Court Overturns Jehovah's Witnesses Blood Ban

Society
Court Overturns Jehovah's Witnesses Blood Ban
16:11 28/03/2012
ST. PETERSBURG, March 28 (RIA Novosti)
Tags: Saint Petersburg, Russia

Doctors at a St. Petersburg hospital had to ask a court to sanction a blood transfusion for a child whose parents, members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses religion, had refused to give permission on religious grounds, city child rights commissioner Svetlana Agapitova said on Wednesday.



On Monday a car ran down three pedestrians in central St. Petersburg, including a woman with a baby in a stroller.



The girl was in a serious condition and needed an urgent blood transfusion and an operation but her father forbade the doctors to administer the procedure.



“It turned out that he is a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses whose religion forbids blood transfusion even when a person’s life is in danger,” Agapitova said in a press release posted on her website.



The father's lawyer told the doctors they had no right to perform any medical intervention without parental permission, even in a life or death situation.



Only a court ruling could reverse their decision.



The hospital chief went to a court which issued an order within hours that a blood transfusion and operation be carried out as soon as possible.



The operation went ahead but the girl’s injuries are very serious and she remains in a near-critical condition.

Note: These are the same cult defenders who slam women who get abortions.

But when life saving action is necessary to keep a jehovah's witness child from dying, they follow the teachings of Satan and let their child die.

Why didn't the tell the courts about all the other transfusions they could have done for blood without whole blood? Could it be that the hospital makes average 25,000 dollars more if thwey do a blood transfusion as oppose to not! Did they tell the Judge that only one out of a thousand pints are tested and those are only tested for aids, heps., and very fex other things? Did they tell the judge more people die from getting blood than from not? I guess 25,000 buys a lot of silence.

vikki, if a doctor told you that your child is going to die without this procedure, would you really allow your child to die because some men told you not to give your child every chance you could to live? No where in the bible does it say "do not give blood transfusions". My child's life is worth much more than $25,000 isn't yours? Where did you get the information about only one in a thousand being tested? Do you really think Jehovah wants your child to die?

vikki wrote:

Why didn't the tell the courts about all the other transfusions they could have done for blood without whole blood? Could it be that the hospital makes average 25,000 dollars more if thwey do a blood transfusion as oppose to not! Did they tell the Judge that only one out of a thousand pints are tested and those are only tested for aids, heps., and very fex other things? Did they tell the judge more people die from getting blood than from not? I guess 25,000 buys a lot of silence.

So you agree that it is NOT at all about God but is all about health and money.

vikki wrote:

Why didn't the tell the courts about all the other transfusions they could have done for blood without whole blood? Could it be that the hospital makes average 25,000 dollars more if thwey do a blood transfusion as oppose to not! Did they tell the Judge that only one out of a thousand pints are tested and those are only tested for aids, heps., and very fex other things? Did they tell the judge more people die from getting blood than from not? I guess 25,000 buys a lot of silence.

question

if a parent followed the wt on banned fractions that ARE NOW NO LONGER BANNED

who would they have been following the bible writers or the wt editorial staff of writers

jace wrote:

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question
if a parent followed the wt on banned fractions that ARE NOW NO LONGER BANNED
who would they have been following the bible writers or the wt editorial staff of writers

There was a good amount blood in fractions a while ago, however there are JW's today don't take fractions.

Jws may refuse blood transfusions, they may deny blood fractions but they still eat red meat and blood organs. For me this proves they function and respond without the use of critical thought. Strange how a jw will refuse a transfusion but will eat meat that once belonged to a living, red blooded mammal. Scriptures will be sited stating proper procedure in killing the mammal allows eating it's red flesh but it seems being a vegetarian in addition to abstaining from blood transfusion isr a small price to pay for the deaths occured as a result of this religous rule.

abrother wrote:

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There was a good amount blood in fractions a while ago, however there are JW's today don't take fractions.

Thanks for your response but unfortunately my question was not in regards to whether there was blood in some fractions.

Please refer back to my post since the fractions in question were banned as being unscriptural

Later on they were not banned

During that time no jw could take the fractions regardless of whether they wanted to or not

The statement you made about some jw still do not take them is moot since it was always a personal choice between the person and his doctor

The taking or not taking of those fractions Never had anything to do with God the bible or his relationship with God

So that takes me back to the question that you too failed to answer

During the time the ban was in place was the person following the bible writers or the wt writers?

It's such a simple question

jace wrote:

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question

if a parent followed the wt on banned fractions that ARE NOW NO LONGER BANNED

who would they have been following the bible writers or the wt editorial staff of writers

Excellent question. Excellent.

