Homeopathic remedies may not be the answer for colic

There seems to be some continued confusion about what herbal products and homeopathic remedies are. Herbal products are not homeopathic remedies. Herbal products do contain the substance of the plant.

Homeopathic remedies are potentized (diluted and succussed) to the point that most potencies contain no substance at all. Potentization makes homeopathic remedies both efficacious and safe.
Studies show homeopathic remedies are safe for infants, children, nursing mothers and pregnant women. They also show that homeopathics are not capable of creating serious drug reactions or life-threatening situations. They are approved by the FDA based on 200 years' clinical use proving them to be safe. There have been 8 complaints to the FDA that homeopathics may have created side effects. When investigated, it was found that other medications the people were taking had created the side effects.

The studies are: EECH, 2009; Reilly, et al., 2005

http://homeopathyresource.wordpress.com/2009/...

For more information on what homeopathy is, how it can be used to your and your family's benefit and to see some of the 100's of studies proving its efficacy, please see:

www.nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles-...
http://avilian.co.uk/

Please also see:

www.nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org

these You Tube videos are also very informative:

NCHomeopathy - "Just Good Medicine"

"Rap Video John Board Hollywood Survival Kit" - a delightfully done demonstration of how remedies help both physical and mental when a person experiences an injury

Homeopathicdana's video series

"Homeopathy Works for Me" series

Studies show homeopathy doesn't work because its just water (as stated by CReddulous).

CRedd is a shill for the multi-billion dollar alt-med industry. She will lie and provide links to faked medical trials to line her pockets.

CRedd wrote:

Homeopathic remedies are potentized (diluted and succussed) to the point that most potencies contain no substance at all. Potentization makes homeopathic remedies both efficacious and safe.
Studies show homeopathic remedies are safe for infants, children, nursing mothers and pregnant women. They also show that homeopathics are not capable of creating serious drug reactions or life-threatening situations. When investigated, it was found that other medications the people were taking had created the side effects.
The studies are: EECH, 2009; Reilly, et al., 2005
http://homeopathyresource.wordpress.com/2009/...
For more information on what homeopathy is, how it can be used to your and your family's benefit and to see some of the 100's of studies proving its efficacy, please see:
www.nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles-...
http://avilian.co.uk/

I was never quite sure of the double blind trials. In homeopathy, when every patient is to be treated separately how can one remedy show results for all patients and clear the trial?
The doctor I worked for explained that he now follows a new method that should explain the handling of such issues.
If you consider flu, the remedies followed for the patients are:
1. Start with Influenzinum
2. Next stage of flu will be dealt with one of the following: Rhus Tox, Eupetorium Perf. Gelsenium, Bryonia, Phytolocca etc. This is depending on the specific patient’s symptoms.
3. Change to the new method. Start with Influenzinum, and follow up with a combination of the balance remedies.
4. 100% of patients are cured. Individual symptoms not required to be studied.
This method is being used presently for some complaints and he expects to add quite a number of illnesses into similar treatment method.
It seems such combinations are being practised by many doctors and the combination of remedies used is based upon the doctor’s earlier experiences.
This method also opens the possibility of OTC remedies available in future targeted at colds, coughs, headaches, simple fevers etc. No side effects and 100% results -always.

Iqbal wrote:

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I was never quite sure of the double blind trials. In homeopathy, when every patient is to be treated separately how can one remedy show results for all patients and clear the trial?
The doctor I worked for explained that he now follows a new method that should explain the handling of such issues.
If you consider flu, the remedies followed for the patients are:
1. Start with Influenzinum
2. Next stage of flu will be dealt with one of the following: Rhus Tox, Eupetorium Perf. Gelsenium, Bryonia, Phytolocca etc. This is depending on the specific patient’s symptoms.
3. Change to the new method. Start with Influenzinum, and follow up with a combination of the balance remedies.
4. 100% of patients are cured. Individual symptoms not required to be studied.
This method is being used presently for some complaints and he expects to add quite a number of illnesses into similar treatment method.
It seems such combinations are being practised by many doctors and the combination of remedies used is based upon the doctor’s earlier experiences.
This method also opens the possibility of OTC remedies available in future targeted at colds, coughs, headaches, simple fevers etc. No side effects and 100% results -always.

Couple of things.

#1) Mixing two vials of water together still gets you just water. There is no "combining" homeopathic treatments.

