PSU's schedule serves its purpose

Leeds wrote:

Not only that, but you pointing out the OSU had 2 regular season losses even helps my point. They had 2 losses and they STILL went to a BCS game. I thought the Big 10 had no respect and everyone sucked?

George and Reality often cite others as being the idiots ...

Leeds wrote:

Not only that, but you pointing out the OSU had 2 regular season losses even helps my point. They had 2 losses and they STILL went to a BCS game. I thought the Big 10 had no respect and everyone sucked?

We are not talking about any of the other BCS games, we are talkng about teh national Championship game, which no isnt even one of the bowl games, It is a separate game itself held at a stadium that hosted a "bowl game the previous week. OSU may have well as lost 6 games and gone to one of BCS Bowl games. They werent playing in the national championship and there was no way even a 60-0 win in their bowl game would have got them a national championship! The BCS system is based on points and the more wins a team can get over ranked and respected opponents the more points they can get! back to what i have said before, with the Big 10 sitting idle for an entire month while other conferences top teams continue to play in playoffs the more points they get. The top 2 teams in points play for the national championship. I love PSU football, but i would atleast love for tham to have a tougher non conference schedule. They had the same amount of losses as Oklahoma and Florida, why werent they playing for the championship. What do you think a win over OSU in a conference championship game could have done for PSU chances?

are you serious?

2003 #2 ranked OSU vs.#1 ranked Miami

I've already stated that a conference champ. game wouldn't hurt, but (and it's been proven) the lack of one will not keep a Big 10 from the title game.

And yes, the rest of the BCS games do count. If the conference stinks as much as you and others want to believe than PSU should have been the only Big 10 team to get to a BCS bowl.

Until your theory actually happens, then I'll agree 100%, but until then it's already been proven wrong.

Leeds wrote:

are you serious?
2003 #2 ranked OSU vs.#1 ranked Miami
I've already stated that a conference champ. game wouldn't hurt, but (and it's been proven) the lack of one will not keep a Big 10 from the title game.
And yes, the rest of the BCS games do count. If the conference stinks as much as you and others want to believe than PSU should have been the only Big 10 team to get to a BCS bowl.
Until your theory actually happens, then I'll agree 100%, but until then it's already been proven wrong.

I NEVER said they wont get into a Championship game! But it will make it a heck of alot easier! Of course the No 1 ranked team will get in after the finish of the season. But the the team that gets the #2 spot in the BCS CHAMPIONSHIP game all depends on BCS points, not the declared winner of a conference that has no playoffs. Can you answer why PSU did not get in to the CHAMPIONSHIP game this year???? Its simple, they did not have enough points. Florida had the same number of losses as PSU, they won their conference CHAMPIONSHIP game and jumped over Texas, who did not play in conference championship. Florida had a .8851 BCS ranking before their conference game and PSU ended up a .7373 without a conference champiuonship game. Dont you think if PSU had played in a conference championship against OSU, and beat them, they would have had a much better chance in getting to the big game? The BCS pints system has changed since the last time OSU won. The other two years theyw ere able to maintain a #1 ranking at the end of the Big 10 schedule. In this day and age IF ANY Big 10 team finishes the ends of the conference season and do not have a #1 ranking with the same amout of losses as say a Big 12 or SEC team that plays for and wins a conference championship, who do you realistically beleive will make it into the Big game. its all about the BCS points! The more games you play against quality opponents the more points you get.

Leeds wrote:

are you serious?
2003 #2 ranked OSU vs.#1 ranked Miami
I've already stated that a conference champ. game wouldn't hurt, but (and it's been proven) the lack of one will not keep a Big 10 from the title game.
And yes, the rest of the BCS games do count. If the conference stinks as much as you and others want to believe than PSU should have been the only Big 10 team to get to a BCS bowl.
Until your theory actually happens, then I'll agree 100%, but until then it's already been proven wrong.

And wqhy do you kleep refering to BCS Bolw games? This entire discussion has to do with Big 10 teams making it to the championship game. There is no way ANY Bowl game will be for the National Championship! They changed that several years ago. The teams that get selected for the "BOWL" games are the BCS also-rans that are not playing for a national championship.

hmm wrote:

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George and Reality often cite others as being the idiots ...

From what I've seen from them and a few others, everything they write about PSU fans and their holier than thou opinion of their football team, it becomes really easy to agree with their view of PSU fans as being idiots.

Phillie Phanatic wrote:

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From what I've seen from them and a few others, everything they write about PSU fans and their holier than thou opinion of their football team, it becomes really easy to agree with their view of PSU fans as being idiots.

I have been reading what this leeds character has been saying and I have to agree with George. Leeds just doesnt get what someone is presnting to him in a logical way. And what George is saying just makes sense. I am waiting for leeds to come back with "my mommy will beat your mommy!"

hey guys........until they institute a play-off system..................its all a moot point.....

LOL

what has changed in the BCS system since OSU made it in to the 03 game as the #2? Margin of victory, and the one national poll no longer count.

So you really think that PSU should have been in the BCS champ. game this year over Fla or Ok? Really? I'm as big a PSU fan as anyone else, but I'm not going to say that. Their ooc schedule was terrible and the Big 10 is down.

