Making sense of autism

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One girl had an intense desire to fill small bottles with her feces. A boy who could solve advanced calculus equations also had a penchant for tying himself to cafeteria chairs.
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SAL

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Apr 18, 2009
 
interesting-- thank goodness we have so many people working with/for autism.
hvt

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How can there be a discussion about autism and yet no mention of the highly suspected link to vaccines part in the equation?

"But nothing is a proven fix," Still the medical community treats our children like they do indeed have a fix. Just medicate them!

"Do meds improve quality of life? Maybe, maybe not." Thank you, Doc, for that profound analysis, and for taking chances with our kids. Whatta guy!

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Why cant there ever be a discussion with out vaccines not being part of it?

The medical community treats our children like they do need a fix due to some parents who are looking for that 'fix'. There was nothing in that article that I interpreted as medication being a fix, just another choice of the very many out there.

This article was about planned research, and how medications can help some people. Those medications do not treat autism, but a specific symptom that in turn then can benefit that person with autism.
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What's your input on infants being given Reglan?

Metoclopramide (Reglan)

from a forum:

http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp...

snip from a mother:

My baby girl only took these meds for a couple weeks. She was an apnic baby; her reflux would block her airway and there were pauses in her breathing. She was put on the Reglan along with the Zantac to try to stop the reflux. While taking the meds she could not even hold her head up; she slept almost all of the time; I could not keep her awake as hard as I tried and she just looked stoned. It was just really sad to see her on it. I told the doc I refused to give it to her any more.

I would NEVER give this to anyone - especially after reading up on it. I wish I had NEVER given it to my daughter. I was not warned of the side effects. She has had to have early intervention. She has had some speech delays and muscle issues - was diagnosed Dyspraxic (with Oral and Motor Apraxia/dyspraxia; problem that her brain understands everything and her muscles work, but somewhere between the signal gets crossed) She is progressing. But she has some texture/sensory issues and mood issues, and is still having some fine motor issues. She has had night terrors. Now reading about this medicine, I wonder how much it may have to do with it.

other links pretaiing to use of:

http://www.breastfeedingonline.com/reglan.sht...

http://www.tardive-dyskinesia.com/reglan/inde...

medical forum responses.

http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp...

http://hdteam.org/discus/messages/1/30.html...

http://www.medications.com/effect/view/26499

http://www.medications.com/se/reglan

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Apr 18, 2009
 
Flu vaccine comes Thimerosal-free. My kid had them. No one forces you to have a flu vaccine except in one state which now requires it to enter school, even then it's not by force, there still is choices.

Gerberding's remarks were related to the Poling case, which involved much more than simple vaccines.

youtube is pretty cool. Instead of just allowing the news coverage to flow as it was once present, there's little add-ins with messages.

As for Metoclopramide, every parent should "read up" inserts not only on RX's but over the counter as well.

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The government will always control our rights as Americans. There really is no way around it, we can say that we can say whatever we want b/c of the first ammendment but there are always ways to manipulate it. And why do people always seem to say "Autistic" children istead of Children with Autism..isn't like that saying Cancer child instead of Child living with Cancer.
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I thought recently the research linking vaccines to autism had been discredited because the guy fudged his data...

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hvt wrote:
How can there be a discussion about autism and yet no mention of the highly suspected link to vaccines part in the equation?
"But nothing is a proven fix," Still the medical community treats our children like they do indeed have a fix. Just medicate them!
"Do meds improve quality of life? Maybe, maybe not." Thank you, Doc, for that profound analysis, and for taking chances with our kids. Whatta guy!
My parents never had me vaccinated and I have both autism and dyslexia. My daughter has autism(aspergers) and we had her the MMR at 8 years old. It made no difference to her whatsoever. Apparently messles if contracted is many more time likely to cause brain damage than vaccinations. People need to wise up and deal with this fact.

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Apr 21, 2009
 
marsha wrote:
I thought recently the research linking vaccines to autism had been discredited because the guy fudged his data...
Your right, they are trying to sue him as we speak.

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Apr 21, 2009
 
jivemutha wrote:
The government will always control our rights as Americans. There really is no way around it, we can say that we can say whatever we want b/c of the first ammendment but there are always ways to manipulate it. And why do people always seem to say "Autistic" children istead of Children with Autism..isn't like that saying Cancer child instead of Child living with Cancer.
Thats an interesting and touching point.
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Skitz wrote:
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My parents never had me vaccinated and I have both autism and dyslexia. My daughter has autism(aspergers) and we had her the MMR at 8 years old. It made no difference to her whatsoever. Apparently messles if contracted is many more time likely to cause brain damage than vaccinations. People need to wise up and deal with this fact.
Hello Skitz,
I wasn't implying that "every" case of autism was/is caused by vaccines, only that there is enough evidence to warrant the existence of a link and that it should be discussed and researched further.