Water = Water
Water + Water + Water = water

No matter how many times you add water, you still just get water.

#2) Someone comes down with a 24 hour flu. They go to a homeopath and get a cure. 24 hours later, they are fine.

Someone else comes down with a 24 hour flu. They don't go to a homeopathy and don't get a "cure". 24 hours later, they are fine.

Saying that you "cured" 100% of the flu victims isn't really saying anything unless you are COMPARING it to something OTHER THAN TIME.

That's the whole reason we do studies which COMPARE two different things.

#3) Water isn't the cure for anything other than dehydration.

Nuggin wrote:

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Couple of things.
#1) Mixing two vials of water together still gets you just water. There is no "combining" homeopathic treatments.
Water = Water
Water + Water + Water = water
No matter how many times you add water, you still just get water.
#2) Someone comes down with a 24 hour flu. They go to a homeopath and get a cure. 24 hours later, they are fine.
Someone else comes down with a 24 hour flu. They don't go to a homeopathy and don't get a "cure". 24 hours later, they are fine.
Saying that you "cured" 100% of the flu victims isn't really saying anything unless you are COMPARING it to something OTHER THAN TIME.
That's the whole reason we do studies which COMPARE two different things.
#3) Water isn't the cure for anything other than dehydration.

In my next visit to the doctor, I will check if he offers some remedy combination to cure imbeciles who understand nothing but water.

Iqbal wrote:

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I was never quite sure of the double blind trials. In homeopathy, when every patient is to be treated separately how can one remedy show results for all patients and clear the trial?
The doctor I worked for explained that he now follows a new method that should explain the handling of such issues.
If you consider flu, the remedies followed for the patients are:
1. Start with Influenzinum
2. Next stage of flu will be dealt with one of the following: Rhus Tox, Eupetorium Perf. Gelsenium, Bryonia, Phytolocca etc. This is depending on the specific patient’s symptoms.
3. Change to the new method. Start with Influenzinum, and follow up with a combination of the balance remedies.
4. 100% of patients are cured. Individual symptoms not required to be studied.
This method is being used presently for some complaints and he expects to add quite a number of illnesses into similar treatment method.
It seems such combinations are being practised by many doctors and the combination of remedies used is based upon the doctor’s earlier experiences.
This method also opens the possibility of OTC remedies available in future targeted at colds, coughs, headaches, simple fevers etc. No side effects and 100% results -always.

What a load of bovine feaces. Your homeopath has cured no one - he is a quack and a con artist and you are a gullible fool.

Iqbal wrote:

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In my next visit to the doctor, I will check if he offers some remedy combination to cure imbeciles who understand nothing but water.

If it's homeopathic, it won't work. It will just be water.

Nuggin wrote:

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If it's homeopathic, it won't work. It will just be water.

I hope that you will take this seriously, I am not a spokesperson for homeopathy. I came down with MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity), prostate trouble, and rheumatic-like symptoms about 6 yrs ago. I tried everything under the sun to regain my health. Allopathic doctors offerred me nothing but methotrexate for rheumatic, and flomax for prostate symptoms, neither of which I was willing to take unless I just couldn't go on anymore. Elimination of aggravating foods like wheat, corn, milk and soy (among others, and it's different for different people) has made the "rheumatoid" more than managable. There are even foods that aggravate my prostate like oranges and maple syrup, so naturally I avoid those. Crazy but true.

Naturopathy was no miracle but certain things did help me along to stay off the surgery table and away from prescriptions....like fermenting my own cabbage and carrots using a probiotic starter kit, grinding up my own fresh turmeric from whole root and taking fresh ginger, iodine (Iodoral tablets), "orathymus" thymus extract and rosemary tea, and oregano/thyme oil (among other things)...and of course milk thistle tea...but the herb teas you can only have a couple times a week or they end up aggravating the prostate again,... and you have to take a week off of the turmeric (or any other herb that you take for a therapeutic reason) to keep yourself sensitive to it or else it looses it's effect.

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I was having no problems staving of the rheumatoid with diet restrictions...(mind you everytime I break my diet and have, say, pizza, then my hands become so incredibly painful. I forgot to mention that tomato is my #1 enemy as far as aggravating foods go), but eventually, after five years of managing it, this past winter my prostate took a turn for the worse and I was about ready to just get it cut out. But before I did I tried one last thing......homeopathy. I was skeptical because so far in five years of 'searching and trying' I haven't found any magic bullet. It's just water right?

