Iran may shut down Strait of Hormuz

Jul 7, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: FOX16

In this handout provided by the U.S. Navy on January 8, 2008, small craft suspected to be from the Islamic Republic of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Navy , maneuver aggressively in close proximity of the U.S. Navy Aegis-class cruiser USS Port Royal , Aegis-class destroyer USS Hopper and frigate USS Ingraham January 6, 2008 in the Persian Gulf.

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No matter how Reza Jew hating scumbag tries to convince themselves and the uneducated that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves.
I've said it before and I will say it again, in the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.
Why now has it become such a critical priority?
The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years.
Golda Meir was right. Her statement is validated by the truth of history and by the candid, but not widely circulated, pronouncements of Arafat and his lieutenants.
Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It's not too late to say no to terrorism. It's not too late to say no to another Arab terror state. It's not too late to tell the truth about Palestine.
What an Idiot! If you ever stated something intelligible, it would be a miracle. An outright MIRACLE!

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Ayreshire wrote:
No matter how Reza Jew hating scumbag tries to convince themselves and the uneducated that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves.
I've said it before and I will say it again, in the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.
Why now has it become such a critical priority?
The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years.
Golda Meir was right. Her statement is validated by the truth of history and by the candid, but not widely circulated, pronouncements of Arafat and his lieutenants.
Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It's not too late to say no to terrorism. It's not too late to say no to another Arab terror state. It's not too late to tell the truth about Palestine.
What an Idiot! If you ever stated something intelligible, it would be a miracle. An outright MIRACLE!
In a way, current generation "Palestinians" are as stateless as Jews were in 1946. What is your solution for them?

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<quoted text>Why do you lie so much?? Do get some kind of thrill and hope that some idiot will buy into your ignorant nonsensical LIES!!
Lololol, you know nobody's buying into yours, but I guess it's good therapy for your arthritic fingers on that worn out keyboard, maybe AIPIAC can sent you another, so you don't have to use that long hairy lying Pinocchio NOSE of yours.
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Lololol, you know nobody's buying into yours, but I guess it's good therapy for your arthritic fingers on that worn out keyboard, maybe AIPIAC can sent you another, so you don't have to use that long hairy lying Pinocchio NOSE of yours.
No matter how Filthy LYING Reza Jew hating scumbag tries to convince themselves and the uneducated that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves.
I've said it before and I will say it again, in the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.
Why now has it become such a critical priority?
The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years.
Golda Meir was right. Her statement is validated by the truth of history and by the candid, but not widely circulated, pronouncements of Arafat and his lieutenants.
Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It's not too late to say no to terrorism. It's not too late to say no to another Arab terror state. It's not too late to tell the truth about Palestine.
What an Idiot! If you ever stated something intelligible, it would be a miracle. An outright MIRACLE!

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<quoted text>No matter how Filthy LYING Reza Jew hating scumbag tries to convince themselves and the uneducated that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves.
I've said it before and I will say it again, in the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.
Why now has it become such a critical priority?
The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years.
Golda Meir was right. Her statement is validated by the truth of history and by the candid, but not widely circulated, pronouncements of Arafat and his lieutenants.
Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It's not too late to say no to terrorism. It's not too late to say no to another Arab terror state. It's not too late to tell the truth about Palestine.
What an Idiot! If you ever stated something intelligible, it would be a miracle. An outright MIRACLE!
Why do you say the Palestinians' desires for statehood are falsely represented? Do you think they do not want a state? I have known a number of "Palestinians," and they were not terrorists and did not support that kind of action, which btw early Israelis resorted to, did they not?

Nobody even on this wacky thread supports terrorism per se, at least overtly. Certainly the Jew-haters and Israel-haters are over-represented and are frankly none too bright or accurate, but one shouldn't portray them as representing the run of the mill people in "Palestine." Not all Arab states are by definition terror states. Some states have almost no Arabs and are terrorist sources. Killing innocents, which is what terrorism is about, is indeed part and parcel of Islamism, and were the Israeli issue to go away tomorrow Muslims would keep right on killing.
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not going to happen
remember japan was having peace talks at the same time they were bombing pearl harbor just as iran is doing and still making uranium to attack
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<quoted text>remember japan was having peace talks at the same time they were bombing pearl harbor just as iran is doing and still making uranium to attack
are there any rules in war when it comes down to it?

