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Mormon Dead Jew Baptisms wrote:

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They changed their teaching about black people (men) being Mormon clergy in '78.

Mormon Dead Jew Baptisms wrote:

"Cult" is no more meaningless a term than is "addiction" or "brainwashing." It might be hard to define, but the warning signs and characteristics are well known. "Cult" might also exist on a sliding scale, like so many things.
Both Scientology and Mormonism in my opinion are about authoritarian control. They also demand lots of money from adherents.

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Scientologists have a long record of dirty tricks accusations. Both Scientology and Mormonism have histories of "disconnecting" from people who disagree with the authoritarian teachings or leave the fold. Mormonism has certainly been oppressive of glbt people. That's more than just "vile." None of this is healthy.
And Mormonism's theocracy - which they will deny - is clearly dangerous.
You seem to have a mental block in this area. Are you a Scientologist?

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Good luck with that tea bagger.

Rose_NoHo wrote:

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Which, makes me despise them all the more, if there is one thing I hate more than a racist, it's a racist with no balls.
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Almost all religious groups are like that.
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No, it just seems to me Scientology is unfairly picked on because it is a new and minority religion.

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Gold Mask wrote:

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Not at all. I'm dealing ion facts, and you are trying to make a comparison that defies simple logic. I'd say you are more interested in Christianity than scientology somehow, as you keep trying to avoid scientology itself.
YOU stated scientology is no worse(in fact actually better by you assertions)than any other religion when you do not even know that actual philosophy of scientology itself.

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The subject is about Murdoch and scientology criticism. But of course heaven forbid any criticism of scientology should go on without derailment.
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Wrong forum, wrong subject matter. But alas, you are ostensibly here to NOT discuss the subject matter at hand
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And you have the audacity to say "You're just appealing to popularity". What is it you are doing here? You are making statement based on nothing more than an unverifiable testimonials.
You will not address any point I have presented to you in your ongoing crying about Christianity.
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Again, you are making a statement on the basis of, well...nothing other than you are trying to build straw men. You know scientology "beliefs and practices" do you? Coz I tell you, there's a lot to know from start to finish.
You have not a clue, or are a troll or an apologist etc
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Too bad you're not real clever. Scientologists are not waiting for hubbard's return. Hubbard wrote nobody will know him when he returns X amount of years after he dropped his body.
If you rely on Fox News for "fair and balanced", then you'd be blind and following
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It's not. Because scientologists are not awaiting hubbard's return.
You have no idea what you are on about

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reza june wrote:

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What exactly is your definition of a Religion as opposed to a Cult, Rosie No Hoe?

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Rose_NoHo wrote:

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I said that the beliefs of Scientologists may be wacky, but they are no more wacky than those of Christians.

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OK, so they aren't waiting for his return. Guess Christianty is wackier.

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Gold Mask wrote:

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Yet, you don't even know scientology beliefs and practices and still make comparisons as if you did.Whom is it appealing to authority?
Admit it, you don't know what you are on about and are only here to rabbit on about Christianity.

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Dunno, but I *do* know that the largest infiltration into government offices perpetuated on local soil in all of U.S. history was committed by the church of scientology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_W...
I also know that not other 'religion' in the U.S is afforded the same considerations as scientology by the I.R.S.
Get informed before you open your mouth on a subject you know little about.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"--Abraham Lincoln

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WTF does "rabbit on" mean?
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What's the topic? RM labeled Scientology a "very weird cult". Well, I'm just pointing out their beliefs can't be any weirder than Christianity's, and "cult" is just a meaningless pejorative.

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ella wrote:

F*ck this dudes, I'm starting my own religion... Seems like an easy way to get rich. Hell, if Hubbard can do it... Now... Where can I find some dumb shits that believe anything..hmmm

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Rose_NoHo wrote:

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Almost all religious groups are like that.

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Christsharian Law wrote:

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No, not all religious groups try to keep their beliefs secret or to avoid discussing them openly...as is the case with secrecy in Scientology and in Mormonism.
Not all religions have anything near the same history of family members "disconnecting" from or shunning ex adherents via their total community support system.
And most other religions do not sound like science fiction. They might sound like fantasy, but they don't have the science fiction thing going on.
Some authoritarian groups are worse than others. These things occur along spectra.

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Rose_NoHo wrote:

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I have a friend who used to be a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses. They told him he could not remain my friend if I didn't convert. He left them.
Putting 2 or 7 pairs of every type of animal on a boat and staying on that boat for a year sounds like sci-fi to me.

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Christsharian Law wrote:

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Maybe we should look up "science fiction," then. In "science" fiction there is usually some allusion to technology or science. The story or poem or allegory of the Arc doesn't fulfill this simple, obvious definition.

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So the abusive behavior of J. Witnesses means that similar behavior when found in Mormonism and in Scientology does not make them cults? That doesn't follow.

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Also, as far as I am concerned, J. Witnesses share many of the same qualities of a cult, as compared to, say, Quakers or mainstream Catholics.
This is all obvious. You have a blind spot. People know what the cluster of qualities which defines or wans of a cult are. It is not a meaningless term, as you claimed.
I also note you select out one distinguishing trait while leaving my other ones unremarked upon.

I Am Enzo - The Baker wrote:

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Try Washington, DC, in particular the U.S. Congress where the infestation of dumb shits is epidemic...

Rose_NoHo wrote:

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I've said before that the term "cult" is a meaningless pejorative.

ella wrote:

F*ck this dudes, I'm starting my own religion... Seems like an easy way to get rich. Hell, if Hubbard can do it... Now... Where can I find some dumb shits that believe anything..hmmm