Jehovah's Witnesses baptize 28 in pool at BJCC Arena

Jun 16, 2012 Full story: Alabama Live 55

About 8,000 Jehovah's Witnesses gathered for a regional Bible teaching convention this weekend at the BJCC Arena and cheered as 28 new converts were baptized today in a portable swimming pool set up on the arena floor.

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#44 Jun 24, 2012
array wrote:
Millions Now Living Will Never Die, from page 89-90 :
"Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old"
Millions Now Living Will Never Die, from page 97 :
"...1925 will mark the resurrection of the faithful worthies of old"
Watchtower Oct. 15, 1917, from page 6157 :
"There will be no slip-up...Abraham should enter upon the actual possession of his promised inheritance in the year 1925"
No one said that people didn't get excited over the POSSIBILITY.

You people always pull this 'bait and switch' stunt.

You claim they said the end would come in 1975 and when you are proved to be lying you pretend you were saying something different.

We all agree that people got excited over the possibility.

But they still never said it was a certainty. They said "wait and see". They said "we do not know the day or the hour". They said "don't be saying anything specific about the year 1975".

That's the absolute truth of the matter.

Were people excited? Yes. Get over it.

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#45 Jun 24, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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No one said that people didn't get excited over the POSSIBILITY.
You people always pull this 'bait and switch' stunt.
You claim they said the end would come in 1975 and when you are proved to be lying you pretend you were saying something different.
We all agree that people got excited over the possibility.
But they still never said it was a certainty. They said "wait and see". They said "we do not know the day or the hour". They said "don't be saying anything specific about the year 1975".
That's the absolute truth of the matter.
Were people excited? Yes. Get over it.
people you mean the GB where else would the b/s get any idea about 1975 to build up their expectations, they never made it up, they got those expectations (false ones) from the GB.

As they have in the past always running ahead causing all these expectations many doing all they can because the end was in such and such, blood is on your hands if you don't do all you can especially in these last few years, is what we heard, not advicable to have children, be like Jeremiah have no kids the end nigh if not months away, yes oh yes we heard that at conventions, from the platform and so on.

Many never planned for a future thinking the end was so near, dental doctors work health, and people think like that Gareth because this is what we were told.
jace

Clinton, MD

#46 Jun 24, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
No one said that people didn't get excited over the POSSIBILITY.
You people always pull this 'bait and switch' stunt.
You claim they said the end would come in 1975 and when you are proved to be lying you pretend you were saying something different.
We all agree that people got excited over the possibility.
But they still never said it was a certainty. They said "wait and see". They said "we do not know the day or the hour". They said "don't be saying anything specific about the year 1975".
That's the absolute truth of the matter.
Were people excited? Yes. Get over it.
Does the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses say they ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR 1975? YES THEY DO

CASE CLOSE-
Mart

Miami, FL

#47 Jun 24, 2012
Poor bastards:

They went in as DRY, UNREGENERATE, LOST sinners and came out as WET ONES!

http://www.christconnection.net/id1.html
jace

Clinton, MD

#48 Jun 24, 2012
Helping the jw to understand their 1975 goof up

for many jw when discussing 1975 THEY NORMALLY attempt to lay blame at the feet of "SOME BROTHERS" and they attempt to sheild the top leadership, which in fact is where it actually started

let's illustrate the problem this way

A guy who works for walmart in the Garden center sends out an email claiming that Target's logo is Satanic via walmart email system to 100's of employees

and they forward it to others both in walmart and outside -

Walmart name comes up in the media and they explain "IT WAS SOME EMPLOYEES WHO DID THIS"

well in that case--

many persons understands that blaming Walmart top leadership for this really is not acknowledging that this was some ROGUE EMPLOYEE AND THEY HAVE BEEN dealt with by HR

now if the CEO of Walmart from his desk down in Bentonville, Arkansas sends out an email to all is Vice Presidents of all his division - who in turn send out emails to all regional store managers who forward the CEO email on to local super walmarts and reg walmarts and Sam Club managers, who in turn forward the CEO email on to employees and IN TURN SEND IT TO ALL THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY until the entire community has the emails from the CEO saying that Targets' logo is a Satanic symbol

while it is true all those up and down the walmart food chain are to blame WHERE DOES THE BUCK STOP???