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<quoted text>are there any rules in war when it comes down to it?
There are. Thus, "war crimes." As for the USA forces, yes as well: the UCMJ. The geneva conventions. It all, at times, is like trying to pick up a turd by its clean end.
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There are. Thus, "war crimes." As for the USA forces, yes as well: the UCMJ. The geneva conventions. It all, at times, is like trying to pick up a turd by its clean end.
i stand corrected in seems crimes is defined many diferent ways pissing on the dead us troops get into more trouble than multible executions the killings of women and children torture of prisnors the killings of innocents where these drone attacks are concerned have they slowed at all?Why are children killed in drone attacks and they have only increased in number?The us is better than that i thought. The definition of war crimes like trying to pick up a turd by its clean end that is a very good excample one of the best ive herd i guess its not a crime until after the fact huh? thats the sad part

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<quoted text>i stand corrected in seems crimes is defined many diferent ways pissing on the dead us troops get into more trouble than multible executions the killings of women and children torture of prisnors the killings of innocents where these drone attacks are concerned have they slowed at all?Why are children killed in drone attacks and they have only increased in number?The us is better than that i thought. The definition of war crimes like trying to pick up a turd by its clean end that is a very good excample one of the best ive herd i guess its not a crime until after the fact huh? thats the sad part
In no war in history, by no country ever, has a country tried to engage an enemy so carefully to avoid killing or injuring noncombatants, as the USA has in the ME. No country has taken more losses because of its efforts to avoid innocents than the USA. The Islamists have used schools and hospitals and Mosques to fight from; they have used women and children as shields to hide behind. they have used retarded children to be so-called suicide bombers. They have killed women and children deliberately and without mercy. The numbers of innocents killed by NATO has not increased: just the opposite.

I sometimes wonder if fighting a kinder, gentler war really saves innocents over the long run. The USA uses such a tiny percent of its power that such wars drag on too long. Perhaps we ought to just mercilessly obliterate enemy areas, wipe everyone there off the map and get it done, as was done in WWII, for instance.

Better yet, maybe the people themselves ought to go after the Islamists dogs in their midst and kill them outright. I think I can see that happening.
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In no war in history, by no country ever, has a country tried to engage an enemy so carefully to avoid killing or injuring noncombatants, as the USA has in the ME. No country has taken more losses because of its efforts to avoid innocents than the USA. The Islamists have used schools and hospitals and Mosques to fight from; they have used women and children as shields to hide behind. they have used retarded children to be so-called suicide bombers. They have killed women and children deliberately and without mercy. The numbers of innocents killed by NATO has not increased: just the opposite.
I sometimes wonder if fighting a kinder, gentler war really saves innocents over the long run. The USA uses such a tiny percent of its power that such wars drag on too long. Perhaps we ought to just mercilessly obliterate enemy areas, wipe everyone there off the map and get it done, as was done in WWII, for instance.
Better yet, maybe the people themselves ought to go after the Islamists dogs in their midst and kill them outright. I think I can see that happening.
do you really thnk it should come to that ? wipeing eveyone out ? i dont know i thought our technology was much better than that now . I could understand lose of civilian life back in nam had some good freinds there , now times are differant our military has bragged about how advanced it is and thats what i have come to expect.I know war is hell and our troops handle it the best they can . they fight a savage enemey. we take out a few civilians that cant be helped against the many executions and killings of women and children the torture that they do yeh your right but it pains me to see wonen and children caught up in this mess i dont see them haveing alot of choose

