IU No. 13, Butler No. 18

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Indiana University is No. 13 and Butler No. 18 in the men's Associated Press college basketball poll.
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Colts What

Elkhart, IN

#1 Dec 11, 2007
I can't wait to hear all of the pathetic Butler fans who will once again scratch their heads wondering how them Hoosiers could possibly be ranked higher the Bulldogs.......

Oh yeah, instead of talking about the possibility that the Bulldogs may go 32-0, how about UNC, Memphis, or Kansas? Chuckle, chuckle, chuckle.....
Hoosier Fan

United States

#2 Dec 11, 2007
BE NICE! It is great to have two Indiana teams in the top 25.
Lets go Hoosiers

United States

#3 Dec 11, 2007
Butler only fell 5 spots after losing at Wright St. I think that speaks volumes about what the voters think about Butler. They believe Butler is a good team and when their 3 is falling they are nearly unbeatable. When the three is not falling though, they can still rely on their defense to keep them in games.

its that old adage.....you live by the three you die by the three.

Ultimately their complete lack of an inside game will be their undoing I think. There will be times in the future that their opponents arent hitting shots and neither is Butler, but the difference will be the other teams ability to go inside and get buckets. Example Florida last year in the Tournament.

That is how the mid majors can stay in games though, tough D and lots of threes. Its just nearly impossible to bring that each and every game though. Example Wright St.

Good luck to the Dawgs.

Any other Hoosier fan out there feel like we dont REALLY play for another 3 weeks now? These next three are wipeouts waiting to happen. Puting it on cruise control until the Big Ten starts. Maybe we can creep back into the Top 10 by then.
Southsider

Bloomington, IN

#4 Dec 11, 2007
No one's taking away Butler's great season so far. Sure they've beat Michigan (wait that was NOT their football team), Texas Tech and Ohio State but can they match up against IU?

Oh yeah, Butler WON'T go 32-0, aren't they 8-1 with a loss to who - Wright State???
Greg - BU 99

Greenwood, IN

#5 Dec 11, 2007
Colts What wrote:
I can't wait to hear all of the pathetic Butler fans who will once again scratch their heads wondering how them Hoosiers could possibly be ranked higher the Bulldogs.......
Oh yeah, instead of talking about the possibility that the Bulldogs may go 32-0, how about UNC, Memphis, or Kansas? Chuckle, chuckle, chuckle.....
Easy pal - lets set the record straight - The Star in its brilliant reporting wanted to talk about Butler going undefeated not Butler fans.
Greg - BU 99

Greenwood, IN

#6 Dec 11, 2007
Hoosier Fan wrote:
BE NICE! It is great to have two Indiana teams in the top 25.
TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!
Grew up a Hoosier fan. I cheer for them unless they play my alma mater.
Go IU 08

Fishers, IN

#7 Dec 11, 2007
Please explain why Butler only fell 5 spots in the polls and they lost to un-ranked Wright St...But IU fell 7 spots when they lost to un-ranked Xavier!! Xavier was then in the polls the next week, I don't think we will see Wright St. in the polls this season.
Go Boilers

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Dec 11, 2007
Go IU 08 wrote:
Please explain why Butler only fell 5 spots in the polls and they lost to un-ranked Wright St...But IU fell 7 spots when they lost to un-ranked Xavier!! Xavier was then in the polls the next week, I don't think we will see Wright St. in the polls this season.
Who really cares the rankings are arbitrary anyway. All any team needs to worry about is getting into the tournament. Once they do that they can prove their "rank" by winning games. IU was ranked 3 insted of 13 what would they get for it right now?
Purdue Pete

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Dec 11, 2007
IU, IU, IU, This is very, and so unfair!!
Why do we have to always hear about IU?? I guess it pays to cheat!! Purdue has a great coach and an up and coming team. I am so tired of hearing about IU!!!
steve

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Dec 11, 2007
Hey Indiana, PLAY SOMEBODY!!!!
Enough with this Division 2 schedule, other then Kentucky (who by all accounts is in a down year) and Xavier (who IU lost to), they continue to play a cup cake schedule. This is so typical of Indiana, let's play the Div. 2 programs, get our wins, possibly get a NCAA birth and lose in the first round!
Go Tar Heels!!!!!!!
Ballin

Indianapolis, IN

#11 Dec 11, 2007
Um, Wright State is the defending Horizon League Champion, it was a true road game, Butler was without one of it's top scorers Pete Campbell (also one of the best 3-point shooters in the nation), etc. That's why they only dropped 5-6 spots.
tberry

Williams, IN

#12 Dec 11, 2007
Is IU number 13 or 14? The headline says 13th but the article says 14th????
Hoosier Fan

United States

#13 Dec 11, 2007
Never have cared about polls. They are just someone's opinion, What matters are the W's in the win column. The rest will speak for itself. A lot of unranked teams can beat any given team on any given night considering certain circumstances, Come March, everyone needs to be playing their best basketball. Go Hoosiers!!!
Hoosier Fan