I wonder if and what JWs feel for those who died before new light was bestowed upon modern congregations. Those who died due to old light and the certainty of disfellowship.

Jehovah's witnesses are allowed to use their own consciences to make dicisions in their lives.
They are not robots, controlled by the Society.

Each witness has the right or free will to decide for himself how and where he will direct his steps in doing God's will. We are told to be obedient, but no one can impose their conscience on another,
not even a member of your own family.

The Society has never sanctioned blood fractions or any other use of blood, the Scriptures are very clear on how we are to view blood or how we use our blood.

The Bible is specific, we are not to take another persons blood into our bodies, by eating or transfusing it, to do so is to go directly against God's command for the sanctity of blood, any blood.

You can't be disfellowshiped for any other use of blood, but you will account to Jehovah God for how you have used your own blood.

Genesis 9:5

Who are you fooling?..Of course they impose their own will on others and they call it "the will of God" ..
JW members have all been so brainwashed that they are all fearful of being true to yourselves .
though

Christian Witness wrote:

Jehovah's witnesses are allowed to use their own consciences to make dicisions in their lives.
They are not robots, controlled by the Society.
Each witness has the right or free will to decide for himself how and where he will direct his steps in doing God's will. We are told to be obedient, but no one can impose their conscience on another,
not even a member of your own family.
The Society has never sanctioned blood fractions or any other use of blood, the Scriptures are very clear on how we are to view blood or how we use our blood.
The Bible is specific, we are not to take another persons blood into our bodies, by eating or transfusing it, to do so is to go directly against God's command for the sanctity of blood, any blood.
You can't be disfellowshiped for any other use of blood, but you will account to Jehovah God for how you have used your own blood.
Genesis 9:5

jhnsn d-s wrote:

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Excellent question. Excellent.

The reason i ask these types of critical thinking questions is because SOMEONE ASKED ME AND YOU REACH the point where in answering them you have to let the CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY
OR as i say, you got to call a spade a spade, EVEN IF IT HURTS

most jw like Abrother and myself and all others were so conditioned that our critical thinking ablility is so DULLED we literally are unable to process such questions

we only think in terms of IF I ANSWER IT WILL MAKE THE WT LOOK BAD and so the concept of intellectual dishonesty BECOMES PART OF BEING A JW

A JW HATES QUESTSIONS THAT require actually considering what is being asked and what the ramifications are of giving an honest anwers

we would prefer to duck, hide and avoid it

i cannot even believe as a wife and mother and grandmother that a child who needs blood will be swept aside and left to die needlessly. because of ten men in NY who are not drs and who are not religious leaders.

i would give my own blood and beg or put my house up for sale if need to be to amke sure my baby lived. not died.
'

and to boot if this org leaders said ok you can accept the blood what does this do to the many lives lost for no reason...

Jody Bodhi wrote:

I wonder if and what JWs feel for those who died before new light was bestowed upon modern congregations. Those who died due to old light and the certainty of disfellowship.

for the most part a jw is unable TO PROCESS THIS in terms of what does it say by following a group of Ghost WRiters out of nyc in regards to life and death issues

any jw who refused NOW ACCEPTABLE fractions never refused them DUE TO WHAT THE BIBLE TAUGHT, they refused them due to what the WT EDitorial staff said

taking in the ramifications of acknowledging they were merely following some dudes out of new york city, who openly admit what the write is Surmises, subject to be completely wrong, not inspired, not infallible and yet THEY LET THEIR CHILD or spouse or mate die BASED ON WHAT SOME WRITERS out of NYC said that the bible taught ONLY TO BE TOLD AFTER THE DEATH of the loved one O MY BAD!!!!! YOU CAN TAKE those fractions now-sorry that you couldn't EVEN TRY TO SAVE YOUR CHILD'S life without thinking you were sinning against God

our bad!!!!!

Christian Witness wrote:

Jehovah's witnesses are allowed to use their own consciences to make dicisions in their lives.
They are not robots, controlled by the Society.
Each witness has the right or free will to decide for himself how and where he will direct his steps in doing God's will. We are told to be obedient, but no one can impose their conscience on another,
not even a member of your own family.
The Society has never sanctioned blood fractions or any other use of blood, the Scriptures are very clear on how we are to view blood or how we use our blood.
The Bible is specific, we are not to take another persons blood into our bodies, by eating or transfusing it, to do so is to go directly against God's command for the sanctity of blood, any blood.
You can't be disfellowshiped for any other use of blood, but you will account to Jehovah God for how you have used your own blood.
Genesis 9:5