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<quoted text>do you really thnk it should come to that ? wipeing eveyone out ? i dont know i thought our technology was much better than that now . I could understand lose of civilian life back in nam had some good freinds there , now times are differant our military has bragged about how advanced it is and thats what i have come to expect.I know war is hell and our troops handle it the best they can . they fight a savage enemey. we take out a few civilians that cant be helped against the many executions and killings of women and children the torture that they do yeh your right but it pains me to see wonen and children caught up in this mess i dont see them haveing alot of choose
Even in WWII the USA bombed Germany in broad daylight to avoid hitting unintended targets while the Brits bombed at night to minimize aircraft and crew losses. I am not advocating carpet bombing Afghanistan, for instance, but it would be interesting to do a study and see under which scenario the war would be the shortest.

The women are like women anywhere. They can fight. They can go the route of Lysistrata (look it up). However, it is their MEN, the ones who under Islam basically own the women, that are the true cowards, hiding from the Islamists in their midst rather than fighting them.
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<quoted text>the fact of the matter is agree to what israel and the us and eu want or become a zoinist state pretty simple that way and if iran thinks it can count on russia to come to the rescue well we will just have to wait and see iran knows full well the game it plays it has went much to far at iran choosing for it to stop now
Just google us bases in middle east and ex ussr countries in respect to Iran, countries that have nuclear arsenal in the region, and see if you were Iranian government if you would not aim for nuclear weapon, or at least act as if you were.(à la Saddam hussein with WMD)
I'm not trying to ruffle your feathers by the way just a simple request.
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Even in WWII the USA bombed Germany in broad daylight to avoid hitting unintended targets while the Brits bombed at night to minimize aircraft and crew losses. I am not advocating carpet bombing Afghanistan, for instance, but it would be interesting to do a study and see under which scenario the war would be the shortest.
The women are like women anywhere. They can fight. They can go the route of Lysistrata (look it up). However, it is their MEN, the ones who under Islam basically own the women, that are the true cowards, hiding from the Islamists in their midst rather than fighting them.
i dont see the women have much choose in the matter yeh i can say stand up to them from where im sitting but im not in there shoe going that type of abuse and fear.what about this scenario in afghanistan i know its far fetched but here goes gives the women and cheildern a chance to leave free passage if you will, a way out then all radical islamic males that are left that want to see alla help them on there journy
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Just google us bases in middle east and ex ussr countries in respect to Iran, countries that have nuclear arsenal in the region, and see if you were Iranian government if you would not aim for nuclear weapon, or at least act as if you were.(à la Saddam hussein with WMD)
I'm not trying to ruffle your feathers by the way just a simple request.
Hey BRAINWASHED PINHEAD!! Iran is the only country since Nazi germany that actually treaten to wipe out another country (Israel) Furthermore, Israel has not confirmed that it has nuclear weapons and officially maintains that it will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East and never has. The existence of Israeli nuclear weapons is a "public secret" so how the hell do you Mr. Know-it-all have this information?? FURHTERMORE, Stop trying to portray Iran to look like a peace loving nation!! Do some thinking for a change clown!! Since the Islamic Revolution in 1979, Iran has been one of the world’s most active sponsors of terrorism. Tehran has armed, trained, financed, inspired, organized, and otherwise supported dozens of violent groups over the years. Iran has backed not only groups in its Persian Gulf neighborhood, but also terrorists and radicals in Lebanon, the Palestinian territories, Bosnia, the Philippines, and elsewhere. This support remains strong even today as Iran is tied to an array of radical groups in Iraq. Iran has publically Threatened Preemptive Strikes Against Israel and United States!! To sit there and not think for one minute that Iran would not pass on nuclear technology to terrorists, you'd have to be brain dead!!
No one can guarantee this will not happen, not even you! So do we gamble like we did Hitler and Nazi Party and presume they want to live in peace or do we wait and hope we all don't wake up someday to find terrorists using nukes supplied to them by Iran! Many countries including Pakistan and Israel have had nukes for decades and have never threatened publically the destruction of another country. The Six Day War started with threats and movement of troops to all the borders surrounding Israel!! Should Israel have waited for her destruction. NO! And neither should any other country!!
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Just google us bases in middle east and ex ussr countries in respect to Iran, countries that have nuclear arsenal in the region, and see if you were Iranian government if you would not aim for nuclear weapon, or at least act as if you were.(à la Saddam hussein with WMD)
I'm not trying to ruffle your feathers by the way just a simple request.
Stop the ignorant nonsense!! Iraq's Saddam Hussein created a far greater humanitarian nightmare than Libya. "The Butcher of Baghdad" slaughtered, at minimum, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis -- far more people than were killed in Bosnia and Kosovo, where President Clinton ordered military force for humanitarian reasons. Yet, when weapons hunters found no stockpiles of WMD in Iraq, the dwindling number of pro-war Democrats turned against the war never mind the sickening sight of thousands of Iraqis found in shallow graves.
That Saddam possessed stockpiles of WMD, having used chemical weapons on the Iranians and his own people, was not in dispute. All 16 U.S. intelligences agencies thought so "with the highest probability." France, the United Kingdom, Russia, Egypt, Jordan, China, Israel and even Saddam's own generals assumed Iraq possessed WMD. Even U.N. weapons inspector and Iraq War critic Hans Blix thought Saddam likely possessed these weapons. As Blix admitted at a 2004 University of Berkeley forum:' I'm not here to have gut feelings. But yes, in December 2002 (three months before the invasion) I thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction." The non-unilateralist Nobel Peace Prize laureate Obama, unlike Bush, sought no congressional war resolution. Obama, therefore, ordered military action against Libya "unilaterally" -- without the congressional approval that he once argued the Constitution demanded.

