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Court of Public Opinion
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Jerry Reinsdorf shouldn't blame his failure to land D'Antoni on being "misled." People around the league will read this as evidence that the Bulls are just a bad organization to work for.
Reinsdort:
<< He chose to go to New York knowing there was a good chance we would make him an offer. >>
Jerry, you should have made him the offer right then. You already knew about how much you wanted to offer.
<<I also said if this proceeds to where we want to make an offer, we don't deal with coach's agents.>>
So you're allowed to have your lawyers, but coaches can't have agents? This gives the impression you're not interested in balanced negotiations, but that you're looking to get the best of the negotiations. Someone doesn't always have to "win" in negotiations.
Jerry, you blew it.
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sammy
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Court of Public Opinion wrote: Jerry Reinsdorf shouldn't blame his failure to land D'Antoni on being "misled." People around the league will read this as evidence that the Bulls are just a bad organization to work for.
Reinsdort:
<< He chose to go to New York knowing there was a good chance we would make him an offer. >>
Jerry, you should have made him the offer right then. You already knew about how much you wanted to offer.
<<I also said if this proceeds to where we want to make an offer, we don't deal with coach's agents.>>
So you're allowed to have your lawyers, but coaches can't have agents? This gives the impression you're not interested in balanced negotiations, but that you're looking to get the best of the negotiations. Someone doesn't always have to "win" in negotiations.
Jerry, you blew it. Along with Pax.Pax hasn't done anything right.
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bullseye8ball
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Bulls have the appearance of running a franchise that reacts too slowly to staffing their positions - both head coach and players. Let's see - how many years now has it been since Jordan left? That's how slow they have been. And Reinsdorf trying to blame this one on D'Antoni - Jerry, who are you trying to fool? Maybe another "failure to communicate" situation ala Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke.
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Chris
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I don't see it. Why is everyone so high on D'Toni. He has accomplished anything? He had a great team in Phoenix and wasnt able to beat the good teams. He doesnt even seem like a good fit for the Bulls. I forcast that D'Toni leaves the Knicks before the third year of his contract. He has know idea what he just got into over in New York.
I have a feeling it was more about managerial control than anything else.
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oldguy55
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I 'm not sure who the next coach should be , but I do know The Triangle Offense and solid TEAM Defense keeps sounding better all the time !
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bullseye8ball
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Why doesn't Paxson just go down there and the coach the team himself? He can't seem to find anyone else to do it. Ala Pat Riley.
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Durham for Larrivee
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DCL wrote: <quoted text>
You're talking about success in a philosophy that differs from that of the Bulls. And even if the Bulls were an offensively-focused organization, their roster as currently composed would not hold a candle to the offensive output of the Suns, whether with Shaq or Marion. I don't see anything in that pro-D'Antoni argument that takes those factors into account.
That disagreement aside, I like the handle. Jim Durham and Red Kerr were a fantastic announcing team in the late 80s/early 90s. Too bad one went elsewhere, and the other went senile... I hear what you're saying, but my point is that the Bulls' philosophy is largely bankrupt. They no longer have the players to invoke a defense at all costs style, and the NBA has moved on from that anyway; offense trumps defense even in the playoff, especially if you happen to have Chris Paul. Remember the "Jordan Rules" ..... you can't touch him, but he can push off or move you on defense... the NBA has sub silencio invoked a similar Paul Rules this year. Funny thing: no one is talking about it. That guy spends more time in the paint without a hand on him than anyone I can remember. If Paul tried that on Norm Van Lier or Jerry Sloan, he would have been decked often and hard. The Pistons and Celtics can get away with hard fouls down low; let's see if they can do that if they meet up with the Hornets in the finals.
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CheapasBulls
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Jerry Reinsdorf ...."I don't know what happened.... we told him we would make him an offer around $2 million a year because we are still paying for our last coach we fired and and have two players that we are going to have to pay a lot and he got up and walked out of our meeting".... I doo Know????
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Hardliner
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In his old age Reinsdorf is morphing into some strange hybrid of Al Davis and Bill Wirtz.
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bill
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ok
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bill
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ola
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REALITY wrote: Avery Johnson is a better coach anyway.
No loss here. Complete agreement. I don't blame the owner for not begging a coach who hasn't won anything to take 4 millions dollars a year. If his ego is so big he needs to feel wanted, wait to the media in new york finish with him, he will wish he never took the job.
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josh
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you should never go and beg for a guy to come and coach your team. if your paying a guy 4 million a year he should feel like the one who is thankful to be there. i know the knicks were offering more but i would still take 4 mil over the knicks offer just to coach the bulls. hell i would coach the bulls if they offered me what im making now. it would be a lot better and a lot less stressful. i would take it in a heart beat. if i can get by making what i am now then im pretty sure i can make an pretty decent living with 4 mil a year. hes just a selfish son of a B who just wants money. i hope the media eats D'Antoni up and hes out in two years.
