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In a peculiar NCAA Tournament daydream, a deranged sports columnist climbs a mountain and asks a wise old man at the top for the secret to Ohio State's five-game run through the postseason.
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“We Have A Lot Of Work To Do”

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#21
Mar 31, 2010
 
Brobama 08 wrote:
<quoted text>I predicted the Bucks would lose to a big deep team in the 3rd game of the tournament.Only thing I got wrong was I thought it would be Georgetown beating OSU instead of Tennessee.
I felt it was obvious the Bucks were very vulnerable to a big deep team and I was right.I guess I know more about OSU BB then most of you guys.I didnt have emotions getting in the way of my judgement either.
I've accepted that I live in the heart of OSU country and I can assure I've put up with way more grief then I give back.I like it here and have no intentions of moving away.
I lived in the heart of Steelers country for four years while I went to college. You only get as much grief as you dish out, and I even had the nickname of "Cleveland". There is a difference between getting in fights and picking fights. From what I've seen here, I don't feel you're the victim of OSU fans. It seems to me that you're the one commenting to them.

For everyone else, the Bucks had a good run. Going this far into the tournament was nothing to be ashamed of, and it gives us something to build on. If you look at what should have happened, the Bucks should have lost to Kansas instead of Michigan State beating Tennessee. Rankings are never guaranteed.

I'm proud of the Bucks and they played really well this year. It was high quality basketball that was a lot of fun to watch. Any team is vulnerable in the tournament, even teams like Kansas and Kentucky. People try and say they know whats going to happen because of a certain matchup, but in reality they don't. And for anyone curious, in my Final Four I had Duke, WVU, Kansas, and K-State. You don't beat your friends in Tourney Pickem (normally) unless you take some risks and pick what other people don't.

Go Bucks, and thanks for a great year of basketball. It was a pleasure to watch!

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#22
Mar 31, 2010
 
Brobama 08 wrote:
<quoted text>I only mention it to idiots on the board like you that think if you're not a Buckeye fan you're a walmart or Mickey D's worker.
In my experience a typical buckeye fan is a toothless morbidly obese loudmouth redneck with a generic cigarette in their hand and a off brand 40 ounce in the other.Throw in a stained dirty sweat shirt with baggy sweat pants and a dirty toddler by their side and you get a good visual.
If you saw me in person I wouldnt have to say a word about money,you would know immediately I live a good life.I'm paying tuition for 2 kids at OSU right now out of pocket,no loans or grants here.I'll have 100k cash tied up in their education and they wont owe anyone a dime when they graduate.
Try that on Walmart wages..........
Everything you just said in this post is exactly how I picture you. Are you sure you weren't looking in the mirror describing yourself? You generalize and entire population based off a few people? I've seen the same description for fans all over the country. The same could be said about any program. Again, spouting off about the money you make leads me to believe that you don't have any. Keep working to pay that internet bill.
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Apr 2, 2010
 
Brobama 08 wrote:
<quoted text>I predicted the Bucks would lose to a big deep team in the 3rd game of the tournament.Only thing I got wrong was I thought it would be Georgetown beating OSU instead of Tennessee.
I felt it was obvious the Bucks were very vulnerable to a big deep team and I was right.I guess I know more about OSU BB then most of you guys.I didnt have emotions getting in the way of my judgement either.
I've accepted that I live in the heart of OSU country and I can assure I've put up with way more grief then I give back.I like it here and have no intentions of moving away.
Been away for several days; thank you for your considerate, interesting response.

I too know many OSU fans whose hearts take over for their heads when it comes to cheering for the team; back in my original response I referred to this team as "overachieving" based on pre-season projections which -maybe- had them finishing as high as third in the conference. They gelled into quite a team by the end of the year, but I still felt they could go down as early as the second round - could have happened too, had Georgia Tech taken better care of the ball. Size and depth did indeed play major roles in how OSU ultimately lost to Tennessee.