Chemically it's just water, but my experience with homeopathy has convinced me beyond *any* doubt that we really have an unbelievable amount to learn about matter itself which is of course the "stuff", the "something", that makes up everything we can sense, including ourselves.... we put labels on things, like "electron" or "boson" or "photon". We think we're onto something with 'atoms''molecules' and 'subatomic particles' and the rest of physics and chemistry,.... well we have "something" to work with but we may have to rethink the whole "matter" entirely.

Let me tell ya, it's not just water. Maybe there's some sort of "energy fingerprint" on the water itself, who knows, maybe the water takes on one of many possible micro structures (perhaps as many as there are personalities in the world?, you laugh?, it could very well be true) and these microstructures, if real, can't be observed in a liquid state because of course any instrument that is able to "see" that far down (like a tunneling electron microscope or Xray crystallograph) requires the "stillness" of a solid to record an image).

IMO holistic medicine can even be dangerous (just like any other "drug" that is used/misused, heck arsenic for example is natural but it can kill ya), I have overdosed a few times already during the course of the four months I've been on the homeopathicprogram now, it can really knock you on your can.....(can water do that?)...in which case you simply antidote...and yes it works...these are not coincidences, I feel the effects of the remedy sometimes within hours if I overdose and within a few days if I get it right, and I feel the effect of the antidote immediately and I mean immediately. I have discovered how real it is...many people don't get an effective remedy at first and then right away write it off as quackery...you need a good homeopath, not just a greedy "diploma mill" zealot.

It takes time to get the hang of how much to take and how to take it...not to mention finding the right remedy. Well I'm close to having the right remedy (chronic illness only takes one remedy, maybe with a second supplemental remedy, not a whole list of them as is seen in many "over the counter" or "over the internet" homeopathic remedies), I am UNMISTAKABLY and significantly improved...not cured...but at this rate I can actually hope for a cure with homeopathy..........

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For five years nothing budged my MCS, I used to have to go outside the building while they were heat-cutting my rope that I buy for my business. Well a few months after starting the program I noticed I was able to do things more freely, like drive down the busy highway without having to wear my respirator. What allopathic doctor could have done that for me? SO I decided that the next time I buy rope I'll stay with the person that is cutting. Well, I didn't notice a thing, the fumes from the melting rope didn't bother me a bit. Of course after I left I noticed they got to my head but it wore off six hours later whereas a few months ago, before the homeopathy, if I subjected myself to that I would have had to be hospitalized and the effect would have lasted easily an entire week. Sometimes just one breath of ammonia could have me in bed for an entire week feeling like I was going to die....but not anymore! I still have to avoid fumes when possible because they still bother me but they won't kill me anymore, I can use bleach once again!

Antidoting, of course, takes away some of the effects of the remedy. The trick is to maintain just the right amount of remedy without having to antidote. I'm still learning but THERE IS NO DOUBT IT IS REAL. It's the closest thing to a cure (for a lot of things) we will ever have. It's time the allopathic bastards start incorporating it, but of course I understand big money won't let that happen. There's no money in homeopathy like there is in big pharma. Allopathy has it's place, sure it saves lives. But it has it's limits, and .... it's corrupt, especially for not allowing things that work to become mainstream. I'm sure they are working day and night looking for a synthetic drug that will make MCS sufferers feel a little better...chemo anyone?

Have a nice day.

I think that even if you do not have a chronic illness, you can go to a homeopath and ask them for any true blue clinical grade/strength remedy for whatever, and if you overdose it will cause, in a healthy person, the very symptoms that it is designed to cure in a sick person. Interesting isn't it? Go get some homeopathic "water" and drink the whole bottle (ask the doctor how much a healthy person needs to drink to feel symptoms) and then see for yourself.

Sorry for the duplicate posts but I had to repost to get topix to get it right and display the posts, they sometimes hold back long posts (for review?).

They can give you a heart transplant/bypass or stitch up a severed tendon and that's great, but ask an allopathic doctor what they can do for MCS.

That is if you want a good laugh followed by a good cry.

And don't ask a homeopath what they can do for a severed tendon, they don't claim to be surgeons, but doctors claim to have unbiased knowledge about health.