United States

#14 Dec 11, 2007
So plug your ears!!!
BU ticket holder

Indianapolis, IN

#15 Dec 11, 2007
Ever heard of a freshman named Matt Howard that plays for BU? Avery Jukes becomes eligible after his transfer next week against Bradley as well. I think you may be a little off in your statement of a complete lack of an inside game.
Lets go Hoosiers wrote:
Butler only fell 5 spots after losing at Wright St. I think that speaks volumes about what the voters think about Butler. They believe Butler is a good team and when their 3 is falling they are nearly unbeatable. When the three is not falling though, they can still rely on their defense to keep them in games.
its that old adage.....you live by the three you die by the three.
Ultimately their complete lack of an inside game will be their undoing I think. There will be times in the future that their opponents arent hitting shots and neither is Butler, but the difference will be the other teams ability to go inside and get buckets. Example Florida last year in the Tournament.
That is how the mid majors can stay in games though, tough D and lots of threes. Its just nearly impossible to bring that each and every game though. Example Wright St.
Good luck to the Dawgs.
Any other Hoosier fan out there feel like we dont REALLY play for another 3 weeks now? These next three are wipeouts waiting to happen. Puting it on cruise control until the Big Ten starts. Maybe we can creep back into the Top 10 by then.
Kent

Avon, IN

#16 Dec 11, 2007
Southsider wrote:
No one's taking away Butler's great season so far. Sure they've beat Michigan (wait that was NOT their football team), Texas Tech and Ohio State but can they match up against IU?
Oh yeah, Butler WON'T go 32-0, aren't they 8-1 with a loss to who - Wright State???
Harvard beat Michigan too. OSU has essentially nothing. Texas Tech? It was fun to beat Bobby's team but probably wasn't a watershed moment for this season.

Butler's RPI is 29 and the next loss will send it tumbling. They'll ultimately have to win the HL tournament to ensure their ticket to the NCAA tournament. 42 points against WS was pretty pathetic and I'm sure the team realizes it. Bottom line is, as coach said, they only have one offense and if it doesn't work they've got problems.

We're big Butler fans and are glad that we have an alternative to paying the ridiculous new ticket prices at Hinkle this year.
Lets go Hoosiers

United States

#17 Dec 11, 2007
steve wrote:
Hey Indiana, PLAY SOMEBODY!!!!
Enough with this Division 2 schedule, other then Kentucky (who by all accounts is in a down year) and Xavier (who IU lost to), they continue to play a cup cake schedule. This is so typical of Indiana, let's play the Div. 2 programs, get our wins, possibly get a NCAA birth and lose in the first round!
Go Tar Heels!!!!!!!
As any college basketball fan would know, every big time program schedules some easy W's in the pre-conference.

Where are the division 2 teams? Dont even make me start busting out UNC's garbage cupcake wins homer! I have already dont it once on here, but will do it again if you want me to.

By the way, you conveniently left out that ranked-Southern Illinois road win we got earlier this year. They had won 80 of 83 at home over the last few years. That will be a huge win in March for our resume.

Dont come on here talking about preconference scheduling when your own team has Iona, Nicholls St., UC Santa Barbara, kent St., Pennsylvania......I can keep on going and going if you want me to.

You havent played one team when they were actually ranked in your entire pre-conference so far, so IU has you 1-0 on that.
Lets go Hoosiers

United States

#18 Dec 11, 2007
BU ticket holder wrote:
Ever heard of a freshman named Matt Howard that plays for BU? Avery Jukes becomes eligible after his transfer next week against Bradley as well. I think you may be a little off in your statement of a complete lack of an inside game.
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I will give you Howard, but he is just a FR. I think he will be a very good inside player for Butler next year on a more consistent basis. They will need it after losing so much of their offense with the outgoing Seniors. I am not familiar with Avery jukes, so I will take your word for it.

Perhaps the lack of an inside game is so apparent because they dont need it that much. Similarly to how the Pats have no running game.......they just dont run their offense in a way that uses the running game. Perhaps Butler is the same way with their inside game.

You will need it in March, though, if Butler has any plans of going past the Sweet 16. Unless they can hit 20 threes a game of course.

IU rode the 3 in 02 to the championship, but remember they also had Jared Jeffries (6-10), Jeff Newton(6-10) and George Leach(6-11) in the middle.
Alex Lifeson

Elkhart, IN

#19 Dec 11, 2007
IU and BU can have all the headlines and rankings, but everyone knows Purdue and Coach Painter are building a monster of a program. Come this time next year, they're a top 10 squad easily. As for IU? DJ and Gordon in the pros, Sampson fired, program on probation. As for Butler? Graves and Green gone, 15 minutes of fame over, back to being a nobody. Purdue is primed to be the premier program in the state, Big Ten, and maybe nation for as long as Painter is there. Write it down baby!
Trouble

Liberty Hill, TX

#20 Dec 11, 2007
steve wrote:
Hey Indiana, PLAY SOMEBODY!!!!
Enough with this Division 2 schedule, other then Kentucky (who by all accounts is in a down year) and Xavier (who IU lost to), they continue to play a cup cake schedule. This is so typical of Indiana, let's play the Div. 2 programs, get our wins, possibly get a NCAA birth and lose in the first round!
Go Tar Heels!!!!!!!
They do have the 2007-2008 Season Schedule posted...there are plenty of "Somebody" documented. And now that I've looked at BU's schedule..."Play Somebody."
Cheers.

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