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Apr 22, 2009
 
hvt wrote:
How can there be a discussion about autism and yet no mention of the highly suspected link to vaccines part in the equation?
"But nothing is a proven fix," Still the medical community treats our children like they do indeed have a fix. Just medicate them!
"Do meds improve quality of life? Maybe, maybe not." Thank you, Doc, for that profound analysis, and for taking chances with our kids. Whatta guy!
My second son contracted autism after his MMR shots. I gave birth to a healthy, alert, vibrant baby. He is now 25 and his Autism, diagnosed at 2 1/2, has evolved into Aspergers, and I am grateful for that. Do I still recommend vaccines? Yes. I don't know what is going on now with 1 in 150 diagnosed, but I know it was the mercury in the shots back then.

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hvt wrote:
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Hello Skitz,
I wasn't implying that "every" case of autism was/is caused by vaccines, only that there is enough evidence to warrant the existence of a link and that it should be discussed and researched further.
No thats fine, I knew you wernt entirely suggesting that :)

However the evidence to support your claims is very shakey now and the Dr involved in the original paper released is being slated for putting this out into public with no real evidece(bar circumstancial evidence) to do so. The trouble with it is, is that messles is now again a problem in places in the uk. If you get a chance have a look at what messles is doing in afganistan for example. At the end of the day we need to choose the lesser of two evils.

To have our daught vaccinated was avery tough choice. Her school had a messles out break. This was due to less than 60% uptake of the vaccination within the school. We got very worried as Encephalities basically turns the brain to jelly causing perminant brain dammage, messles can also lead to menigitis. Two children in the school ended up in hospital one was very serious. In the end we weighed up our options and had her protected. Today I sit here with my wife wondering why we were so scared to do it in the first place. The vaccinations made no difference to her whatsoever, she didnt even get ill for a few days after. It made me feel bad we didnt protect her earlier.

Now as I said before, she is diagnosed ASD falling into aspergers. You would think that she would have been very susceptible to side effects from the MMR if it indeed causes Autism.

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No one knows if it was the Thimerosal and the more and more cases of autism after it's removal is evidence it was not the Thimerosal. The MMR vaccine never ever ever contain mercury (Thimerosal) ever. Never in the production of the MMR vaccine did any vaccine maker ever use Thimerosal in it's production.
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My second son contracted autism after his MMR shots. I gave birth to a healthy, alert, vibrant baby. He is now 25 and his Autism, diagnosed at 2 1/2, has evolved into Aspergers, and I am grateful for that. Do I still recommend vaccines? Yes. I don't know what is going on now with 1 in 150 diagnosed, but I know it was the mercury in the shots back then.
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Do you have an autistic child? If so, how old was s/he when diagnosed? I know it was the vaccine that induced the autistic spectrum which continues to affect our family, and while now banned, thank God, Thimerosal was most definitely a mercury containing preservative used in the MMR vaccine.

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Apr 24, 2009
 
No doubt wrote:
Do you have an autistic child? If so, how old was s/he when diagnosed? I know it was the vaccine that induced the autistic spectrum which continues to affect our family, and while now banned, thank God, Thimerosal was most definitely a mercury containing preservative used in the MMR vaccine.
My child was autstic from birth(as far as I know).

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Apr 24, 2009
 
No doubt wrote:
Do you have an autistic child? If so, how old was s/he when diagnosed? I know it was the vaccine that induced the autistic spectrum which continues to affect our family, and while now banned, thank God, Thimerosal was most definitely a mercury containing preservative used in the MMR vaccine.
Fillings dentists use contain more mercury. There are people(especially in the uk LOL) who live with alot of fillings.

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Research it. Thimerosal was in many vaccines, the MMR vaccine was never ever one of them. Not all vaccines even containd ot needed a preservative and not all vaccinemakers used Thimerosal as the preservative. The MMR vaccine in relation to autism is a whole other theory, which started in the UK and Thimerosal was never part of it.
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Do you have an autistic child? If so, how old was s/he when diagnosed? I know it was the vaccine that induced the autistic spectrum which continues to affect our family, and while now banned, thank God, Thimerosal was most definitely a mercury containing preservative used in the MMR vaccine.

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I personally believe the filling theory was a hype to get people to remove those and fork out for the spendier while fillings. Dentists were making a mint off this theory. There's been no true evidence fillings contribute to autism at all. My son showed signs of autism at birth, prior to ever getting any vaccines, and I had not one filling.
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Fillings dentists use contain more mercury. There are people(especially in the uk LOL) who live with alot of fillings.

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friend wrote:
I personally believe the filling theory was a hype to get people to remove those and fork out for the spendier while fillings. Dentists were making a mint off this theory. There's been no true evidence fillings contribute to autism at all. My son showed signs of autism at birth, prior to ever getting any vaccines, and I had not one filling.
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Well this is what i was saying. Many people have fillings with no problems at all. Its just another scare story.

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