First off the Service Dept instructed elders for decades that taking blood was grounds for DFing. The service dept has now decided that it would no longer classify it as a DFing charge, but now a DAed charge

its just a technicallity as I was told by a number of bethel heavies, it now no longer sets up the local elders or the society for liability

you are just ingnorant of organizational policies and proecedures and what causes policies to be changed, now you are informed

your post shows your lack of understanding the history of the wt editorial staff teaching on blood

allow me to educate you-

the writing dept had listed a number of Fractions for years as BANNED,FORBIDDEN,

IF you needed them during this time YOU HAD NO CHOICE unless you wanted to be considered a sinner and dfed

many of those fractions were taken off the list, today YOU CAN TAKE THEM WITHOUT ANY REPRECUSSION

the question that i have asked is very simple

when jw were teaching to billions around the world and being willing to die in regards to those banned fractions, which many today are NOT BANNED

WAS THE JW FOLLOWING THE BIBLE WRITERS OR THE WT EDITORIAL STAFF OF WRITERS

the question is very simple

hanna wrote:

Who are you fooling?..Of course they impose their own will on others and they call it "the will of God" ..
JW members have all been so brainwashed that they are all fearful of being true to yourselves .
though<quoted text>

the poster means well, they are just unaware of the history of the WT editorial staff writings on this issue

but we welcome the poster for they will get the chance to read what the wt has written on the subject

so don't be too hard on them

unlisted wrote:

i cannot even believe as a wife and mother and grandmother that a child who needs blood will be swept aside and left to die needlessly. because of ten men in NY who are not drs and who are not religious leaders.
i would give my own blood and beg or put my house up for sale if need to be to amke sure my baby lived. not died.
'
and to boot if this org leaders said ok you can accept the blood what does this do to the many lives lost for no reason...

imagine needing a certain fraction to JUST TRY AND SEE IF IT COULD SAVE YOUR CHILD LIFE and to know that it is on the WT Editorial staff FORBIDDEN LIST

doctors and nurses are begging you to take the fraction to see if it can save your child, while the elders continue to show you what THE BOUND VOLUME SAYS about this specific fraction it is a sin to take

AND your child dies ----

and its not till you get home from the hospital AFTER LOSING YOUR CHILD do you go to the mailbox and get out the LATEST MAG ONLY TO LEARN THAT WHAT YOU THOUGHT WAS FORBIDDEN 4 HOURS AGO AS YOUR CHILD DIED infact was changed with this new mag that you got after your child died

NOW YOU ARE TOLD IT IS A CONSCIENCE MATTER IF YOU take the fraction in question

all from the wt editorial staff of writers

unlisted wrote:

i cannot even believe as a wife and mother and grandmother that a child who needs blood will be swept aside and left to die needlessly. because of ten men in NY who are not drs and who are not religious leaders.
i would give my own blood and beg or put my house up for sale if need to be to amke sure my baby lived. not died.
'
and to boot if this org leaders said ok you can accept the blood what does this do to the many lives lost for no reason...

You do not understand what makes JWs tick because your brain has not been pummeled down to mush by the requirements of the GB on this no-blood business. Your heart has led you in another direction, thank goodness.

Our worship should be something that helps us grow closer to God, that makes us feel good inside, that gives us strength and motivation to do what is right and that improves our lives as we endeavor to live in peace with others on this planet.

Most of all, we should respect ourselves enough to walk away from ANYTHING that no longer serves us, that does not help us to grow spiritually or that does not makes us feel happy or joyous inside.

Can you even imagine how a JW feels when making this decision to let a loved one die by following whatever the GB tells them? Does this "religion's" rules bring them joy and happiness? Do you think that the Creator of all life WANTS these people to allow their loved ones to die because of a rule that these men could very well change in the next few months?

We have to rely on using the convictions coming from a sound mind. The JWs cannot possibly be secure in their faith when they don't ever know what the GB will change ABOUT THAT FAITH tomorrow.

Jody Bodhi wrote:

Jws may refuse blood transfusions, they may deny blood fractions but they still eat red meat and blood organs. For me this proves they function and respond without the use of critical thought. Strange how a jw will refuse a transfusion but will eat meat that once belonged to a living, red blooded mammal. Scriptures will be sited stating proper procedure in killing the mammal allows eating it's red flesh but it seems being a vegetarian in addition to abstaining from blood transfusion isr a small price to pay for the deaths occured as a result of this religous rule.

We know there is blood in meat, yet it should not be alot of blood. If not, yet it will fried or grill away when cooked. If there is alot of blood in it, then I would use extra caution with it.