A rheumatologist will almost never admit that foods can aggravate symptoms and neither will a urologist. But my urologist's assistant who is now running his own practice admits that certain herb teas can aggravate a prostate if taken too often. Good for him and his patients. That is promising. Maybe eventually this stuff will work it's way into med schools.

Pokay wrote:

<quoted text>I hope that you will take this seriously, I am not a spokesperson for homeopathy.

I will treat you seriously and with respect up until the point where you start saying things which are factually incorrect or accuse me of working for "Big Pharma".

For the record, I write Xmas movies. I don't work in Pharm, but I do know more than a little bit about homeopathy.

Elimination of aggravating foods like wheat, corn, milk and soy (among others, and it's different for different people) has made the "rheumatoid" more than managable.

Diet is often complicated and a contributing factor to a lot of problems. Sometimes its the food, other times it stuff that's on the food.

I have no problem with people suggesting dietary changes so long as they are within reason.

"Eat only grapefruit" for example, is not reasonable.

Naturopathy was no miracle but certain things did help me ...

It's important to make sure that we are using the same vocabulary for the discussion. I have found that people frequently mix and match terms within the alternative medicine movement in appropriately.

Naturopathy, as I use the term, is the use of naturally occurring plants/minerals/animal parts in various combinations for their chemicals.

My objection to naturopathy is not mechanical. Obviously these things contain chemicals and those chemicals react with the body. The pathway is clear.

My objection to naturopathy is the lack of quality and quantity control. And the oversight of many patients and doctors who don't recognize potential chemical reactions.

If you buy a bottle of one herb pill and a different bottle from a different company of the same herb pill, there's no agency checking potency. Pill A may have 40X as much active chemical as Pill B simply because of where the herb was grown.

There's also no control for purity. You could be getting 7-8 additional chemicals you don't need and are unaware of while obtaining the chemical you are specifically using the plant for.

The other problem is that a patient may be taking some herbal remedy which contains Chemical X and not even know that that chemical is there. Then their doctor asks them "are you on other medications" and they say no because it's "not medicine, it's an herbal suppliment". So the doctor prescribes Chemical Y for whatever.

The patient ends up taking both X and Y and overdoses because the two should never be taken together.

There are controls in place at pharmacies and in doctors offices to watch out for combos like that, but the herbal medicine route circumvents all of that.

But, all of these objections are about naturopathy, not homeopathy.

You ended you post with "Continued..." so let's see what's next.

Pokay wrote:

Chemically it's just water

Yes.

... but my experience with homeopathy has convinced me beyond *any* doubt that we really have an unbelievable amount to learn about matter itself which is of course the "stuff", the "something", that makes up everything we can sense, including ourselves.... we put labels on things, like "electron" or "boson" or "photon". We think we're onto something with 'atoms''molecules' and 'subatomic particles' and the rest of physics and chemistry,.... well we have "something" to work with but we may have to rethink the whole "matter" entirely.
Let me tell ya, it's not just water.

Here's the problem.

If it's not just water, then there are two options.
#1) It's magic. Meaning literally "magic", not just some technology we don't understand.
#2) It's some effect we are not aware of.

#1 is silly.
#2 has a huge problem and it's this:

Homeopaths are taking a miniscule amount of something and mixing it into water. They are then taking that water and mixing it into water. Repeat 30x.

By the 30th time, you no longer have any of the original thing. You also don't have any of the original water. In fact, you don't have any of the original water from the first 5 generations of mixing.

So, in order for homeopathy to be doing something, we have to believe that water which has been exposed to something retains that information and passes it on to any water it comes into contact with.

If that's true, then ALL WATER EVERYWHERE must have been exposed to EVERY CHEMICAL.

Think about it. If I put a drop of iodine in the ocean, that "iodine information" is going to spread to every drop of water in the ocean. Meanwhile, the same is true for every other chemicals which the ocean gets exposed to.

There's not methodology in homeopathy for removing this information. There's no time frame in which it wears off.

So all water that you drink, shower in, use to brush your teeth, cook your food, etc. It's ALL been homeopathically imbued with every single chemicals which has ever come into contact with water.

And since all water contains all informations, there's no additional information that the homeopaths can imbued onto water that wouldn't be there already.

That's the problem with having an undetectable mechanism. If you claim it works for you, you can't claim it doesn't work when you don't want it to.