back at the desk of the CEO-

same with the fact that low level jw like we have online all around the world were marching out 75 and the end of the world, it all came from the top down

now why is this so serious, well what are jw most proud of? that their dogma , understanding of the bible, interpetation ALL COMES FROM THE TOP DOWN

AND WHERE DID 75 AND THE END OF THE WORLD START from the top down

and for that reason the wt back in the 80's finally acknowedge they were responisible for it

blaming some guy in Walmarts Garden Center as the problem would make Walmart look stupid and yet this is what we see everytime 75 is brought up

some little old black sister down in NC is reponsibke for it YEA RIGHT
when in fact it started at the very top a racist pornographic eamil is sent email
jace

Clinton, MD

#49 Jun 24, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>people you mean the GB where else would the b/s get any idea about 1975 to build up their expectations, they never made it up, they got those expectations (false ones) from the GB..
BINGO

whenever i talk to jw here in DC on this subject they run the tied and wore out SOME BROTHERS ROUTINe

So i always ask WHO PUT THE 1975 AND THE END OF THE WORLD into the Public Domain??

who put this concept, view, thought , interpetation, idea, belief, whatever you want to call it, WHO PUT IT OUT INTO THE PUBLIC DOMAIN??

since jw don't come up with theological scriptural explainations OF ANYTHYING, WHERE DID IT COME FROM
the look on their faces is priceless and after alittle proding they final admit it came from the WT GB!!!!!!!
jace

Clinton, MD

#50 Jun 24, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
No one said that people didn't get excited over the POSSIBILITY.
Were people excited? Yes. Get over it.
Well this ain;t exactly the WHOLE STORY so let's turn to the GB own words as THEY TELL WHAT HAPPENED

one can trust them more than a mere jw bible study who is NOT EVEN PART OF THE FAITH

*** w80 3/15 pp. 17-18 Choosing the Best Way of Life ***

"There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility.

It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated."

######

SO WHILE gareth is correct it was presented as a
"possibility" the problem they admit they went BEYOND THAT

now my question is why would group of men who serve in the top leadership roles of a religions denomnation EVEN PRESENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS EVEN A POSSIBILITY knowing full well that jesus said:

"concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matt. 24:36

so who died and put THEM IN CHARGE TO KNOW WHEN THE WORLD WOULD END

see i like dealing with the BOTTOMLINE, which is WHY ARE YOU TELLING BILLIONS OF HUMANS that this is a POSSIBILITY and getting folks all excited and worked up??

how is that being Wise when the jw denomnation had already tried this DumbA$$ before in 1914 and 1925, its like when will you learn to leave somethings ALONE!!!!!

(Proverbs 13:12) 12 Expectation postponed is making the heart sick,. . .
jace

Clinton, MD

#51 Jun 24, 2012
"Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility."

######

THIS IS known as talking out both sides of ones my
or hedging your bets or as some would say CYA!!!!!!!
jace

Clinton, MD

#52 Jun 24, 2012
correction

"Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility."

######

THIS IS known as talking out both sides of ones my mouth or hedging your bets or as some would say CYA!!!!!!!

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#53 Jun 24, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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No one said that people didn't get excited over the POSSIBILITY.
You people always pull this 'bait and switch' stunt.
You claim they said the end would come in 1975 and when you are proved to be lying you pretend you were saying something different.
We all agree that people got excited over the possibility.
But they still never said it was a certainty. They said "wait and see". They said "we do not know the day or the hour". They said "don't be saying anything specific about the year 1975".
That's the absolute truth of the matter.
Were people excited? Yes. Get over it.
Interesting, gareth skips right over the two posts I made where the WTB&TS take responsibility for the 1975 hysteria. Very typical of a brain washed drone.

