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The Color Purple

'Oprah Winfrey's Turned White'

Full story: Hollywood.com

Rapper 50 Cent has accused talk-show queen Oprah Winfrey of deserting her African-American roots to pander to the middle-aged white female demographic.

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Genevieve

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Nov 30, 2006
 
He's ignorantly ill-informed, and probably doesn't watch the show, or know ANYTHING of the work she is doing for black folk throughout the world. What's he done for his people other than add to worn out stereotypes?
jcmckinley

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#2
Nov 30, 2006
 
Black is a color, not an attitude.
Valerie NM

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Nov 30, 2006
 
I have to agree with Fifty, when you look at her audience you see a virtual sea of white faces. And when she speaks of issues they are typically not the issues that concern anyone in the black community that I know.
Too Much Chili

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#4
Nov 30, 2006
 
Hooray for depressed white women!
75 Cent

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Nov 30, 2006
 
Valerie NM wrote:
I have to agree with Fifty, when you look at her audience you see a virtual sea of white faces. And when she speaks of issues they are typically not the issues that concern anyone in the black community that I know.
Damn, girl you never satisfied. What would it take? Bet you isn't married?
Valerie NM

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Nov 30, 2006
 
75 Cent wrote:
<quoted text>Damn, girl you never satisfied. What would it take? Bet you isn't married?
Bet you are right on both counts..Did you think I had to agree like Oprahs show because she is black..I respect the achievements that Oprah has made and am in awe of her accomplishments as a women as well as a human being, and as a black women. But that doesn't mean that I think her show necessarily is targeted audience is the black community. I again admire Bill Cosby achievements but I am not interested in watching a movie that he would make becuse at 48 I don't think I would be his target audience do I agree with his feelings about the issues in the AA community not really. I don't agree with C. Rice either but I respect their accomplishments but do I think she is intouch with the black community not hardly. So just because someone is Black does not mean that I think they reflect my views, but I will respect their acheivements and accomplishments and point to my daughter and her son and all the other children and say look you can acheive that as well.
So no I will never be satisfied..shouldn't we all continue to want more better and to strive..
And no I have never been married and never have desired to..one reason is because I have always liked my freedom, and have always wanted more.
CWM caring white male

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Nov 30, 2006
 
"one reason is because I have always liked my freedom, and have always wanted more."

Personally, I am more free because I am married and dont have to worry about finding companionship. I love my wife and believe in a continuous commitment to our marrige. It is the best for my child and family. We work to make it work. It never gets boring. Never. Valerie, how is freedom compromised in a committed relationship such as marriage when 2 adults with common goals and values unite?

"always wanted more"

more of what?
CWM caring white male

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Nov 30, 2006
 
Valerie NM wrote:
I have to agree with Fifty, when you look at her audience you see a virtual sea of white faces. And when she speaks of issues they are typically not the issues that concern anyone in the black community that I know.
Valerie, so what is wrong with a black woman with a white crowd? Help me to understand this because your comment is really distorted. How does anything she does leave out blacks? Prehaps the amount of education is a factor in the crowd she drives in? My guess is that it is. This is again a toxic thought process which reinforces racisim with whites and black on black hate.

You seem intelligent Valerie. I mean no disrepect but I am really confused by your conflicting statements in other posts and this one.
Valerie NM

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Nov 30, 2006
 
CWM caring white male wrote:
"one reason is because I have always liked my freedom, and have always wanted more."
Personally, I am more free because I am married and dont have to worry about finding companionship. I love my wife and believe in a continuous commitment to our marrige. It is the best for my child and family. We work to make it work. It never gets boring. Never. Valerie, how is freedom compromised in a committed relationship such as marriage when 2 adults with common goals and values unite?
"always wanted more"
more of what?
Hi I am glad that you and your wife have a beautiful relationship. One of mutual respect and friendship..and never disssuade others from marriage or encourage ...I think everyone needs to find what brings happiness and joy to them...
For me, I enjoy being alone, I like my own space and the ability to move about without question, I like the companionship on my term, when and if I'd like to meet with whatever man I may be seeing at a given point in my life. Not everyone is a sharer, willing to share emotionally, or is forthcoming, not everyone is able to settle down in a given place with a partucular person..
when I said I want more I was being mainly facetious in reponse to another poster who asked if I would ever be satisfied..my answer was no I would always want more.. But to you my anwer is,.. the more I want.., is freedom to come and go as I see fit, to do what I want when I want, with whom I want, and how I want..to go wherever life takes me unfetered..
Valerie NM

