Gordon earns pole at Fontana

Why not race the fastest 42 cars?
Why send home cars that are faster than 9 cars NASCAR "put" in the race? Last years points should have nothing to do with this years races ? If you want new teams and new cars make it a FAIR deal not a FRANCE deal.

john still wrote:

Why not race the fastest 42 cars?
Why send home cars that are faster than 9 cars NASCAR "put" in the race? Last years points should have nothing to do with this years races ? If you want new teams and new cars make it a FAIR deal not a FRANCE deal.

Amen, John. I absolutely agree. But the greed level at NASCAR dictates the big sponsors must get their bang for their buck. If NASCAR is going to have guaranteed starting spots, that part of the seanson shouldn't kick in until after the sixth race. The first six should be open to the fastest 43 cars. At the end of six races, whoever the top 35 teams are from then on they get a starting spot. This way good, new teams have a chance.

jeff burton cheating this week at fontana but no points taking away, funny how the rules are with GM drivers.

john hall wrote:

jeff burton cheating this week at fontana but no points taking away, funny how the rules are with GM drivers.

YOU ARE WRONG! The violation was discovered during opening day inspection for the Budweiser Shootout. Therefore, he "cheated" in the Budweiser Shootout, a non-points race, The other violations occurred during the Dayona inspection, that is why the drivers' were docked points.

harvick420 wrote:

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YOU ARE WRONG! The violation was discovered during opening day inspection for the Budweiser Shootout. Therefore, he "cheated" in the Budweiser Shootout, a non-points race, The other violations occurred during the Dayona inspection, that is why the drivers' were docked points.

No YOU are wrong the other violations(resulting in points docking) occurred during QUALIFYING for the NON POINTS race, Bud shootout. I guess in Nascars view qualifying and inspections is so much more important than the actual racing.

Sorry I meant the duels.

Who's the girl? This was taken before he married Ingrid!

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/12562559...

anon i tryed to look at the picture but it said it had moved

i forgot it said the web page had moved are you trying to cause trouble for jeff gordon and his wife it could be his sister i think her picture as never been seemed as far i know

Snakelady wrote:

<quoted text>No YOU are wrong the other violations(resulting in points docking) occurred during QUALIFYING for the NON POINTS race, Bud shootout. I guess in Nascars view qualifying and inspections is so much more important than the actual racing.

What is your argument here!? The drivers' who had points docked did not pass inspection for the gatorade duels, or qualifying for the Daytona 500 (a points race), while Burton's car did not pass inspection for the Bud Shootout (a non-points race). That is why he was not docked any points! Whatever source you are getting your information from is wrong! Get your facts straight before you bring your bullshit up in here!

harvick420 wrote:

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What is your argument here!? The drivers' who had points docked did not pass inspection for the gatorade duels, or qualifying for the Daytona 500 (a points race), while Burton's car did not pass inspection for the Bud Shootout (a non-points race). That is why he was not docked any points! Whatever source you are getting your information from is wrong! Get your facts straight before you bring your bullshit up in here!

The duels are not a points race! It is qualifying! And they were only qualifying to race for qualifying! Gordon cheated and won, no points docked. I never said someone SHOULD be docked points for a non points race.
My argument was that those cars should not have been docked points. Gordon is the only one who even had an infraction which changed the outcome of a race-the reason they originally stated for docking points. Now they just change their minds and dock whenever in the hell they feel like it. You are either in the dark or you enjoy the fact that Nascar tried to influence the outcome of a race and possibly the championship. I feel like I'm pointing in the air to show you the sky is blue. Why can't you see this for yourself it's VERY clear

Snakelady wrote:

<quoted text>The duels are not a points race! It is qualifying! And they were only qualifying to race for qualifying! Gordon cheated and won, no points docked. I never said someone SHOULD be docked points for a non points race.
My argument was that those cars should not have been docked points. Gordon is the only one who even had an infraction which changed the outcome of a race-the reason they originally stated for docking points. Now they just change their minds and dock whenever in the hell they feel like it. You are either in the dark or you enjoy the fact that Nascar tried to influence the outcome of a race and possibly the championship. I feel like I'm pointing in the air to show you the sky is blue. Why can't you see this for yourself it's VERY clear

OK, so you started off complaining about Burton, but since I just proved to you that he was caught "cheating" during a non-points qualilfier, the Bud Shootout, you switch your argument to Jeff Gordon!? Yes, I agree, Gordon should have been docked points, he "cheated" during the gatorade duels, a points qualifier; same as Kenseth and Kahne.
"Qualifying to race for qualifying"... what does this mean? The front-row qualifier for Daytona was the Sunday before the duels...THE DUELS WERE QUALIFYING FOR DAYTONA! I believe you are somewhat confused as to what the gatorade duels were. THEY WERE QUALIFYING for a points race (Daytona 500). However, the Bud Shootout - not a points race. I'm still not sure what your argument is because you have failed to properly explain yourself. YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT! Oh yeah, by the way do YOU know why the sky is blue? You probably don't, so I'll explain for you...because water molecules in the air refract sunlight; this produces the appearance that the sky is blue.