On another point, I'm sorry that your exposure to Buckeye fans has mostly been negative. I am part of a fairly large group of OSU alumni who organize tailgate parties before each home game, often in close proximity to visiting fans. We usually have a good time sharing food and beverage with them before and after, regardless of the outcome; I guess we are old fashioned in thinking that half the fun is meeting fans from other schools. A couple of years ago some visiting fans from Michigan State had their car vandalized during the game; we helped those (understandably angry) fans clean up the mess and get them on their way home. To me, much of the fun of college athletics is sucked away by the trash-talking of some and the outright criminal behavior by a few.

That being said, your original post - while not trash-talking - appeared to be aimed only at provoking a negative response...and I, falling into the trap, obliged. No one died and made me ruler of this comment forum; obviously the right to post whatever you want - it just bugged me that instead of offering the reasoned logic you did in this reply to why you felt OSU would lose that night, we got a short (though ultimately accurate) "you're goin' down" type of comment. The main reason I read these comments is to see the very sort of personal analysis, yea or nay, you made in your most recent response. I still can't fathom why people who really don't care about Ohio State athletics hop on and post snarky comments, but it's their right to do so...and I know we have many OSU fans who do the same elsewhere (which I don't understand either).

I guess in the end it's all about putting things in proper perspective, from OSU athletics to newspaper comment boards.

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Apr 7, 2010
 
Speculative wrote:
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Been away for several days; thank you for your considerate, interesting response.
I too know many OSU fans whose hearts take over for their heads when it comes to cheering for the team; back in my original response I referred to this team as "overachieving" based on pre-season projections which -maybe- had them finishing as high as third in the conference. They gelled into quite a team by the end of the year, but I still felt they could go down as early as the second round - could have happened too, had Georgia Tech taken better care of the ball. Size and depth did indeed play major roles in how OSU ultimately lost to Tennessee.
On another point, I'm sorry that your exposure to Buckeye fans has mostly been negative. I am part of a fairly large group of OSU alumni who organize tailgate parties before each home game, often in close proximity to visiting fans. We usually have a good time sharing food and beverage with them before and after, regardless of the outcome; I guess we are old fashioned in thinking that half the fun is meeting fans from other schools. A couple of years ago some visiting fans from Michigan State had their car vandalized during the game; we helped those (understandably angry) fans clean up the mess and get them on their way home. To me, much of the fun of college athletics is sucked away by the trash-talking of some and the outright criminal behavior by a few.
That being said, your original post - while not trash-talking - appeared to be aimed only at provoking a negative response...and I, falling into the trap, obliged. No one died and made me ruler of this comment forum; obviously the right to post whatever you want - it just bugged me that instead of offering the reasoned logic you did in this reply to why you felt OSU would lose that night, we got a short (though ultimately accurate) "you're goin' down" type of comment. The main reason I read these comments is to see the very sort of personal analysis, yea or nay, you made in your most recent response. I still can't fathom why people who really don't care about Ohio State athletics hop on and post snarky comments, but it's their right to do so...and I know we have many OSU fans who do the same elsewhere (which I don't understand either).
I guess in the end it's all about putting things in proper perspective, from OSU athletics to newspaper comment boards.
The criminal behavior of fans is never tolerable and should always be persecuted. Some visiting fans, however, are very disrespectful and will do/say things with only the intention of provoking OSU fans that are just trying to watch a game in peace. More times than not, this is where people run into problems. There are exceptions to this, such as the people you helped in the parking lot, but the majority of problems seem to be provoked.
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Apr 7, 2010
 
Concerned Clevelander wrote:
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The criminal behavior of fans is never tolerable and should always be persecuted. Some visiting fans, however, are very disrespectful and will do/say things with only the intention of provoking OSU fans that are just trying to watch a game in peace. More times than not, this is where people run into problems. There are exceptions to this, such as the people you helped in the parking lot, but the majority of problems seem to be provoked.
A lot of truth to this. There are indeed visiting fans who spend time with Mr. Al K. Hall, then see themselves as trying to tweak the nose of the bully...but as OSU fans, and especially as the home team, I believe it is incumbent upon us to take the high road unless the behavior is insulting or actually physically harmful. Everyone's threshhold is different, and I'm not saying we should simply take abuse - but our detractors are always looking for something to point fingers at regarding our behavior. Case in point: how often do non-OSU fans still bring up crap like couch burning, which last happened in 2004? The only way to say we're better than that is to actually *be* better than that...and sometimes some of us are not.