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Nov 30, 2006
 
CWM caring white male wrote:
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Valerie, so what is wrong with a black woman with a white crowd? Help me to understand this because your comment is really distorted. How does anything she does leave out blacks? Prehaps the amount of education is a factor in the crowd she drives in? My guess is that it is. This is again a toxic thought process which reinforces racisim with whites and black on black hate.
You seem intelligent Valerie. I mean no disrepect but I am really confused by your conflicting statements in other posts and this one.
Hi I don't see the conflict but when I say she doesn't discuss issues that are important to those I know within the African American community was in regard to issues about the continued poverty in minority community, how the medical community often over looks important treatment for blacks, or when she discusses dietary programs it would be interesting to see her point out how in the AA community there are more fast food restaurants then grocery stores, and the high price of eating healthy. And if its a makeup show how about applying makeup on a black face..simple things relevant things to many blacks. If your audience is primarily middle age whites, which there is nothing wrong with that, the issues in the white community are vastly different than those in the AA community, or maybe more the solutions are..I understand that she is in a business and advertizing often dictates a direction a show may take because of the targeted audience, after all the advertisements on her show are not for Dark and Lovely black haircare products, for example.
Valerie NM

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Nov 30, 2006
 
Robin wrote:
Oh, and please don't accuse me of being racist when YOU YOURSELF seem to have a problem with the COLOR of Oprah's audience.
I wasn't going to accuse you of anything, if you are or are not racist that is your issue.. the comment was that I do not think that the issues that Oprahs has on her show reflect the issues in the black community. Plain and simple..when we have issues that are far more pressing than what designer dress to buy for the holidays we many are trying to figure how to afford gifts for the kids for the holiday. Or that a disproportionate number of black men between the age of 16-25 are actively looking for employment but are unemployed 36% per the labor boards report in Sept 06, and if perhaps there maybe a correlation to unemployment and so many young black men and women commiting crimes and the subsequent incarcartion of 30% of AA males. Those are important issues, but if that is to lofty of a concept to address and since it seems to hold little relevance and interest for the middle age white community can we black folks who are not so far down in the gutter as you say, atleast have that hair weave special you mentioned.
But seriously I am merely saying Oprah shows ussues are not driven by what perhaps many AA would be more interested in hearing. I am sure you are not interested in every show that has a Caucasian Host either.
Valerie NM

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Nov 30, 2006
 
cuteblkdude wrote:
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The level of education has nothing to do with it being a white crowd. There are plenty of educated African Americans to fill her show room. I mean I have much love for Oprah and I think she is just a good business woman who knows how to make money. Her show may be predominately white, but in her own free time, everything she does is all black. When she has a special benefit all you mainly see is black people. Most of her closet friends are black. When ever she donates money its always for a black cause. So in order to answer the question "Oprah Winfrrey's Turned White" you have to think outside the box.
Exactly..as I said I have much respect for her, but hers is a business as is any other and has to have a targeted demographic, which the format of her shows will be geared to as well as who her advertisers are seeking..plain and simply no disrespect to her. Bottom line MONEY, the CONSUMER with the deepest pocketbook.
As far as inteeligence I was going to let that pass but I have two BAs and many of the people I know have that and then some, and in all walks of life.
CWM caring white male

