Since: Feb 08
Norman, Oklahoma
ISP:
Norman, OK
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PRJester wrote: <quoted text>
...Your other references are similarly innaccurate. Oh, silly Jester, you actually think that the spambots care about their gargantuan inaccuracies...
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Conservative
Blairsville, GA
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Michael Allred wrote: <quoted text>
Perhaps, but spouting nonsense as if you actually understand what you're talking about, does, which makes Torchwood WAY inept.
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Well, he's on a right-wing team...
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So, I suppose the fact that he hasn't doesn't play much into your "Argument", does it?
Oh, and as a side note, I find it extremely telling that the only people who seem to see Obama as a messiah are the extreme right.
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And thus we have a wonderful example of selective amnesia...
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Okay, I looked at the facts but since facts are what have been the basis of all of my posts so far, I'm not entirely sure why you'd want me to look at them yet again.
Unless you just love me so much you just want me to have an even greater sense of moral security.
Would you like the first stone or do you want me to go back to pelting Torchwood?
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Well, you're generous but the clowns aren't actually running the country. Hell, they can't even be bothered to take time from their staged rallies against Health Care Reform to show up for committee votes.
Or maybe you were thinking of the carny folk over at Fox who only THINK they run the country...
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Wow, what a wonderful moment of self-realization. Too bad it won't last longer than a couple of picoseconds...
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Wow, it lasted longer than I thought.
And how, exactly, did rich white men get "to the top," again? Unbelievable! The facts are right there in front of your face and you've drank so much koolaid you can't see them. Cases like yours make it easy to see why they say liberalism is a mental disorder. I see, this is about wealth envy. Alright, I'll play along. Rich men get rich by providing a product or service people need. They recognize a need for something, manufacture and promote it or provide the service, bring it to market, and sell it at the highest price the market will bear. That's the beauty of the FREE MARKET. It's NOT an exclusive club anyone can join. Even an anti-American such as yourself. Sometimes though the product or service is NOT what it was promoted to be. Hell nobama is the perfect example of. He was promoted as the providence of "hope and change" and while he HAS delivered change, it's NOT the change people were promised. See when you promote something it is generally understood the result will be POSITIVE. Well this is where the real beauty of the FREE MARKET comes in. While this misrepresented product or service may initially sell like hotcakes it's faults, short commings, and inability to deliver the desired results are soon realized and the manufacture soon goes out of business. In this case unfortunately it will take four years, barring a total recall or in this case impeachment. In short he's a FRAUD and in the FREE MARKET when something don't work as promoted, we get rid of it!
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“You are not your bank account.”
Since: Feb 08
Norman, Oklahoma
ISP:
Norman, OK
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Conservative wrote: <quoted text>
Unbelievable! The facts are right there in front of your face and you've drank so much koolaid you can't see them. You lose...
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Torchwood
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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Michael Allred wrote: <quoted text>
You lose... Yeah because he is dealing with a socialist that won't listen to facts!
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