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Aussie-Boy likes the term pseudoscience as a definition of non-science. Poor dopey aussie can't see that all science begins as pseudoscience, some remains pseudoscience (a hypothesis)and that the fluctuating changes of science puts it in that realm almost perpetually. Mr Science is just a loud mouth with a one track speach.
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CRedd wrote:
What is making our children so sick?
Young girls are given the Gardasil vaccine and develop seizures, strokes and partial paralysis.
Maybe this video says something worth thinking about. "The Greater Good":
www.greatergoodmovie.org
Each one of the 8,000 cases in the survey is supported by medical documentation. The purpose of the movie "The Greater Good" is to explore ways to achieve safe and effective vaccination programs.

To see the FDA's Report of Adverse Events associated with Gardasil see:

www.judicialwatch.org/gardasil
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http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/...

When Science Fails – Bully

There seems to be no end to the questionable tactics of CAM promoters. The one thing they do not have on their side is the science. Two decades ago, when they really started clamoring for legitimacy, their frequent cry was that all they wanted was a fair chance to prove that their modalities worked. They claimed that treatments like acupuncture and homeopathy were simply not studied, and once they were properly studied the world would see how effective they were.

Now, two decades and billions of research dollars later (mostly through the NCCAM) the evidence is increasingly clear – these modalities are alternative for a reason, they don’t work. Those clinical trials that are well controlled an rigorously designed demonstrate that acupuncture, homeopathy, reiki, and similar methods do not work any better than placebo. They are physiologically inert.

If proponents were intellectually honest, they would have simply admitted this and moved on. But CAM proponents use scientific evidence (to borrow an excellent metaphor) as a drunkard uses a lamppost, for support rather than illumination.

The more negative evidence comes in, the more desperately they try to distract from this fact. So they misrepresent the evidence, cherry pick the positive data, advocate for unblinded “pragmatic studies”, confuse placebo effects with specific effects of their intervention, and still maintain that “Western” science cannot penetrate their arcane modalities. It’s all smoke and mirrors, meant to deceive.
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CRedd wrote:
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Each one of the 8,000 cases in the survey is supported by medical documentation. The purpose of the movie "The Greater Good" is to explore ways to achieve safe and effective vaccination programs.
To see the FDA's Report of Adverse Events associated with Gardasil see:
www.judicialwatch.org/gardasil
The FDA and CDC are in both camps. They know vaccines maim and kill but won't support informing the public. They already see parents not vaccinating and want to maintain faith among the public. At the same time, behind the scenes they are trying to deal secretly with these maimings and killings by "SAFE" vaccines. One only has to read about the vaccine injury court cases where 83 "autistic" kids who never mentioned the "A" word got awards. Sort of a reward for helping with the coverup I guess,.
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Mark wrote:
http://theness.com/neurologica blog/index.php/when-science-fa ils-bully/
When Science Fails – Bully
There seems to be no end to the questionable tactics of CAM promoters. The one thing they do not have on their side is the science. Two decades ago, when they really started clamoring for legitimacy, their frequent cry was that all they wanted was a fair chance to prove that their modalities worked. They claimed that treatments like acupuncture and homeopathy were simply not studied, and once they were properly studied the world would see how effective they were.
Now, two decades and billions of research dollars later (mostly through the NCCAM) the evidence is increasingly clear – these modalities are alternative for a reason, they don’t work. Those clinical trials that are well controlled an rigorously designed demonstrate that acupuncture, homeopathy, reiki, and similar methods do not work any better than placebo. They are physiologically inert.
If proponents were intellectually honest, they would have simply admitted this and moved on. But CAM proponents use scientific evidence (to borrow an excellent metaphor) as a drunkard uses a lamppost, for support rather than illumination.
The more negative evidence comes in, the more desperately they try to distract from this fact. So they misrepresent the evidence, cherry pick the positive data, advocate for unblinded “pragmatic studies”, confuse placebo effects with specific effects of their intervention, and still maintain that “Western” science cannot penetrate their arcane modalities. It’s all smoke and mirrors, meant to deceive.
No thats Pharma you're describing kangaroo boy.
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In addition to the recognition that vaccines and vaccination programs cause harm, there is also the recognition that antibiotics create problems too. That's why the EU is phasing out their use in farm animal diseases and is investing 1.8 million in research in homeopathic treatment of animal diseases.

www.farminguk.com/news/EU-to-phase-out-antibi...
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Dr. Wakefield has been proven innocent of charges made against him by Brian Deer and the BMJ:

www.gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2011-11-10/bria...
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For the article on Dr. Wakefield also see:

www.elephantsandmice.wordpress.com

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Mr. Wakefield is a scammer and a fraud. He was proven guilty, never appealed and is still guilty. He even admitted to some of the fraud in interviews and recorded conferences. He did himself in with his own big bragging mouth. Nice doctor. He can no longer practice medicine in any country and certainly not in the United States where he presently resides. The only ones who think he's innocent are die hard anti vaxxers.
For all the effort spent on that has-been, washed up man, think of where that energy could be spent better.
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Dr. Wakefield has been proven innocent of charges made against him by Brian Deer and the BMJ:
www.gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2011-11-10/bria...
Looks like this website has retracted its claims as link no longer works. Yet another example of alt-med lies.

Its the ultimate irony that alt med believers support the one doctor who has actually done all the corrupt things they accuse all other doctors of doing - too much homeopathy on the brain?
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friend wrote:
Mr. Wakefield is a scammer and a fraud. He was proven guilty, never appealed and is still guilty. He even admitted to some of the fraud in interviews and recorded conferences. He did himself in with his own big bragging mouth. Nice doctor. He can no longer practice medicine in any country and certainly not in the United States where he presently resides. The only ones who think he's innocent are die hard anti vaxxers.
For all the effort spent on that has-been, washed up man, think of where that energy could be spent better.
So now its all exaggeration and lies. Sad and pathetic

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