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Nov 30, 2006
 
Valerie NM wrote:
<quoted text>Hi I don't see the conflict but when I say she doesn't discuss issues that are important to those I know within the African American community was in regard to issues about the continued poverty in minority community, how the medical community often over looks important treatment for blacks, or when she discusses dietary programs it would be interesting to see her point out how in the AA community there are more fast food restaurants then grocery stores, and the high price of eating healthy. And if its a makeup show how about applying makeup on a black face..simple things relevant things to many blacks. If your audience is primarily middle age whites, which there is nothing wrong with that, the issues in the white community are vastly different than those in the AA community, or maybe more the solutions are..I understand that she is in a business and advertizing often dictates a direction a show may take because of the targeted audience, after all the advertisements on her show are not for Dark and Lovely black haircare products, for example.
I see, although I have seen several shows ( and believe me, I cant stand her because all her shows seem to pat herself on the back) where AA issues were addressed in a all about inclusive was such as healhty and cooking AA style.
CWM caring white male

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Nov 30, 2006
 
cuteblkdude wrote:
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The level of education has nothing to do with it being a white crowd. There are plenty of educated African Americans to fill her show room. I mean I have much love for Oprah and I think she is just a good business woman who knows how to make money. Her show may be predominately white, but in her own free time, everything she does is all black. When she has a special benefit all you mainly see is black people. Most of her closet friends are black. When ever she donates money its always for a black cause. So in order to answer the question "Oprah Winfrrey's Turned White" you have to think outside the box.
the level of education is correlated to the types of topics. Poverty is not one of them...thats what I meant.
CWM caring white male

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Nov 30, 2006
 
Valerie NM wrote:
<quoted text>I wasn't going to accuse you of anything, if you are or are not racist that is your issue.. the comment was that I do not think that the issues that Oprahs has on her show reflect the issues in the black community. Plain and simple..when we have issues that are far more pressing than what designer dress to buy for the holidays we many are trying to figure how to afford gifts for the kids for the holiday. Or that a disproportionate number of black men between the age of 16-25 are actively looking for employment but are unemployed 36% per the labor boards report in Sept 06, and if perhaps there maybe a correlation to unemployment and so many young black men and women commiting crimes and the subsequent incarcartion of 30% of AA males. Those are important issues, but if that is to lofty of a concept to address and since it seems to hold little relevance and interest for the middle age white community can we black folks who are not so far down in the gutter as you say, atleast have that hair weave special you mentioned.
But seriously I am merely saying Oprah shows ussues are not driven by what perhaps many AA would be more interested in hearing. I am sure you are not interested in every show that has a Caucasian Host either.
"16-25"

Val, the ages you posted are not the working class that need high paying jobs. Come one now, these are school ages. They should be thinking of finishing HS and moving on to college. Its crazy to argue that there are not enough jobs for 16 year olds.

Minimum wage was not designed to fund a family. The jobs that are minimum wages are low skill HS and college part time jobs to have spending money.

If a family is trying to raise their family on a minimum wage job, they are under skilled and need training. Simply put.
Valerie NM

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Nov 30, 2006
 
CWM caring white male wrote:
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I see, although I have seen several shows ( and believe me, I cant stand her because all her shows seem to pat herself on the back) where AA issues were addressed in a all about inclusive was such as healhty and cooking AA style.
And I am sure she does, but again heris is a business and empire..I don't dislike her I just am not rushing to turn the TV on to see her show..However i do wake up at 3am some mornings to watch the Tavis Smiley show on PBS, or watch Meet the Press, and Face The Nation on Sunday mornings even after a late night of partying because those are issues that concern all of us.
rap city rhapsody

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Nov 30, 2006
 
everybody's quick to jump on the "i hate oprah" bandwagon without really taking a look at the woman and her philanthropy beyond the all-important show. for instance, my son is involved in a teen program where all but about 3 of the participants are african american or african from the continent. these kids are being exposed to things above and beyond what other kids their age are getting at school, and it is ENTIRELY PAID FOR through a grant funded by oprah's angel network. we as parents do not have to come out of our pockets with one penny. there are several community-based projects such as this that oprah is sponsoring throughout the country. it is unfair to make a negative judgment on her based on the color of her audience. her show, in my opinion, is much too focused on our obsession with celebrities of all races, so i choose not to watch it when that's the topic.