As Obama further explained in his December 2007 statement, "In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent." So a president, according to Obama, does not need congressional authority -- provided the action involves "self-defense" or "stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

What is the "actual or imminent threat" to America posed by Libya?
Ritter served from 1991 to 1998 as a United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq in the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), which was charged with finding and destroying all weapons of mass destruction and WMD-related manufacturing capabilities in Iraq. He was chief inspector in fourteen of the more than thirty inspection missions in which he participated.

In January 1998, his inspection team in Iraq was blocked from some weapons sites by Iraqi officials stating that information obtained from these sites would be used for future planning of attacks. UN Inspectors were ordered out of Iraq by the United States Government, shortly before Operation Desert Fox attacks began in December 1998, using information which had been gathered for the purpose of disarmament to identify targets which would reduce Iraq's ability to wage both conventional and possibly unconventional warfare. UN Weapons Inspectors were thereafter denied access to Iraq. He spoke on the Public Broadcasting Service show. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter
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ocxz wrote:
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Just google us bases in middle east and ex ussr countries in respect to Iran, countries that have nuclear arsenal in the region, and see if you were Iranian government if you would not aim for nuclear weapon, or at least act as if you were.(à la Saddam hussein with WMD)
I'm not trying to ruffle your feathers by the way just a simple request.
no problem thanks for the info seems i get corrected wich i have no problem with thats why im here .the games that these countrys are playing ,well the stakes are much to high for my comfort

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I've read about all those recent threats coming out of Iran, but as I understand it, those threats are in direct retaliation for a preemptive strike by Israel on Iranian soil, and as of now the Iranians have not committed any violation of international law, but if by any chance Israel attacks Iran it would constitute an act of war, and Iran would have the right to defend itself with all means at it's disposal.
What would happen if, let's say, the Mexican air-force crossed over into the US and bombed your peaceful nuclear facilities?
Same methods mention in the Quran you have a right to defend yourself, but not act as the aggressor.. the truth is that Iran gets provoked by Israel alot more than is mentioned