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#54 Jun 24, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
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Interesting, gareth skips right over the two posts I made where the WTB&TS take responsibility for the 1975 hysteria. Very typical of a brain washed drone.
he thinks as a lawyer, wonder if he is a defunct one.

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#55 Jun 24, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>he thinks as a lawyer, wonder if he is a defunct one.
Only if a lawyer can run his practice while he is living under a bush.

:)
TPMP

Jersey City, NJ

#57 Jun 24, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>sorry Gareth but the WT/GB did push 1975 yes they did, they expected a jubilee year in 1976 and if you know anything about Jubilee you know that is only after a major event, the WT as usual pushed ahead of Jehovah, just as they did with the 1925 commical stupidity of the reserected worthies was to take place, thus meaning that Armageddon was coming in 1925.
They have always built up expectations for the b/s as with stating that Armageddon would be here before the twentieth century.
Not only Gareth they professied Christendom will be destroyed in 1919.
Now with that track record why do you seem to think its impossible for the GB to push 1975 even when there publications indicated it so, not to mention all the hype at conventions, I was there.
So get over it and except that the WT/GB have made false predictions and many have suffered because of it, not that you would give a hoot about JW in general to you they are these people, not Gods people, the only ones you recognise as JW are the GB all those in Bethel and any JW that may agree with all the hype they have published, and many still in the KH that are long standing JW as I am know the truth but they still wait on Jehovah.
HOw long have you been waiting Gareth, what personal knowledge do you have if any. I see you don't seem to have much only what you read in the WT magazines, and if you are honest you would publish the articles from the WT magazines that condradict the ones you post here, you are selective and completely blind and if you are not blind you are an apostate to truth.
Where does it specifically say that the end will come in 1975?

I have never heard a witness saying that. No havee i ever read a specific date.

If one comes into the truth for a date?. Then they are coming in for the wrong reasons.

Plain and simple.

==========

Plenty of the friends. Especially the old timers who came into the truth way before 1975 died and still remained faithful.

Read the Apostle Paul in the book of Hebrews talking about all the faithful who died although not ,yet, receiving the promise.

"Faith is the reasonable expection of things seen although not ,yet, beheld".. it says something to that effect.

I don't have my bible right this second in front of me. Excuse me if i misquote. But that is the gist of the scripture.

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#58 Jun 24, 2012
TPMP wrote:
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Where does it specifically say that the end will come in 1975?
I have never heard a witness saying that. No havee i ever read a specific date.
If one comes into the truth for a date?. Then they are coming in for the wrong reasons.
Plain and simple.
==========
Plenty of the friends. Especially the old timers who came into the truth way before 1975 died and still remained faithful.
Read the Apostle Paul in the book of Hebrews talking about all the faithful who died although not ,yet, receiving the promise.
"Faith is the reasonable expection of things seen although not ,yet, beheld".. it says something to that effect.
I don't have my bible right this second in front of me. Excuse me if i misquote. But that is the gist of the scripture.
If they didn't preach, why did they apologize for it?

(1980 Yearbook,pp.30-31)

"The brothers also appreciated the candor of this same talk, which acknowledged the Society's responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975."

March 15, 1980 Watchtower page 16:

5 In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting - In the Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man's existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.

6 In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: "If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises." In saying "anyone," The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah's Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.

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#59 Jun 24, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
<quoted text>If they didn't preach, why did they apologize for it?

(1980 Yearbook,pp.30-31)

"The brothers also appreciated the candor of this same talk, which acknowledged the Society's responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975."

March 15, 1980 Watchtower page 16:

5 In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting - In the Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man's existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.

6 In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: "If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises." In saying "anyone," The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah's Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.
No no it didn't happen. ;-).

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