...these are not coincidences, I feel the effects of the remedy sometimes within hours if I overdose and within a few days if I get it right, and I feel the effect of the antidote immediately and I mean immediately. I have discovered how real it is...

No, they are not coincidences.

These are great examples of placebo effect.

In fact, "It works immediately" is a huge placebo red flag.

Try this, find a doctor, don't give him any information other than this:
"Doc, sometimes I feel bad so I take this pill and I _immediately_ feel better. And I mean _immediately_. What's the first thing you think?"
9/10 are going to say placebo.
the last 1/10 is going to say: "Do I know you?! Why are you coming up to me with this question?!"

Pokay wrote:

Go get some homeopathic "water" and drink the whole bottle (ask the doctor how much a healthy person needs to drink to feel symptoms) and then see for yourself.

There was just a child of a celebrity who attempted suicide by taking an entire bottle of sleeping pills.

Nothing happened. They were homeopathic sleeping pills.

Many people, the Amazing Randi being perhaps the most famous, have regularly exposed homeopathy by doing exactly what you are suggesting - taking an entire bottle of "medicine".

Nothing happens.

Here's video of him doing it, in fact.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Now, if what you are doing makes you feel better and doesn't cost you an extraordinary amount of money - I say go for it.

Just like if someone wants to go to an acupuncturist because they like it. Great. It's your money. go for it.

However, it doesn't change what we know about chemistry and biology.

Pokay wrote:

They can give you a heart transplant/bypass or stitch up a severed tendon and that's great, but ask an allopathic doctor what they can do for MCS.
That is if you want a good laugh followed by a good cry.

Well, part of the problem is that at least some of the people suffering from MCS are doing so psychosymatically.

I don't know you. I've never examined you. I couldn't get whether or not you were really experiencing something or if it was coming from your head.

However, unlike a broken arm or a virus, MCS is not something which we can take a picture of or grow in a test tube.

It's not an objective illness, meaning I can't send a sample of you to two different doctors and have them both come back with a "She has 7% sensitivity". It's not measurable.

Homeopathy only seems to work on subjective illnesses. "Tiredness", "Back pain", "Grogginess", etc etc etc.

These are very often "illnesses" of perception, not illnesses of the body.

Again, for all I know, you break out in hives and your hair falls out every time you are exposed to copper.

Or, you could just feel "itchy" if you are in a building that "smells chemically".

Doctors can't help patients with perception issues.

Pokay wrote:

A rheumatologist will almost never admit that foods can aggravate symptoms and neither will a urologist.

This isn't true.

Urologists frequently recommend cranberry juice for urinary problems. Obviously if they think some foods can help a problem, they think other foods can cause a problem.

I would guess if I looked up urology tips I would see something about caffeine. Let's see....

Yup.

Patients with urge incontinence frequently report increased leakage during cold weather and sometimes related to dietary factors such as excessive fluid intake, particularly with products containing caffeine such as coffee.

Now, obviously some doctors are better than others. Same goes for plumbers.

Nuggin

We pretty much agree on naturopathy but I see you still don't believe that homeopathy is anything but a placebo. I said the *antidote* can be felt almost immediately but only under special circumstances, usually the antidote takes a few days to realize the full affect just like the remedy itself. When I get the dose right it's a very smooth transition and I start feeling better over a period of a few days; and when I overdose I usually start feeling it within ten hours and it maximizes at around three days if I don't antidote.

If it's placebo then how does my body differentiate between 'overdose' and 'just right' or 'not enough' when I believe that I am taking the correct amount and only later find out I overdosed?

Better yet, my main complaint was my prostate. That was the #1 issue I wanted help with because it was so bad I was ready to have it cut out.
I haven't gotten any significant improvement of the prostate so far....so if it was placebo...why is my prostate not improved? I'd have to say it has been slightly improved (since my prostate is still with me) but then again I can attribute that to the warmer weather of summer months now. The winter is generally when my prostate gets unbearable probably because it's an (auto-)immune function thing.

The homeopath has just given me a different supplemental remedy to try getting the prostate to improve. I'll start taking it soon and will be glad to report back to you about it.

I can't believe it's placebo because like I said I had no faith in it at first until it had an unmistakable effect. I expected it to fail. I expected it to be "just water".

When I said "it's not just water" I didn't mean that exactly figuratively. It may well be all water but there's alot about 'absolute reality' we don't know, like probably just shy of 'everything about it'.