So until it actually happens, where a legit Big 10 team is passed over for the BCS champ. game, then you have a point. And I don't think playing OSU at a neutral site was going to help PSU get into the game last year after already beating them in Colombus. I will agree that having a conf. title game would certainly help, but the lack of one isn't keeping any Big 10 team from the BCS champ. game.

I'll say it again, lack of a conference champ. is not keeping any Big 10 team out of the BCS champ. game. OOC schedules and a down Big 10 are way bigger issues than lack of a conf. title game.

Leeds wrote:

LOL
what has changed in the BCS system since OSU made it in to the 03 game as the #2? Margin of victory, and the one national poll no longer count.
So you really think that PSU should have been in the BCS champ. game this year over Fla or Ok? Really? I'm as big a PSU fan as anyone else, but I'm not going to say that. Their ooc schedule was terrible and the Big 10 is down.
So until it actually happens, where a legit Big 10 team is passed over for the BCS champ. game, then you have a point. And I don't think playing OSU at a neutral site was going to help PSU get into the game last year after already beating them in Colombus. I will agree that having a conf. title game would certainly help, but the lack of one isn't keeping any Big 10 team from the BCS champ. game.
I'll say it again, lack of a conference champ. is not keeping any Big 10 team out of the BCS champ. game. OOC schedules and a down Big 10 are way bigger issues than lack of a conf. title game.

Finally!

Leeds wrote:

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You're f*cking insane.
Did a one loss PSU team make it to a BCS game this year, and did a one loss tOSU team make to a BCS game this year? Do you even watch college football, because the 03 OSU team was ranked #2 and was a HUGE dog against Miami in that game.
PSU and tOSU didn't deserve to play for the BCS championship this year and your not going to find many people saying otherwise. Texas was the team that got the screw job.
And of course a conference championship game wouldn't hurt, but IT"S NOT KEEPING A BIG 10 TEAM OUT OF THE BCS CHAMPIONSHIP, how many times do I have to say it, given that I've already proven it?
By the way, I despise tOSU, FIGHT ON STATE!

How can you say Texas got screwed they lost to Tech.. Oklahoma had a tougher schedule thats why they jumped Texas.. being you know so much about cfball i thought you would know that

Joe Pa wrote:

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How can you say Texas got screwed they lost to Tech.. Oklahoma had a tougher schedule thats why they jumped Texas.. being you know so much about cfball i thought you would know that

Did you forget that Texas beat Oklahoma?

Leeds wrote:

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Did you forget that Texas beat Oklahoma?

Did you forget that there is no current justifiable play-off system?

Leeds wrote:

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Did you forget that Texas beat Oklahoma?

Did you forget Texas lost to Tech. Oklahoma beat Tech and yes lost to Texas..it was a 3 way tie, the team with the toughest schedule came out on top..that simple..

Joe Pa wrote:

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..it was a 3 way tie, the team with the toughest schedule came out on top..that simple..

wow, you couldn't be more wrong.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml...

Notice there is no mention of strength of schedule.

BCS Stinks wrote:

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Did you forget that there is no current justifiable play-off system?

not at all, but since there is no playoff we're left to argue about the current system.

And I agree, I'd love to see a playoff.

I screwed up on saying it was because of strength of schedule only but in last year's case that was the deciding factor in the BCS ranking. In the link you sent my check #5. That is where the tie breaker ended.

The highest ranked team in the fi rst Bowl Championship Series Poll following the completion of Big 12 regular season conference play shall be the representative.

The goal of the conference when the rules were made was to try to get a representative in the title game.

Everyone argues that the "hottest" team in the country is playing the best ball every year. Last year it happened to be OU and UF. For the 1st time in a while those two teams matched up and it turned out to be a close game. Meanwhile Texas had to rally to be a piss poor Ohio State team.

Joe Pa wrote:

I screwed up on saying it was because of strength of schedule only but in last year's case that was the deciding factor in the BCS ranking. In the link you sent my check #5. That is where the tie breaker ended.
The highest ranked team in the fi rst Bowl Championship Series Poll following the completion of Big 12 regular season conference play shall be the representative.
The goal of the conference when the rules were made was to try to get a representative in the title game.
Everyone argues that the "hottest" team in the country is playing the best ball every year. Last year it happened to be OU and UF. For the 1st time in a while those two teams matched up and it turned out to be a close game. Meanwhile Texas had to rally to be a piss poor Ohio State team.

Yet that same Texas team beat Oklahoma, imagine that.

Right on Target! If the Kittycats had taken care of business at Iowa last Fall, they would have ended up playing Florida in a better location and a more friendly organization.(Look how the PAC 10 screwed PSU with the practice field arrangements. It's the little things...) I really think the Lions would have played a different game against Florida since the teams matched up better. At the end of the year, nobody will complain about the schedule when the idiotic computers and biased voters start their annual screw festival against any team NOT form the SEC, unless it's a voter from the Big 10 Area who still has an axe to grind because their ring wasn't kissed before the university presidents had the gall to invite PSU into the league without permission from Bo and the Ohio writers.

Even the stupidity of the current system can't mess with an 11-0 record when the votes are cast going into the bowls. GO LIONS!

Leeds wrote:

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Yet that same Texas team beat Oklahoma, imagine that.

What exactly is your point? It was three way tie. Tech would have had the same arguement had Texas been picked. Everyone in that scenario can claim they deserved to be there. The system was set in place years ago and it worked the it was supposed to. Texas agreed to the system so it's a bit difficult to say they were screwed.