harvick420 wrote:

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OK, so you started off complaining about Burton, but since I just proved to you that he was caught "cheating" during a non-points qualilfier, the Bud Shootout, you switch your argument to Jeff Gordon!? Yes, I agree, Gordon should have been docked points, he "cheated" during the gatorade duels, a points qualifier; same as Kenseth and Kahne.
"Qualifying to race for qualifying"... what does this mean? The front-row qualifier for Daytona was the Sunday before the duels...THE DUELS WERE QUALIFYING FOR DAYTONA! I believe you are somewhat confused as to what the gatorade duels were. THEY WERE QUALIFYING for a points race (Daytona 500). However, the Bud Shootout - not a points race. I'm still not sure what your argument is because you have failed to properly explain yourself. YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT! Oh yeah, by the way do YOU know why the sky is blue? You probably don't, so I'll explain for you...because water molecules in the air refract sunlight; this produces the appearance that the sky is blue.

You have me confused with someone else, apparently. I never was "complaining" about Burton.
I am "complaining" about points being docked over some inspection issue rather than something that happened on the track or affected the outcome of a race.
Kennseth and Evernham teams were not caught at the start of the duels. They were caught only in qualifying for the duels. The duels being a non points race, yes to qualify for Daytona. Hence my comment "qualifying to race for qualifying". If it is confusing to you complain to Nascar, I didn't design the format.
My comment about seeing the sky is blue is an expression of frustration that some people can not see how whacked out and unfair Nascars calls are.
btw we see the sky as blue because of the way the light hits our atmosphere, if it was water molecules in the air we would see the air itself as blue.

Snakelady wrote:

<quoted text>You have me confused with someone else, apparently. I never was "complaining" about Burton.
I am "complaining" about points being docked over some inspection issue rather than something that happened on the track or affected the outcome of a race.
Kennseth and Evernham teams were not caught at the start of the duels. They were caught only in qualifying for the duels. The duels being a non points race, yes to qualify for Daytona. Hence my comment "qualifying to race for qualifying". If it is confusing to you complain to Nascar, I didn't design the format.
My comment about seeing the sky is blue is an expression of frustration that some people can not see how whacked out and unfair Nascars calls are.
btw we see the sky as blue because of the way the light hits our atmosphere, if it was water molecules in the air we would see the air itself as blue.

The only thing confusing to me is the way you are wording your sentences. And I quote (from you), "they were caught only in qualifying for the duels"...YOU DON'T QUALIFY FOR THE DUELS...THE DUELS ARE THE QUALIFIER! The qualifier the previous Sunday was only for the front row...you don't qualify for the duels; you are seated in starting positions based on the front-row qualifier the previous Sunday, and then the Duels act as the qualifier. So there are two chances to qualify. Kenseth and Evernham were caught "cheating" during post-race of the Sunday qualifier (for a points race - Daytona, not the Duels) You don't use the Sunday qualifier to qualify for the Duels, everyone is automatically in the Duels no matter how they run the Sunday qualifier.

Also, don't try and pull that bullshit out with why the sky is blue...water molecules in the atmosphere refract the sunlight, causing the sky to "appear" blue...that is exactly what I said, except I said air instead of atmosphere...btw, have you ever seen a rainbow? What do you think that is...it's the same reason the sky appears blue. Do you even know the difference between refraction and reflection?

Daytona is done and overwith. Quit beating a dead horse.
Kahne and Kenseth got caught after the initial time trials, and NASCAR was afraid that they had given themselves and unfair advantage as far as a starting position for the duels.
Johnson did the same thing last year, and NASCAR made its point that it was a no-no then. All three teams served the same penalties, other than the points, but Brian France trying to "crack down" on cheaters.
Whatever Burton did (and I didn't even hear about Burton "cheating") was for the Bud Shootout I gather, and it was a non-points event. It was for fun. It did't matter, therefore no points. Kahne and Kenseth cheated during 5oo time. Much bigger deal, thus the points.
And what the heck does the color of the sky matter anyway??? IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!

NextelGrrl9 wrote:

Daytona is done and overwith. Quit beating a dead horse.
Kahne and Kenseth got caught after the initial time trials, and NASCAR was afraid that they had given themselves and unfair advantage as far as a starting position for the duels.
Johnson did the same thing last year, and NASCAR made its point that it was a no-no then. All three teams served the same penalties, other than the points, but Brian France trying to "crack down" on cheaters.
Whatever Burton did (and I didn't even hear about Burton "cheating") was for the Bud Shootout I gather, and it was a non-points event. It was for fun. It did't matter, therefore no points. Kahne and Kenseth cheated during 5oo time. Much bigger deal, thus the points.
And what the heck does the color of the sky matter anyway??? IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!

See, I agree with everything you said (especially the part about letting Daytona go - it was 2 weeks ago), I just couldn't decipher what Snakelady was attempting to convey. I don't think she is on the same page as you and I. Anyway...thank you for joining the conversation...and watch out for RCR domination this year baby - if it weren't for that final caution at Fontana Harvick would have two wins!

No problem. I'm always up for a good debate!