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Morons
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Durham for Larrivee wrote: <quoted text> I have a feeling we're all BB fans, sir. Some of us are very close to the game too I might add. I'd suggest you don't know what you're talking about in trashing D'Antoni. He was the architect of the run-gun Suns for about 4 years. He and Colangelo brought that team together. Without a true center and with almost zero defense, he made that team a perennial playoff team and challenged in the Western Conference. The Shaq-Marion deal wasn't his; that was an ultimatum from above.... hi Steve Kerr. I don't care what he did in the playoffs agains the best team in BB .. the Spurs, his team's fate was sealed when they gave away Marion, and in the face of the Nash slow-down. His deal was sealed before the playoffs my friend. Ask any BB authority or commentator; they will all to a man describe D'Antoni as a very special coach. Hey, maybe we should try to pry Lenny Wilkens away from the Sonics and have him come back for the umpteenth time. He's a better coach than D'Antoni, right?? Your suggestion that I don't know what I'm talking about is noted, and has been echoed by my wife many times. But I stand by my contention that he is a poor head coach. The run-and-gun Suns may have been fun to watch, but in the end, he lacked the coaching prowess to separate a great regular-season team from a championship team. If you are truly a fan who is close to the game, you would realize that Game 2 was completely on D'Antoni's shoulders. I mean, high school coaches know that if you're up three with the clock running out, you foul. Put them on the free throw line so that a desperation three-pointer can't tie the game. That is such an egregious error - even the announcers were bashing him - that it is plain to see that he is not a good head coach. I will give you that he's a great offensive mind, something that every team in the East needs. But a head coach? No way. If you truly "don't care about what he did in the playoffs", then what is the difference, in your opinion, between him and what we currently have? If success in the post-season is so irrelevant to you and other Bulls fans, then why should Reinsdorf open his wallet to bring in a big-name coach?
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DCL
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Durham for Larrivee wrote: I hear what you're saying, but my point is that the Bulls' philosophy is largely bankrupt. They no longer have the players to invoke a defense at all costs style, and the NBA has moved on from that anyway; offense trumps defense even in the playoff, especially if you happen to have Chris Paul. Remember the "Jordan Rules" ..... you can't touch him, but he can push off or move you on defense... the NBA has sub silencio invoked a similar Paul Rules this year. Funny thing: no one is talking about it. That guy spends more time in the paint without a hand on him than anyone I can remember. If Paul tried that on Norm Van Lier or Jerry Sloan, he would have been decked often and hard. The Pistons and Celtics can get away with hard fouls down low; let's see if they can do that if they meet up with the Hornets in the finals. I just don't share that view. Defense wins championships still. The Bulls won regularly last decade by having both prolific scoring and having great D from Mike, Pippen and many others when the scoring was down. Defense is a significant reason why the Spurs won the championships they have, as boring a team as I think they have been doing so. Sure, the league's overreaction toward Stoudemire and Diaw's leaving the bench, in response to Dirty Horry's hit on Nash, facilitated San Sntonio winning that round last year. And sure, had Phoenix actually been able to get past that point anyway they would have had a good shot against the Cavs in a wesk East. But had PHX won it all last year, they would have been one of the few to do so in recent years to do so without having a notable defensive mechanism. Add Don Nelson's Warriors and George Karl's Nuggets to that pile of exciting offensive teams that don't go far in the postseason. Defense is also why the two teams expected to play out the East (Detroit and Boston) are advancing. Boston had problems with the athletic, run-n-gun Hawks but managed in the end. Same with Detroit and Philly. Assuming the younger, faster Hornets beat the Spurs, it remains to be seen how they would handle what either of these two teams bring. And the Bulls we have now play competent defense as a whole, though I wouldn't include Gordon in that, and we could use someone other than Kirk to stick the likes of Kobe. Their problem is that they take the 3rd or 4th (usually one or the other, not both) off offensively. So, that demonstrates that the ultimate goal in basketball is to score more than your opponent in the end--"offense wins games." But if you don't stop the other team consistently enough, you're not playing much in late May and June. D'Antoni didn't show in Phoenix that he believed in that.
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sammy
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DCL wrote: <quoted text>
I just don't share that view. Defense wins championships still. The Bulls won regularly last decade by having both prolific scoring and having great D from Mike, Pippen and many others when the scoring was down.
Defense is a significant reason why the Spurs won the championships they have, as boring a team as I think they have been doing so. Sure, the league's overreaction toward Stoudemire and Diaw's leaving the bench, in response to Dirty Horry's hit on Nash, facilitated San Sntonio winning that round last year. And sure, had Phoenix actually been able to get past that point anyway they would have had a good shot against the Cavs in a wesk East. But had PHX won it all last year, they would have been one of the few to do so in recent years to do so without having a notable defensive mechanism.
Add Don Nelson's Warriors and George Karl's Nuggets to that pile of exciting offensive teams that don't go far in the postseason.
Defense is also why the two teams expected to play out the East (Detroit and Boston) are advancing. Boston had problems with the athletic, run-n-gun Hawks but managed in the end. Same with Detroit and Philly. Assuming the younger, faster Hornets beat the Spurs, it remains to be seen how they would handle what either of these two teams bring.
And the Bulls we have now play competent defense as a whole, though I wouldn't include Gordon in that, and we could use someone other than Kirk to stick the likes of Kobe. Their problem is that they take the 3rd or 4th (usually one or the other, not both) off offensively. So, that demonstrates that the ultimate goal in basketball is to score more than your opponent in the end--"offense wins games." But if you don't stop the other team consistently enough, you're not playing much in late May and June.
D'Antoni didn't show in Phoenix that he believed in that. is that all? you finished?
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xusllabb
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sammy wrote: <quoted text>is that all? you finished? you should be finished canuckhead.Are you and your cronies the only ones that can talk on this board?lol
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sammy
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xusllabb wrote: <quoted text>you should be finished canuckhead.Are you and your cronies the only ones that can talk on this board?lol Without you is even better knuckle head.Get a life moron
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