That being said, you're right - I wish more fans could simply attend the game with the intent of rooting for the team of their choice and returning home safely without having to fear that their allegiance will prompt some bozo to curse at them or urinate on their car. There's another Dispatch thread today where someone from Iowa talked about how much he/she was looking forward to the OSU game this season, and a Buckeye fan responded in kind, saying how much they hoped Iowa was undefeated...at least until that game. To me, that's fun, that's what it's all about: fans of two fine programs looking forward to a game...and that's all it is, a *game*. It's great to win, but not everyone wins all the time (the UConn women's team notwithstanding); enjoying the win doesn't have to mean abusing loser, in part because that abuse might well bite you in the @$$ someday.

I digress. BTW: I'm guessing in your first sentence you intended "...should always be *prosecuted*." ;-)

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Apr 7, 2010
 
Speculative wrote:
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A lot of truth to this. There are indeed visiting fans who spend time with Mr. Al K. Hall, then see themselves as trying to tweak the nose of the bully...but as OSU fans, and especially as the home team, I believe it is incumbent upon us to take the high road unless the behavior is insulting or actually physically harmful. Everyone's threshhold is different, and I'm not saying we should simply take abuse - but our detractors are always looking for something to point fingers at regarding our behavior. Case in point: how often do non-OSU fans still bring up crap like couch burning, which last happened in 2004? The only way to say we're better than that is to actually *be* better than that...and sometimes some of us are not.
That being said, you're right - I wish more fans could simply attend the game with the intent of rooting for the team of their choice and returning home safely without having to fear that their allegiance will prompt some bozo to curse at them or urinate on their car. There's another Dispatch thread today where someone from Iowa talked about how much he/she was looking forward to the OSU game this season, and a Buckeye fan responded in kind, saying how much they hoped Iowa was undefeated...at least until that game. To me, that's fun, that's what it's all about: fans of two fine programs looking forward to a game...and that's all it is, a *game*. It's great to win, but not everyone wins all the time (the UConn women's team notwithstanding); enjoying the win doesn't have to mean abusing loser, in part because that abuse might well bite you in the @$$ someday.
I digress. BTW: I'm guessing in your first sentence you intended "...should always be *prosecuted*." ;-)
Sigh. Thank you for correcting my sentence. Yes, I meant to say prosecuted and in the context of my sentence persecuted did not make sense. I know you put the little winking face and all, but the correction is still annoying.
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Apr 7, 2010
 
Concerned Clevelander wrote:
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Sigh. Thank you for correcting my sentence. Yes, I meant to say prosecuted and in the context of my sentence persecuted did not make sense. I know you put the little winking face and all, but the correction is still annoying.
You have my sincere apologies. In my line of work I am used to (and in fact anticipate) being corrected when, not if, I make errors and I've learned to laugh at my own numerous typos - but you are right that a newspaper comment thread is not the place to point them out. Again, I apologize to you.

I had hoped that the fact that I placed it *after* two substantive paragraphs regarding the points you made was proof that I valued the actual content of what you had to say. Sportsmanship, or the lack thereof in some, is important to me because failure to show it detracts from the enjoyment of what should be an entertaining and fun event.

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Apr 14, 2010
 
Speculative wrote:
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You have my sincere apologies. In my line of work I am used to (and in fact anticipate) being corrected when, not if, I make errors and I've learned to laugh at my own numerous typos - but you are right that a newspaper comment thread is not the place to point them out. Again, I apologize to you.
I had hoped that the fact that I placed it *after* two substantive paragraphs regarding the points you made was proof that I valued the actual content of what you had to say. Sportsmanship, or the lack thereof in some, is important to me because failure to show it detracts from the enjoyment of what should be an entertaining and fun event.
It's water under the bridge. Moving on.

Sportsmanship is critical to sports, but very lacking. I was an umpire for six years, and the younger the children were, the worse the parents behaved. I have seen enough poor sports in that short time to last me for my lifetime.

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