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<quoted text>Stop the ignorant nonsense!! Iraq's Saddam Hussein created a far greater humanitarian nightmare than Libya. "The Butcher of Baghdad" slaughtered, at minimum, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis -- far more people than were killed in Bosnia and Kosovo, where President Clinton ordered military force for humanitarian reasons. Yet, when weapons hunters found no stockpiles of WMD in Iraq, the dwindling number of pro-war Democrats turned against the war never mind the sickening sight of thousands of Iraqis found in shallow graves.
That Saddam possessed stockpiles of WMD, having used chemical weapons on the Iranians and his own people, was not in dispute. All 16 U.S. intelligences agencies thought so "with the highest probability." France, the United Kingdom, Russia, Egypt, Jordan, China, Israel and even Saddam's own generals assumed Iraq possessed WMD. Even U.N. weapons inspector and Iraq War critic Hans Blix thought Saddam likely possessed these weapons. As Blix admitted at a 2004 University of Berkeley forum:' I'm not here to have gut feelings. But yes, in December 2002 (three months before the invasion) I thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction." The non-unilateralist Nobel Peace Prize laureate Obama, unlike Bush, sought no congressional war resolution. Obama, therefore, ordered military action against Libya "unilaterally" -- without the congressional approval that he once argued the Constitution demanded.
As Obama further explained in his December 2007 statement, "In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent." So a president, according to Obama, does not need congressional authority -- provided the action involves "self-defense" or "stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."
What is the "actual or imminent threat" to America posed by Libya?
Ritter served from 1991 to 1998 as a United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq in the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), which was charged with finding and destroying all weapons of mass destruction and WMD-related manufacturing capabilities in Iraq. He was chief inspector in fourteen of the more than thirty inspection missions in which he participated.
In January 1998, his inspection team in Iraq was blocked from some weapons sites by Iraqi officials stating that information obtained from these sites would be used for future planning of attacks. UN Inspectors were ordered out of Iraq by the United States Government, shortly before Operation Desert Fox attacks began in December 1998, using information which had been gathered for the purpose of disarmament to identify targets which would reduce Iraq's ability to wage both conventional and possibly unconventional warfare. UN Weapons Inspectors were thereafter denied access to Iraq. He spoke on the Public Broadcasting Service show. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter
LEARN YOUR FLIPPIN' HISTORY!! THAT SMALL ISLAND YOU LIVE ON SHOULD HAVE THE INTERNET AND A LIBRARY!!
i say this post is 75% bullshit too many dont believe everything you read in newspapers.. especially after so many of the Iraqi people claim that you guys are worse than sadam.

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<quoted text>Hey BRAINWASHED PINHEAD!! Iran is the only country since Nazi germany that actually treaten to wipe out another country (Israel) Furthermore, Israel has not confirmed that it has nuclear weapons and officially maintains that it will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East and never has. The existence of Israeli nuclear weapons is a "public secret" so how the hell do you Mr. Know-it-all have this information?? FURHTERMORE, Stop trying to portray Iran to look like a peace loving nation!! Do some thinking for a change clown!! Since the Islamic Revolution in 1979, Iran has been one of the world’s most active sponsors of terrorism. Tehran has armed, trained, financed, inspired, organized, and otherwise supported dozens of violent groups over the years. Iran has backed not only groups in its Persian Gulf neighborhood, but also terrorists and radicals in Lebanon, the Palestinian territories, Bosnia, the Philippines, and elsewhere. This support remains strong even today as Iran is tied to an array of radical groups in Iraq. Iran has publically Threatened Preemptive Strikes Against Israel and United States!! To sit there and not think for one minute that Iran would not pass on nuclear technology to terrorists, you'd have to be brain dead!!
No one can guarantee this will not happen, not even you! So do we gamble like we did Hitler and Nazi Party and presume they want to live in peace or do we wait and hope we all don't wake up someday to find terrorists using nukes supplied to them by Iran! Many countries including Pakistan and Israel have had nukes for decades and have never threatened publically the destruction of another country. The Six Day War started with threats and movement of troops to all the borders surrounding Israel!! Should Israel have waited for her destruction. NO! And neither should any other country!!
How many times have you been told that Iran DID NOT threaten to destroy or wipe off the map the nation of Israel.
You're a bloody lying kipperhead and that goes for all your delusional posts.

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