as for 50-cent: since when did his inarticulate ass become a spokesperson for the black community? he certainly doesn't speak for me. based on the article (which i bothered to read before posting) it sounds as though he's expressing sour grapes because he hasn't been invited to the show to promote himself. who's the real sell-out here...?
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Nov 30, 2006
 
Valerie NM wrote:
<quoted text>Hi I don't see the conflict but when I say she doesn't discuss issues that are important to those I know within the African American community was in regard to issues about the continued poverty in minority community, how the medical community often over looks important treatment for blacks, or when she discusses dietary programs it would be interesting to see her point out how in the AA community there are more fast food restaurants then grocery stores, and the high price of eating healthy. And if its a makeup show how about applying makeup on a black face..simple things relevant things to many blacks. If your audience is primarily middle age whites, which there is nothing wrong with that, the issues in the white community are vastly different than those in the AA community, or maybe more the solutions are..I understand that she is in a business and advertizing often dictates a direction a show may take because of the targeted audience, after all the advertisements on her show are not for Dark and Lovely black haircare products, for example.
valerie, be real: how many times have you visited this forum and noticed that those very same topics you just mentioned get almost NO response from the folks who post here (who are presumably interested in black community issues)? you yourself started a thread on hunger and it received how many hits?? i started one on consumption and i have YET to get a response from anybody on the subject... people in general aren't attracted to topics that make them think...they'd rather discuss interracial dating and why pam anderson's last marriage failed... it really isn't a black, white, asian or hispanic thing, it's an intellect thing.
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Nov 30, 2006
 
rap city rhapsody wrote:
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valerie, be real: how many times have you visited this forum and noticed that those very same topics you just mentioned get almost NO response from the folks who post here (who are presumably interested in black community issues)? you yourself started a thread on hunger and it received how many hits?? i started one on consumption and i have YET to get a response from anybody on the subject... people in general aren't attracted to topics that make them think...they'd rather discuss interracial dating and why pam anderson's last marriage failed... it really isn't a black, white, asian or hispanic thing, it's an intellect thing.
Unfortuantely I agree. The very thread I started was about the crisis in Darfur, I think I received 19 hits if that many. Next the one on hunger..I also thought you started a thread about favorite books which was very fascinating. Patriq and I also had a thread about volunteering, and mentor in the black community.. I agree with you that issues are not what people care about as much as who is doing who...And now you have gone and made me sad :) But really it is disappointing.
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Nov 30, 2006
 
Ashley wrote:
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I think some people feel this way towards Oprah because they are taught that African Americans do NOTHING for their own, especially when that individual is wealthy or just simply have the means to do so. To Oprah haters on here.....if anything, Oprah is the ONLY true African American christian woman in this country because she believes in not thinking she's higher than others, but rather giving back to community that she never left behind. Gosh, some of you all make me sick lol with this bashing of good folks.....you praise 50 Cent for coming out with a CD that you can't even understand the lyrics to, yet you want to cast Oprah as some anti-"black." I haven't seen any of you coming out of your wallets to help build homes for the poor or just give a little orphaned child a hug when he or she needed it. And newsflash, she can't control WHOM shows up to her shows and what her audience base is. Some of you are a bunch of superfreaks lol for real. And who in the heck is 50 Cent? He was shot 9 times and glorifies that. There is nothing cute about being caught in gang wars and certainly nothing honorable about that. 50 Cent can crawl back into that craphole he came from. Notice....this is the same guy who bashes Kanye West simply for stating his opinion on Bush. 50 Cent is just trying to stir up things because he knows his career is going downhill. What type of audience base does he cater to? Think about that one.
I heard that. His name is about how much his opinion is worth to me. We need more Oprahs in the world.
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